**Genesis 6:13 - Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition (DRA)**

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<13> He said to Noe: The end of all flesh is come before me, the earth is filled with iniquity through them, and I will destroy them with the earth. ```

Genesis 6:13 kjv

**Genesis 6:13 - King James Version (KJV)**

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<13> And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth. ```

God is hating on people

Because they are not way he wants it

Are you questioning god

Can I not?

If you doubt him then clearly you are not faithful to him in the first place

Are we not talking about the actions taking place here?

Matthew 11:1-7

**Matthew 11:1-7 - New American Bible (Revised Edition) (NABRE)**

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Chapter 11

<1> When Jesus finished giving these commands to his twelve disciples, he went away from that place to teach and to preach in their towns. <2> When John heard in prison of the works of the Messiah, he sent his disciples to him <3> with this question, "Are you the one who is to come, or should we look for another?" <4> Jesus said to them in reply, "Go and tell John what you hear and see: <5> the blind regain their sight, the lame walk, lepers are cleansed, the deaf hear, the dead are raised, and the poor have the good news proclaimed to them. <6> And blessed is the one who takes no offense at me." <7> As they were going off, Jesus began to speak to the crowds about John, "What did you go out to the desert to see? A reed swayed by the wind? ```

Matthew 11:6

**Matthew 11:6 - New American Bible (Revised Edition) (NABRE)**

```Dust


<6> And blessed is the one who takes no offense at me." ```

Matthew 11:1-7 kjv

**Matthew 11:1-7 - King James Version (KJV)**

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<1> And it came to pass, when Jesus had made an end of commanding his twelve disciples, he departed thence to teach and to preach in their cities. <2> Now when John had heard in the prison the works of Christ, he sent two of his disciples, <3> And said unto him, Art thou he that should come, or do we look for another? <4> Jesus answered and said unto them, Go and shew John again those things which ye do hear and see: <5> The blind receive their sight, and the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed, and the deaf hear, the dead are raised up, and the poor have the gospel preached to them. <6> And blessed is he, whosoever shall not be offended in me. <7> And as they departed, Jesus began to say unto the multitudes concerning John, What went ye out into the wilderness to see? A reed shaken with the wind? ```

Your constant translation into KJV is enough for me to know what type of Christian you are

Are you a Protestant or literal nondenom

That has nothing

You’re acting like you go off of sola Scriptura

To do with the flood

Matthew 11:6 kjv

**Matthew 11:6 - King James Version (KJV)**

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<6> And blessed is he, whosoever shall not be offended in me. ```

Blessed is those who do not doubt him

Kjv is a problem for you?

KJV is a heretical book

Ah

I forgot

Your’re a Catholic

Right?

Are you going off of Sola Scriptura ?

No protestants question god in such a manner that I know

I go for word for word

I never said God was wrong

You take the Bible literally ?

ehhhh

@Outboarduniform do you not?

protestant

question bible daily

made me colser to god

It is meant to be taken both literally and metaphorically

😂👏🏼 sweet deny and admit some verses

Wtf

Revelation 13:15

**Revelation 13:15 - New American Bible (Revised Edition) (NABRE)**

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<15> It was then permitted to breathe life into the beast's image, so that the beast's image could speak and <could> have anyone who did not worship it put to death. ```

Revelation 11:2-14

**Revelation 11:2-14 - New American Bible (Revised Edition) (NABRE)**

```Dust


<2> But exclude the outer court of the temple; do not measure it, for it has been handed over to the Gentiles, who will trample the holy city for forty-two months. <3> I will commission my two witnesses to prophesy for those twelve hundred and sixty days, wearing sackcloth." <4> These are the two olive trees and the two lampstands that stand before the Lord of the earth. <5> If anyone wants to harm them, fire comes out of their mouths and devours their enemies. In this way, anyone wanting to harm them is sure to be slain. <6> They have the power to close up the sky so that no rain can fall during the time of their prophesying. They also have power to turn water into blood and to afflict the earth with any plague as often as they wish. <7> When they have finished their testimony, the beast that comes up from the abyss will wage war against them and conquer them and kill them. <8> Their corpses will lie in the main street of the great city, which has```

