Rip. I hope everyone cool is still here then

There isn't a crisis, though, when the corporations also have increased purchasing power with the same amount of money due to the increased value of the dollar

the political and economic system we have today is not the same, republic-capitalist society as it was

i think they made a bot that message everyone kicked

That's the 2nd centipede discord I've seen kill itself

for re entry

why does the FDA allow toxic chemicals in our foor?@Clonemaster™ 6.41 coz money = power, and so corporations use that power to infuence gov

but its the first one for cc

@Blood if you have an issue with anything in our food, I recommend writing your local congressman about it and attempting to make change instead of complaining about our political and economic system.

the FDA is a government system. What makes you think socialism wouldnt be any more fucked up as time passes than the corrupt systems we see today?

I'm sorry, but coporations being greedy doesn't oppress anybody in any way. The point of a business is to *profit*

+ people stop looking for a better job and the labor market gets stalled

unemployment

@Fusion lol you think my local congressman can stand up to billionaire corporations?

I like my gmo taters.

Of course I do

sorry, im a bit retarded with the words

With enough public pressure, anything is possible.

with pressure, you can make any solution come to be if you press hard enough

a right, thats why we are not in wars, thats why our food supply even witth common knoledge about it being shit is being changed.......@Fusion

Like trying to impeach Trump over every little thing

however if it is good or not is another thing entirely

Nothing is being done with your food to somehow manipulate the population.

@Fusion i never said that

Also, almost every nation on the planet is involved in some sort of armed conflict one way or another.

Mostly in Africa, South America, and the Middle East.

i said that corporations get to by pass health concerns, by paying off governent@Fusion

If anything, food has pesticides to keep away...uh...pests. They eat the food and we don't get it.

Better too little health concerns than too many.

Let me tell you a story about my visit to California.

@Blood and it's the responsiblity of the government to *not accept* those bribes. That's why limited government is important

go for it

Honestly, even though they were leftists, the people were pretty nice.

there are GMO's and cornsyrup which are resulting in crops producing their own poisons and crap to kill off bugs that eat them and shit

It was actually quite idyllic all things considered when we weren't discussing politics.

Then I saw a sawblade for sale in a store.

@Clonemaster™ 6.41 they dont to assume people will do the right thing in positions of power is unrealistic

You know what the sawblade said on it?

You build a stronger, more resilient ear of corn, and i'll slather it up with butter and salt. Then i'll eat it typewriter style.

"This product is known by the state of California to cause cancer."

A FUCKING SAWBLADE.

lol

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The deadly radioactive sawblade

@Blood again, that's how government is a necessary evil. That's why it *must be limited*

I shit you people not, it was there.

@Fusion was it barring anyone from buying it ?

*that is republicanism*

@fr Are you perchance familiar with a Floridian who went by the handle JYAP?

It was a deliberate attempt to falsely claim that sawblades can cause cancer.

Thereby using the claim that it causes cancer to dissuade people from ever purchasing it.

@Blood it costs the company money to print that on there or they'll@get fined.

And thus impacting the potential profit that can be made from the sale of that item.

@Clonemaster™ 6.41 right, except the problem is not gov, ITS CORPORATIONS trying to buy off the gov, with less gov, they dont have to pay off shit, they now have afree pass to do as they please lmao

cornsyrup apparently isn't processed the same as sugar, as it is very fattening

If so, then it's a severely midguided attempt.

People that buy sawblades aren't concerned with what they cause

@Aqua [FC Gazovik Damascus] no i live in sweden mate cuckistan

> impeaching trump for having 2 scwoops

@fr got you mixed up with someone, then

np

I challenge anyone in this chat to indisputably prove to me that sawblades cause cancer.

sorry m8

its k

@Extra Crispy whatever happened to plain old American sugar. smh

@Fusion lol, i agree it is silly

@futurestorms It ended up in Mexico

in Mexican Coke.

Mmm...

cornsyrup was subsidized, and eventually a number of research projects made it cheaper to produce and purchase than sugar

@Composers Please can I get Textipede and Serious User 🤠

@Fusion mexican coke is delicious. Soda in large quantities is bad.

Honestly, real sugar sodas do taste a lot better than sodas with corn syrup.

I can't distinguish specifically what it is about the taste, but it's just better.

