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What kind of money we're they making?
what income are you going to tax?
or sales or property taxes
Ignores my point about promiscuous life making people unhappier and ruining children's growing up
>Omg you so misogynist
No, it applies to both men and women @Somedudewithaname
the income of those who had jobs
With no education..
So they had lower paying jobs..
with less money for taxes///
they had few economic opportunities
so you see the issue here right?
you act as if in black communities there were no jobs. and again, this circles back to blacks not wanting to establish their own businesses but instead just work for white ones
you wouldn't be able to generate enough local tax revenue to build a school
The schools were already built
how do you establish your own business without resources
NO there we're jobs but they weren't as high paying as those aviable dor white people
also you need teachers
this is pretty week as an argument
So are you trying to imply that you need white teachers to teach
since the black ones weren't good
no you need quality teachers
No you need educated teachers.
and quality teachers require quality education
the black ones weren't educated?
There weren't enough.
not to the same extent
and not in great enough numbers
It was harder for african americans to get a degree back then.
Less teachers....worse schools...worse students..less teachers
It's a vicious cycle.
I'm saying blacks need education and that education requires resources that were unavailable to them
And techincally no they didn't, but we do have some resposbility to help alleivate a siutation we did cause
and state governments wouldn't have stepped in to help because there's no motive for them to do so
What collegee degree do you need to teach basic math in elementary school
to do it well? yes you need one
and you need training
did you forget high school?
You need a bachelors degree
Calculus was not taught in high school in segregation era
Pre alebra even.
Calculus isn’t taught in high school currently
but mathematics wasn't limited to 2+2=4
you need a degree to do the job well
@Mord the requirements for teachers didn’t change I’m pretty sure
Yeah it's common core...
I'm pretty sure we've been teaching calculus in high school for a while now
Morb t's okay if you haven't really thought this out all the way.
The highest math class was personal finance
After Algebra 2
it's an advanced class at mine too
you don't have to take it but you can if you're not dumb
I went to a bougie school then lol
and did higher level math earlier
What's common core up to?
Algebra II right?
you want to argue now?
Algebra 2 is the highest
I think everything else is by your own choice
at least in math
Holy fuck america needs to do better
None of the shit you learn in calculus helps you if you’re looking for a vocational job though
Maybe if you want to be a rocket scientist
I mean true.
BUt if your looking for a college degree it's kind of improtant.
And it's just good to know some.
Yes because graphing three equation absolute value functions will help you so much
It's just the abillity to think in certain ways you feel me?
It's not neccesary but it may have some benefical effect on the way you problem solve.
And well it's certianly not necesarry for a good or happy life, but we should at least try to give everyone the best education possible feel me my dude?
Learning life skills would be better for school tbh
I'll agree with that
l tried finding statistics on college degrees and teachers in the 20th century and couldn't find anu
im not wedded to my ideas
Instead of required Shakespeare
becuase you need a bachelors to teach
nah required literature is good imo
let's get back to what we were discussing before l was dogpiled on and the conversation shifted
well maybe you didn't anack then
and yeah lit is good for the soul
Sory about the dogpile
shared literary culture is part of shared culture in general
if you want to bring in back up that would good
don't want you to feel overwhelmed
@Somedudewithaname l disagree considering much much less of the population way back then had college degrees overall
It was mainly Shakespeare
hmm lets see
What about high school graduation rates?
I'm sure the numbers we're also even lower for african american communities
But the point you we're trying to make was??
l'm sure they were too
I'm sorry first define what kind of ethnostate you want
A shitty one
Like they all are
cause some dude i was talkingg to the other day had some weird one
like more extreme than normal
Look at what happened to Yugoslavia
Ethnostates are a joke
The point l'm trying to make is that it is ridiculous to say that teachers in the 40's and 50s were likely not required to have bachelors degrees when less than 10% of the population had them
Oaky fair enough.
But do you think they we're probably more educated than the average african american?
BA's are only part of it though
I douubt they just let anyone.
and Outboard just no
That's not how precentages work lol
what % of blacks graduated high school compared to % of whites
@Outboarduniform >third reich era Germany was shitty
>modern day Japan is shitty
>Mussolini's ltly was shitty
I appreciate citations though morb
But you do see two of those states failed right?
What makes you thinks yours will succed?
Especially in america.
They failed due to war and imperialism/colonialism.
Which is one of my few critiques of them.
you don't see any issues with there internal policies?
Also what are you adovcating for then??
An isloated ethnostate in eastern europe?
Compared to what those countries are now, not really.
What are you talking about germany and italy are doing fine
mussolini's italy wouldn't be considered an ethnostate by most people in this server, considering that Mussolini didn't pass race laws and didn't persecute Jews until Hitler's influence forced him to
Hitler's Germany looked *way* better than modern day Germany.
like in alost every way
Is that the only benefit?