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the symbolic names "Sodom" and "Egypt," where indeed their Lord was crucified. <9> Those from every people, tribe, tongue, and nation will gaze on their corpses for three and a half days, and they will not allow their corpses to be buried. <10> The inhabitants of the earth will gloat over them and be glad and exchange gifts because these two prophets tormented the inhabitants of the earth. <11> But after the three and a half days, a breath of life from God entered them. When they stood on their feet, great fear fell on those who saw them. <12> Then they heard a loud voice from heaven say to them, "Come up here." So they went up to heaven in a cloud as their enemies looked on. <13> At that moment there was a great earthquake, and a tenth of the city fell in ruins. Seven thousand people were killed during the earthquake; the rest were terrified and gave glory to the God of heaven. <14> The second woe has passed, but the third is coming soon. ```

This is all metaphorical

Revelation 13-15 kjv

It’s not in KJV

It was added

Ik

It got removed by Luther because it didn’t fit prot doctrine

It’s not in the Bible

Because it’s not post to be there obviously

It is in the Bible

Luther removed it

What bible

Revelations 1:5 vulgate

Let me find the code for vulgate

The one the pope only can read

Bebe

Revelation 1:5 VULGATE

**Apocalypsis 1:5 - Biblia Sacra Vulgata (VULGATE)**

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<5> et a Jesu Christo, qui est testis fidelis, primogenitus mortuorum, et princeps regum terrae, qui dilexit nos, et lavit nos a peccatis nostris in sanguine suo, ```

I love this Catholics add non biblical books

It’s biblical

Is it?

Vulgate is before Protestantism even existed

Who wrote those

John

Hm

John wrote revelations

The letters to the seven churches and all

I’m looking through all of this

Ok

What is meaning

Of those books

the catholics didn't add books to the bible

prots removed them

the deuteroncanonical books are in the Septuagint

@agag I did not ask you

I guess I win then typical catholic

I'm not a Roman Catholic

@Living The Dream 🍀 lmao imagine being a Christian and thinking revelation isn’t legitimate

They are not Christian @TradChad

The Bible is legitimate as a whole

You cannot say that any book in the Bible is illegitimate and still be a Christian

@/pol/tard Protestants manage it somehow

They remove books from the Bible as it pleases them

Revelation 22:19

**Revelation 22:19 - New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)**

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<19> if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away that person's share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book. ```

+setversion DRA

Revelation 22:19

**Revelation 22:19 - Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition (DRA)**

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<19> And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from these things that are written in this book. ```

@Outboarduniform when arguing people who don’t know Latin please use DRA it is a direct translation of the vulgate into English

@agag why do lots of Protestants think Catholics added random books to scripture

Where did this idea come from

Why do they act like they decided on the canon first and then the Catholics came and just added random books

because they weren't in the masoretic

@agag but the masoretic isn’t what Jesus used

The masoretic text is some poopy Jew text from 700 years after Jesus

I know that's why I use the deuterocanonical books

Lol every time you quote a scripture for living the dream he pulls it up in his king james version

did these guys see space jews up on the moon? is that why they were so depressed during this press conference?

what is going on here?

they are honorable men. honorable men use that body language when they are ashamed of something. hiding something. they know it is wrong morally but are following orders. all military. That doesn't explain What but it gives some context.

do you expect them to be full of energy after going to the moon and back

they're exhausted

lol

it takes more muscles to frown than to smile

<:wesmart:359946049588166657>

but really you dont expect them to be smiling and jazzed?

even if exhausted

@Cpt Pipedream Is that supposed to be an argument supporting theory that moon landing was fake lol

Cmon I hope we don't have such brainlets here

believe what you are told goyim!

