we are talking about segregation era politics @Outboarduniform

What kind of money we're they making?

what income are you going to tax?

or sales or property taxes

Ignores my point about promiscuous life making people unhappier and ruining children's growing up

>Omg you so misogynist
No, it applies to both men and women @Somedudewithaname

the income of those who had jobs

With no education..

So they had lower paying jobs..

with less money for taxes///

they had few economic opportunities

so you see the issue here right?

low-income work

you act as if in black communities there were no jobs. and again, this circles back to blacks not wanting to establish their own businesses but instead just work for white ones

you wouldn't be able to generate enough local tax revenue to build a school

The schools were already built

how do you establish your own business without resources

NO there we're jobs but they weren't as high paying as those aviable dor white people

also you need teachers

@Mord *improve a school

quality ones

like dude

this is pretty week as an argument

So are you trying to imply that you need white teachers to teach

since the black ones weren't good

no you need quality teachers

No you need educated teachers.

and quality teachers require quality education

the black ones weren't educated?

There weren't enough.

not to the same extent

and not in great enough numbers

It was harder for african americans to get a degree back then.

So what you're saying is that blacks *need* whites @agag

Less teachers....worse schools...worse students..less teachers

It's a vicious cycle.

I'm saying blacks need education and that education requires resources that were unavailable to them

And techincally no they didn't, but we do have some resposbility to help alleivate a siutation we did cause

and state governments wouldn't have stepped in to help because there's no motive for them to do so

What collegee degree do you need to teach basic math in elementary school

to do it well? yes you need one

and you need training

did you forget high school?

Remember Calculus?

You need a bachelors degree

Calculus was not taught in high school in segregation era

Pre alebra even.

Or trig

Calculus isn’t taught in high school currently

We are talking about segregation era, brainlet @Outboarduniform

but mathematics wasn't limited to 2+2=4

even then

you need a degree to do the job well

^^^

@Mord the requirements for teachers didn’t change I’m pretty sure

@Outboarduniform it is at my school for sure

Yeah it's common core...

I'm pretty sure we've been teaching calculus in high school for a while now

Morb t's okay if you haven't really thought this out all the way.

@agag at my school it was elective

The highest math class was personal finance

After Algebra 2

it's an advanced class at mine too

you don't have to take it but you can if you're not dumb

I went to a bougie school then lol

and did higher level math earlier

What's common core up to?

Algebra II right?

@Noxar Also okay

you want to argue now?

Algebra 2 is the highest

I think everything else is by your own choice

at least in math

Holy fuck america needs to do better

I forgot

None of the shit you learn in calculus helps you if you’re looking for a vocational job though

Maybe if you want to be a rocket scientist

I mean true.

BUt if your looking for a college degree it's kind of improtant.

And it's just good to know some.

Yes because graphing three equation absolute value functions will help you so much

It's just the abillity to think in certain ways you feel me?

It's not neccesary but it may have some benefical effect on the way you problem solve.

And well it's certianly not necesarry for a good or happy life, but we should at least try to give everyone the best education possible feel me my dude?

Learning life skills would be better for school tbh

I'll agree with that

l tried finding statistics on college degrees and teachers in the 20th century and couldn't find anu

im not wedded to my ideas

Instead of required Shakespeare

becuase you need a bachelors to teach

nah required literature is good imo

let's get back to what we were discussing before l was dogpiled on and the conversation shifted

well maybe you didn't anack then

and yeah lit is good for the soul

sure

Sory about the dogpile

shared literary culture is part of shared culture in general

if you want to bring in back up that would good

don't want you to feel overwhelmed

@Somedudewithaname l disagree considering much much less of the population way back then had college degrees overall

It was mainly Shakespeare

hmm lets see

What about high school graduation rates?

I'm sure the numbers we're also even lower for african american communities

But the point you we're trying to make was??

l'm sure they were too

I'm sorry first define what kind of ethnostate you want

A shitty one

Like they all are

cause some dude i was talkingg to the other day had some weird one

like more extreme than normal

Look at what happened to Yugoslavia

Ethnostates are a joke

The point l'm trying to make is that it is ridiculous to say that teachers in the 40's and 50s were likely not required to have bachelors degrees when less than 10% of the population had them

Oaky fair enough.

But do you think they we're probably more educated than the average african american?

@Mord populations were lower back then as well

BA's are only part of it though

I douubt they just let anyone.

Also yeah

and Outboard just no

That's not how precentages work lol

what % of blacks graduated high school compared to % of whites

^^^^

@Outboarduniform >third reich era Germany was shitty
>modern day Japan is shitty
>Mussolini's ltly was shitty

I appreciate citations though morb

nice meme

But you do see two of those states failed right?

What makes you thinks yours will succed?

Especially in america.

They failed due to war and imperialism/colonialism.

Which is one of my few critiques of them.

you don't see any issues with there internal policies?

Also what are you adovcating for then??

An isloated ethnostate in eastern europe?

Compared to what those countries are now, not really.

What are you talking about germany and italy are doing fine

mussolini's italy wouldn't be considered an ethnostate by most people in this server, considering that Mussolini didn't pass race laws and didn't persecute Jews until Hitler's influence forced him to

Hitler's Germany looked *way* better than modern day Germany.

no....

to who?