Modern day japan is shitty this is a fact
Mussolini’s is the only one that worked well but they never even focused on race
@Mord I agree with you but a lot of people in here wouldn't consider a country that accepts Jews as part of their ethnic group to be ethnonationalist
plus what outboard said
how many ethnonationalists today would be better described as racial nationalists?
Mussolini’s state was literally a civnat state lmao
probably most of the ones in America at least
Ethnonationalists ruin everything
Look at Yugoslavia
Literally shows the wet dream of ethnonationalists
@Mord how great was it for German Christians? The government suppressed the ability of the RCC to speak out against it and also promoted a sect of Christianity that was a radical departure from traditional forms
Weren't theNazi's not even the majority party?
They did focus on ethnicity, one of Mussolini's famous quotes was "we do not dislike socialism because it is socialist, we dislike socialistm because it is not nationalist". And Mussolini focused heavily on bringing back the glory days of Rome.
Meaning most disagreed with them?
That quote has literally nothing to do with race nor does bringing back Rome
Nationalism and race aren't necesarrily linked
oh I thought you meant in Parliament
Rome was literally civnat as well
And rome was diverse as hell my dude
They had an african emperor
support for the regime went up and down over the years
lt was not, they did not permit filthy Africans to roam the streets and rape people
it got worse and worse as the war got worse and worse
There wasn’t a problem like that back then
So no of course they didn’t
Saint augstine was half berber....
>africans weren't raping back then
what areyou even talking about dude
Rome is the archetypal multiethnic state
I'm lost at this point
Mord is a brainlet apparently ?
Like most empires traditionally have been....
He thinks there was African rape gangs in Europe in the 30s
They weren't in Europe
They we're roman citizens
Why are you staying a modern day problem and using it to justify a state that never encountered said problem
and okay they we're in the boundaries of the roman empre
yeah there were Africans in Europe
Literally mad dog levels of stupidity
Europe as an idea wasn't even fully formed back then
not nearly as much as today but they existed
“Something happens but you won’t know it happens what do”
nah it was pretty fully formed
Type of thinking
plutarch identifed more with north africans than he did with the savage barbarians up north
they certainly had the capacity to exist since there were Africans in Europe at the time
Well it was formed to a degree but they didn't unify as much as we like to cliam now
Mostly from WW1
French Foreign Legion
Again. a major church figure during the roman empire was half sub saharan african...
@agag how many Africans were there in Europe in the early 20th century. Less than 1%?
Isn't it still that low?
sure it wasn't nearly as high today
lol yeah it's 1%
i just googled it
but you were saying the Roman Empire wasn't even civnat
rome is pretty much the definition of civnat
look at how far reaching their ability to assimilate was
l did not say Rome wasn't civnat
you said they did not permit filthy Africans to roam the streets
was that not about Rome
Rome is literally the argument against ethnostates
Also I believe he was referring to Mussolini’s Italy when he said that @agag
It’s still flawed though
l said that Mussolini sought to revive the days of the Roman empire, and to do that, a militaristic dictatorship had to be formed
No you did not
You didn't make that clear but fair enough
I don't know enough of Mussolini's italy to comment
when did you say anything about militaristic dictatorship
You just said "l did not say Rome wasn't civnat"
But what's your point?
No USA was pointing out your flaws in thinking where you said that Rome wasn’t civnat
Not even my argument
It doesn't even matter
It just wasn't an ethnostate
or even close to one.
@Mord you said "lt was not, they did not permit filthy Africans to roam the streets and rape people" after Outboard said "Rome was literally civnat as well"
I figured you were responding to him
@EzraOldenstein 1. Whatever begins to exist has a cause.
2. The universe began to exist.
3. Therefore the universe has a cause.
4. There cannot be an infinite regress of causes.
5. There cannot be a circular causation.
6. Therefore the universe was caused (either directly or indirectly) by an uncaused cause (i.e that had no beginning).
7. The uncaused cause must transcend space and time, and be sentient.
8. But to say a sentient being that transcends space and time brought the universe into existence, is to say that God exists.
9. Therefore God exists. @Somedudewithaname
lets do this in here so I can actually think and not be swarmed.
Why can't the universe have an infinte regress?
Also your advocating for a belief that breaks your own principle
if god is beyond the scope of causality, the law of causality does not always apply, so why would it apply to this universe?
Because the universe has a cause, the universe has a beginning
Also infinite regress models are floated around in physics
There isnt anything contradictory, you literally cannot read
its the expansion contraction model
Also you haven't shown infinite regress to be true.
"law of causality does not always apply"
It does not apply to god