@Extra Crispy Corn by products are in a lot of stuff. We grow so much of it.

the only reasons as to why the corporations have more say in gov't than us is because the corporate tax holds less of an influence on corporations than the income tax does on citizens, resulting in more money being available for corporations than citizens

It's like how diet sodas suck - you can't put your finger on why they taste so bad, but they just do

@Fusion I'll take a small batch cream soda with cane sugar any day.

@futurestorms imagine if corporations could put addictive chemicals that would make you want to purchase said soda and consume it in a very alarming rate, regardless of health concerns to you, you think they would not if they could? there motive after all is profit

@Blood well the the government handles the perogatives that the constitution delegates to the government, so it's only the government's responsibility to protect the rights of coporations just as any citizen's rights are protected. It's not the government's job to regulate them

the chemicals in diet sodas are known to directly cause cancer

>addictive chemicals

yes

They already have that

it's called cigarettes.

@Blood Good. Wish i thought of it. No one is holding a gun to my head saying 'drink it, NOW'

Personally think cigarettes have no purpose.

@Clonemaster™ 6.41 first of no, the constitution does not mention protecting corporations, also what kind of biases shit is, "protecting them " but not "regullationg them"

the gov't subsidized research programs that would make addictive fattening chemicals easier to produce and cheaper to purchase than regular sugar

The tobacco in them could be used for poultices instead of smoking.

Yeah, aspartame etc are disgusting.

Taste wise.

its literal cancer

Give ol' future that sweet siren song known as sucrose.

@futurestorms you think people that smoke cigs dont want to stop? do they say "hey its not like someone is holding agun to my head"

corn syrup is cheaper to purchase than sugar

there are chemicals in the cigs that make it extemely hard to quit

@Blood Don't care. You make the choice. They supply it. Supply and demand.

if we were to raise the corporate tax and lowered income tax, it would allow for citizens to as a whole earn more money than corporations do

@Blood the government simply has no role in anything to which it's not afforded by the constitution. That's the way the government is structured.

Reminder, though, that initially people made the decision to start smoking

it doesn't matter if the corporations leave or not, largely because the demands that they would fill would be open for new companies to fill

@futurestorms also what about monopolies in which a single corporations controls 80 to 90

of the product

and sugar is already addictive
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23719144

90% of television is controlled by 6 corporations

Cig smokers are literally cancer, they chose to start, they choose to not stop, and they whine and bitch every step of the way

pm me if you need roles

or mods

sugar has a different effect than cornsyrup and aspartame

much different

what choice do you have when a small group control most of the "choices"

@Blood Free market system. If i had a company and a mega conglomerate wanted to buy it, well my ship just came in!!!

who wants mod

sure

@xX NegroSaki Samurai Xx WAT?

@futurestorms right and then they can influence gov with all that money

@xX NegroSaki Samurai Xx I would like to be readded to the mod team.

@Blood Lobbying? Ok.

I also support futurestorms getting mod.

Give me mod. I want to ban loli mew

@Fusion im making sure you will never get mod again

@futurestorms yea lobbying, lol you made it sond like a good thing, but you are a right winger lmao

so i would not be surprised

Well, shucks. Thanks, @Fusion

Give extra crispy mod

@xX NegroSaki Samurai Xx Sounds like moderator bias. Something I'll have to talk with your superiors about.

He looks like he's got his priorities straight

@futurestorms soon

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now you are really never getting mod

@Blood I am indifferent. I want my piece of the pie so i can retire in 25 years.

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@futurestorms nothing wrong with that i guess

@xX NegroSaki Samurai Xx okey dokey.

the only way to destroy corporate influence on lobbying is to create the circumstances in which individuals would have more cash to lobby, a lot like the NRA and such

@Blood Hey, gotta feed my 35 ferrets.

@Extra Crispy and what if those groups develop more sinister intentions than the corps?

@Extra Crispy

increasing corporate tax to the point that they have less money to afford with lobbying would be a part of that process

The ferrets keep stealing my fidget spinners.

how about.......NO LOBBYING

lmao if the NRA started becoming a real shitty group, then the people funding it would cease to fund it

lobbying only makes what would happen illegally anyway just legal for everyone

wait but you think the nra is not an example of lobbying groups? ever heard of weapons companies?