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.rt.com/usa/441075-facebook-twitter-banned-accounts/amp/

@Noxar the space program was a spook to detract from secret space programs

imo they were depressed they weren't the first up

<:disgustpepe:428664686201012224> how did we land on the moon in the 60s but not cure cancer

Blame the prioritization of social progress practically putting a stop to any and all technological progress.

Can't go to Mars if your country's publicly funding gay bars.

@Living The Dream 🍀 there is a cancer cure but it would mean less money for corporations

https://www.thedailybeast.com/how-the-secret-service-foiled-an-assassination-attempt-against-trump-by-isis

https://youtu.be/B3MxFubVXG8?t=5

**The Absolute State of The UK**

@The_Don_73 why do you think it didn't happen

Okay first it there was a killing a jews, but I do deny there was no systematic order to do so, there were no gas chambers and the numbers are heavily exaggerated

yes you're a Holocaust denier I know

Another thing I would like to add it that due to me having to wake up early I’ll have to leave in about an hour

alright that's fine

So if we don’t finish we can continue tomorrow

I can respond to what you say and you can read it in the morning if it takes me too long

I would just like to clarify when you say denier what that means is all

So do you believe the entire narrative of the holocaust

Or are there something’s you don’t believe

denying the gas chambers and the systematic plan and diminishing the death toll is considered Holocaust denial

@agag you believe the Nuremburg trials were a sham, right

or was that someone else

nuremberg trials were a kangaroo court

No I’m asking what you believe

Wait

I don't think anybody defends them

no I believe in the Holocaust, incl. gas chambers, death toll, systematic order

The entire basis of the narrative of the holocaust rests upon the Nuremberg trials, ever other case uses that as a benchmark

Okay show me the order

no it really doesn't rest upon the Nuremberg trials considering the historians I've seen consider it to be a kangaroo court because of the way it was conducted

as for the order, Eichmann testifies that Heydrich told him that Hitler had ordered it

That’s hearsay

as well, Hitler was receiving detailed Einsatzgruppen reports on Einsatzgruppen activities in the east

and also received the Korherr Report

That’s inadmissible in any court of law

that Hitler ordered the holocaust is a pretty obvious conclusion when you consider that he was receiving reports on it and was also the central leader of the Reich. Do you think that his subordinates would have undertaken such a drastic measure without his permission?

Okay so the korherr report from the bit I’ve read was talking about Jewish deportations to the east

Which I don’t deny

But that begs the question

Why send them there if you’re just going to kill them

Which reports?

Nvm

korherr report for one and also the einsatzgruppen reports, there's a link to where you can read them in educational

no, you're missing the most important part of the Korherr report, which is the part where he talks about the number of Jews "passed through the camps in the General Government" and "through the camp at Warthegau."

which is in total 1,419,467

by the end of 1942 alone

Passing through the camps means transferred?

Also do you know German?

In fact there are many Jews who were transferred eastward

So that wouldn’t surprise me

@agag

"passed through the camps" is a revision Korherr was told to make.

the original word was "Sonderbehandlung"

How do they know that

Himmler ordered him to do so

https://www.ns-archiv.de/verfolgung/korherr/anweisung-himmler.php

do you speak german , @agag ?

Okay but when was this testified at

very very little, certainly not enough to read that document, but you can put it through google translate and see what's being said there

the order is to remove that word and replace it with durchgeschleust

Was this verbal or written

And who presented it

@The_Don_73 it's a captured document, the facsimile is on that website

Oh yeah

But who presented it

Soviets or allies

Did those _Einsatzgruppen_ reports specifically mention death camp activities ?

