@Fusion brilliant

sarcasm

Mussolini himself was a socialist before he developed the concept of fascism

Yep

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thus fascism naturally borrowed a lot from Marxism, socialism, and communism which had preceded it

were am I?

In a place where you will receive headpats :3

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I've been througn socialism. It sucks.

@// tell us your story please.

@// where from?

Russia.

Socialism - any form - also necessiates totalitarianism, so that the individual exists as a means to the ends of the state, always in the name of the common good. Collectivism and big government is prioritized over individualism and limited government

ah, youve been through a dictatorship@//

Well, when I've reached maturity it was already falling apart

Hi

Thanks Gorbachev

@Clonemaster™ 6.41 socialism does not have a standard definition, it varies depending on the country/people doing it

usually a response to capitalism failling a people

for instance in venzuela it is called " chavismo"

I don't recall there having been a socialist regime without an authoritarian/totalitarian government

It's what must be done in order for the government's centralized planning to be upheld. It's essential.

for instance in venzuela it is called " chavismo"

Gave most of you serious user and removed @Blood cuck role so if your debate ever gets memed up in main chat you can move to <#356277119862439937> 🙂

And some countries espouse socialsim but aren't willing to do what's necessary to enact it wholly.

So they're not really socialist

At least, the economy isn't

@king 😃

@Clonemaster™ 6.41 true

What *is* 'real socialism', in your view?

@// like i said there are no standard definitions, every country that tries it does it differently

but, i would say the core of it should be to remove poverty

and make shure humans can survive and have a foundation to grow from

@//

I can hear you.

All humans? Regardless of their will to contribute their abilities to society?

@// well for instance in venezuela, they were happy to work for the socialist programs, coz before the corporations were treating them like shit due to no regulations, low wages too,

@// but yea i would think that in a country like the u.s people would be to lazy

hence should not be innacted

Venezuela isn't exactly an example of a successful country.

i agree

but is an example of people sticking to their game plan and trying to make it work

and having some success

also the main obstacles of venezuela is economic warfare, and sanctions by the u.s

which cripple them

infact just this year trump gave them more sanctions

@// mainly state/government ownership of the means of production, centralized economic planning, and the redistribution of wealth by the state. And state-funded education, universal healthcare and/or welfare, guaranteed emplyoment, and since the state, by these means assumes ultimate responsibility for the well-being of the individual, every aspect of life is penetrated in order for it to happen that way. Since the state is providing you everything you need to live, the people are dependant upon the state for every aspect of their well being and this is all the leverage they need for total control over the people. This is where the totalitarian regime comes in. This is how nearly *every* socialist society has gone about.

I disagree with the concept of marxist socialism in entirety

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@Clonemaster™ 6.41 true, socialism is a perfect target for power hungry men

Big government is always involved

>using rare pepes as currency that are actually worth more than the national currencyand eating all of the zoo animals is an example of 'people sticking to their game plan and trying to make it work'

@Extra Crispy lol more propaganda

muh prograbunda XD

just liek they ate their own pets too?@Extra Crispy 😂

Are some here really doing the 'but that wasn't true socialism' thing?

that's what happens when you starve

Oh, man.

The people or citizens never really own everything as a community. It's always, *always* been the state representatives. This is how it always turns out, it doesn't work for them any other way. Because I don't know how to run a fucking business - that's why private ownership of businesses are important

@Extra Crispy how about the u.s funded right wing oposition burning down mega food distribution centers? does that make them starve?

the electricity might be free, but god forbid you drink the water or try to buy toilet paper from the stores

@king Apparently @Blood was uncucked. Would you please return him to <@&350743889667424256> status given that he is still an unabashed leftist?

can you prove that they're "u.s. funded?'

@Fusion seconded. This has gone on long enough.

yes, marco rubio was on fox last month trying to get support from the base to give them another 20 million this year, its not a hidden fact@Extra Crispy

........I mean seriously, how the fuck does *a n y o n e* advocate for socialism when it's always turned out this way???

Plan-based economy always ends up producing more or less products than needed, because no government can predict the entire way the country goes
And any of this require assuming that once human gets power, he'll use it to satisfy the values of others and not himself

and human nature doesn't work that way.

provide sources

Exactly

Reminder that if I was mod, he would be cucked, albeit still allowed to talk as he hasn't spammed the chat or tried to troll anyone

NUT REEL SOCIALISM!

It doesn't matter how you spin it

@// do you know what democratic socialism means? decentralized power

whut is this?

Democratic socialsim is still national socialsim and is thus fascism

LOL

smh

It means magic socialism with sprinkles on top rather than no sprinkles at all

💪 😤

But since so many people don't really know what the hell they're talking about they'd freak out if I said that

😂 👌

well im a white nationalist. sorry

@Blood Give me half your stuff and go work so i so i don't have to. NOW.

@Clonemaster™ 6.41 no, its just not a reality,

Because fascism has such an automatic negative association - as it should

marxist socialism does not function, because it gives priority toward welfare and dysgenic practices

democratic socialism means Vietnam

And as should socislism

@futurestorms lol thats not how it works

and we all know how Vietnam turned out

@Blood NOW.

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some socialist practices such as taxes that are not marxist are somewhat useful, and even then only to a degree

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