@Extra Crispy

@Composers Read my PM, please.

the NRA is a lobbying group

Term limits.
No lobbying.
End government waste

its the most successful example of a lobbying group

@futurestorms sound good

Term limits must be enacted. Drain the fucking swamp

sounds good

@Blood So, drain the swamp. Because that's basically what that is.

yea

i agree

not to mention weapons corporations earn more from the civilian market than they ever could from the military, largely because of how we americans buy individual guns, and the military buys them cheaply in bulk

@Blood Trump said this. You are ok with that?

yes

@futurestorms

the issue with corporations again falls back to corporations having more money to lobby than citizens

@Extra Crispy i mean it just sound like such an ineficient way to deal with the problem "the solution to lobbying is.....more lobbying!" how about no lobbying?

yes

and gov is just there for the people

are you telling me that the rich wouldn't lobby anyway regardless if it were legal or not?

true

that is the problem with, money = power

are you telling me that politicians wouldn't accept those free millions of dollars to 'just do this for us?'

money represents power, and removing money would just change how that power is represented

@CaptainDynamite @Juan Rico how much longer do you think you guys will stay on

until you go to sleep

uhhh

not much longer

whats up

@Extra Crispy yea, but it would remove in theory , just anybody being able to influence gov

if you removed money, then the power would simply be the people responsible for exchanging resources

just checking

ironically money represnts capital, and by removing capital you just make the next best thing the next representative - the amount of resources you have

yea, thats why socialist movements believe the workers own the product

When they don't.

who will distribute these 'products' when there is no central group to work the logistics?

well it prevents anyone taking away their resources that they produce

What resources?

food, tools, etc

ok, i'm done for tonight. lads, keep those chins up and reach for the stars.

@xX NegroSaki Samurai Xx throw me back on mod i got rused by based brit srry bby

anything really that is essential

any product that they produce

@🚂Quatroking🚂 (🇳🇱) YAAAYYYYY!!!!!!

To use a common Soviet joke, they pretend to pay us, so we pretend to work.

lol

There are no products being produced

my point is that no matter what you try to do, there will be a requirement of organization to as you wish to, 'redistribute' these resources over a wide span of space

in effect, it will be easy to control

So glad Quatro is here!

@futurestorms me too

and if products do end up being produced, they are of drastically inferior quality to products produced in capitalist nations.

CLASSIC QUATRO!

as a consequence, it would fail, eventually until either the group realizes this, or the military (invading or otherwise) takes control

Good to see @🚂Quatroking🚂 (🇳🇱) here. I thought you were voice chat mod, though.

@Extra Crispy which is why it will be made out of regional representitives elected by the people of those regions

democratic socialism@Extra Crispy

Again, the workers *never* own the means or production or the productive assests. It's never worked out this way, and it never can. Because the workers are not supposed to be the ones managing a business like that

And if the regional elections result in non-socialists being elected?

no i deafened pef because brit rused me into believing that pef was a full on nigger so pef throw me back into gold lol

Then socialism stops existing.

otto told me the whole thing tho and i guess i agree with em,

it doesnt matter what these representatives say, when these people can literally pay themselves (they dont have to go to anyone to get these resources that they are now responsible for distributing) to do what they like, regardless of what the 'representatives' want

Does anyone have the optimus prime facepaint fail?

@Fusion well fuck it, if thats what they elected

I mean, Pef is trying to pull all the stops to prevent me from regaining the admin role I had prior to the shoahing of CC

the main reason as to why the military doesn't coup in the US is because the generals are not the ones paying their soldiers

the logitsics people in these circumstances would

@🚂Quatroking🚂 (🇳🇱) how much longer are you going to stay on discord?

@🚂Quatroking🚂 (🇳🇱) as in today

like in life or today

oh I just woke up like an hour ago

@Extra Crispy so they are gonna get more bananas then they need? thats less of an incentinve to become corrupt then money that can buy anything

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I would at the least prefer to see @🚂Quatroking🚂 (🇳🇱) back on the mod team. Never had any issues with him, either as a user or a moderator.

Was a chill guy.

probably another ten hours or so

Quatro for mod

if a group is responsible for distributing resources, they are in direct control of deciding who starves and who doesn't

@Composers you okay with giving quatro mod so he can be the janitor for the night

Read: Holodomor

^

@Extra Crispy exactly

exactly

Woah

it doesn't matter what some cucks in the middle of the field on the 4 corners of the nation demand 'democratically'

pretend cc is this server

honestly

This is basically CC 3.0

@Extra Crispy my point is what if the people that produce the goods are the ones that distribute them,

Quatro4mod @king

So

composers is dead

tbh

get him to respond

and i'll make you mod

hes in bed