I'm not sure @The_Don_73

@Supreme Leader Kim 🧧 no, they wouldn't

Einsatzgruppen were separate operations

Einsatzgruppen were mobile killing units

@agag you are very familiar with the sources about this topic, you know what would be intersting to know? how many jewish died in the countries occupied by germany during the last year of the war. the one who fled germany, or were hiding etc. including those killed by the red army

There are no sources for that

That’s why it’s so contentious

@The_Don_73 you don't know

I’m saying no one does

@The_Don_73 you don't know if no one does

Becuase you had the evacuation of 3/4th of jews when the Germans invaded

that's why im telling that to @agag

@John Rebuttal The number killed by the Red Army would be negligible, especially since there were a large number of Jews in the Red Army at the time. The camps were also mostly evacuated before the Red Army ever reached them

You also take into consideration that fact a shit ton of Jews left German occupied Poland

and the Einsatzgruppen had been through the lands occupied by the Germans in the USSR

@The_Don_73 no offense but even if he has limited knowledge he knows more sources about that than you

Do you know how many people where in those Einsatzgruppen

@The_Don_73 the Korherr Report talks about the number Jews under German occupation in the General Government of Poland, which is 1.3 million

Surely there's a better way to prove the Holocaust. usa's argument is weak. It rests on Eichmann's testimony, the fact that Hitler was receiving Einsatzgruppen reports (which never mentions death camps) and a report saying Jews passed through camps.

do you know if any of those who died were counted as holocaust victims ?

No it says that many were transferred

@agag

Not inhabiting

I don't know if anybody's ever looked into how many Jews died while the Red Army was invading, so I wouldn't know if they're being counted as Holocaust victims

Do you know how many people where in those Einsatzgruppen? @agag

@The_Don_73 ~3000

that's why i said it would be interesting to look into reliable data about that

@agag

How many of them are combatants?

yes, it might be

not just guessing about it

@The_Don_73 that's the number of people in the four units Einsatzgruppen units

so all of them

but my last question was , if you know if people from those 1.3 million were counted as holocaust victims

@agag

oh, the 1.3 million in the General Government? That's Korherr's number for how many were residing in that territory at the time, not how many had been killed in that territory at that time. But since the vast majority of Poland's Jewish population died, most of that number would end up being counted

@Supreme Leader Kim 🧧 @The_Don_73 you both misunderstand what the Korherr Report is saying. It's not saying that these many Jews were transferred to camps or passed through them. It's a revision to the document, which originally used a word that's a German code for mass murder.

that's why Himmler ordered the word be changed

and the Einsatzgruppen reports aren't used to prove death camps, they're used to prove the Einsatzgruppen activities in the east, which killed ~1.3 million Jews

i got what you were saying. that 1,3m were not people who have been killed. but if a lot of that people who actually died wer ecounted as holocaust victims, isn't that inflating the numbers?

With 3000 people

you can read the Einsatzgruppen OSRs on that website I posted in educational

if one think about it for a second, there were so many ways those numbers could be inflated.

Einsatzgruppe A, had 990 members. If we subtract from this the 172 vehicle drivers, 3 women employees, 51 interpreters, 3 teletypewriter operators and 8 radio operators, there are about 750 combatants left to use for the mass killings

and afterwards , anyone questioning the accuracy of the numbers was labeled as anti-semitic

to 15th October 1941, Einsatzgruppe A supposedly killed 125,000 Jews. Considering the fact that the mass murders first began in August the overwhelming ma- jority of the 125,000 victims, let us say 120,000, must have been killed in a period of ten weeks.

except if they claim the numbers were higher

@John Rebuttal no, because that number isn't being used to calculate the death toll, it's just Korherr's estimation for how many Jews were in the General Government at the time. What is used from the Korherr Report is his number for how many Jews were given "special treatment" in the camps in the GG and Warthegau, which are respectively 1274166 + 145301 = 1419467

So in ten weeks 750 people killed 125,000

In addition of finding them

Capturing them

@The_Don_73 why do you think those 172 vehicle drivers and 51 interpreters weren't also combatants

and the Einsatzgruppen didn't work alone

they had Wehrmacht members helping them too

The first paragraph was quoted from Hilbergs work

Lmao

Unless he’s wrong

http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2008/10/how-many-perpetrators-in-ussr-part_04.html

some years ago before bbc went totally crazy they made a documentary about the numbers.

i may watch it again

i respect your dedication to this topic , though @agag

thanks @John Rebuttal

i mean, in that i like when people know a subject well.

It’s seems to have a lack of numbers

any subject