@Mord hitlers germany also ruined nationalism for Europe

@agag lt was an ethnic nationalist country

like in alost every way

Is that the only benefit?

Modern day japan is shitty this is a fact

@agag for German Christians

Mussolini’s is the only one that worked well but they never even focused on race

@Mord I agree with you but a lot of people in here wouldn't consider a country that accepts Jews as part of their ethnic group to be ethnonationalist

plus what outboard said

how many ethnonationalists today would be better described as racial nationalists?

Mussolini’s state was literally a civnat state lmao

probably most of the ones in America at least

Ethnonationalists ruin everything

Look at Yugoslavia

Literally shows the wet dream of ethnonationalists

@Mord how great was it for German Christians? The government suppressed the ability of the RCC to speak out against it and also promoted a sect of Christianity that was a radical departure from traditional forms

Weren't theNazi's not even the majority party?

They did focus on ethnicity, one of Mussolini's famous quotes was "we do not dislike socialism because it is socialist, we dislike socialistm because it is not nationalist". And Mussolini focused heavily on bringing back the glory days of Rome.

Meaning most disagreed with them?

@Somedudewithaname oh yeah for sure

That quote has literally nothing to do with race nor does bringing back Rome

Nationalism and race aren't necesarrily linked

oh I thought you meant in Parliament

Rome was literally civnat as well

And rome was diverse as hell my dude

They had an african emperor

support for the regime went up and down over the years

lt was not, they did not permit filthy Africans to roam the streets and rape people

it got worse and worse as the war got worse and worse

There wasn’t a problem like that back then

So no of course they didn’t

Saint augstine was half berber....

^

>africans weren't raping back then

k

what areyou even talking about dude

Dude

Rome is the archetypal multiethnic state

I'm lost at this point

Mord is a brainlet apparently ?

Like most empires traditionally have been....

He thinks there was African rape gangs in Europe in the 30s

They weren't in Europe

They we're roman citizens

Why are you staying a modern day problem and using it to justify a state that never encountered said problem

and okay they we're in the boundaries of the roman empre

yeah there were Africans in Europe

Literally mad dog levels of stupidity

Europe as an idea wasn't even fully formed back then

not nearly as much as today but they existed

“Something happens but you won’t know it happens what do”

nah it was pretty fully formed

@agag he referred to the rape gangs

Type of thinking

plutarch identifed more with north africans than he did with the savage barbarians up north

@Mord and your answer was that "they weren't in Europe"

they certainly had the capacity to exist since there were Africans in Europe at the time

Well it was formed to a degree but they didn't unify as much as we like to cliam now

Mostly from WW1

French Foreign Legion

Again. a major church figure during the roman empire was half sub saharan african...

@agag how many Africans were there in Europe in the early 20th century. Less than 1%?

Isn't it still that low?

sure it wasn't nearly as high today

No @Somedudewithaname

lol yeah it's 1%

i just googled it

but you were saying the Roman Empire wasn't even civnat

rome is pretty much the definition of civnat

look at how far reaching their ability to assimilate was

l did not say Rome wasn't civnat

you said they did not permit filthy Africans to roam the streets

was that not about Rome

Rome is literally the argument against ethnostates

Also I believe he was referring to Mussolini’s Italy when he said that @agag

It’s still flawed though

l said that Mussolini sought to revive the days of the Roman empire, and to do that, a militaristic dictatorship had to be formed

No you did not

You didn't make that clear but fair enough

I don't know enough of Mussolini's italy to comment

???

when did you say anything about militaristic dictatorship

Jesus christ

Where in that did l say Rome was civnat @Outboarduniform

...

You just said "l did not say Rome wasn't civnat"

But what's your point?

the word civnat doesn't even appear in that @Outboarduniform

No USA was pointing out your flaws in thinking where you said that Rome wasn’t civnat

Not even my argument

It doesn't even matter

It just wasn't an ethnostate

or even close to one.

@Mord you said "lt was not, they did not permit filthy Africans to roam the streets and rape people" after Outboard said "Rome was literally civnat as well"

I figured you were responding to him

@EzraOldenstein 1. Whatever begins to exist has a cause.
2. The universe began to exist.
3. Therefore the universe has a cause.
4. There cannot be an infinite regress of causes.
5. There cannot be a circular causation.
6. Therefore the universe was caused (either directly or indirectly) by an uncaused cause (i.e that had no beginning).
7. The uncaused cause must transcend space and time, and be sentient.
8. But to say a sentient being that transcends space and time brought the universe into existence, is to say that God exists.
9. Therefore God exists. @Somedudewithaname

lets do this in here so I can actually think and not be swarmed.

Why can't the universe have an infinte regress?

Also your advocating for a belief that breaks your own principle

if god is beyond the scope of causality, the law of causality does not always apply, so why would it apply to this universe?

Because the universe has a cause, the universe has a beginning

Also infinite regress models are floated around in physics

There isnt anything contradictory, you literally cannot read

its the expansion contraction model

No...

Also you haven't shown infinite regress to be true.

"law of causality does not always apply"

It does not apply to god