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2018-09-22 05:56:46 UTC

we are talking about segregation era politics @Outboarduniform

2018-09-22 05:56:57 UTC

What kind of money we're they making?

2018-09-22 05:57:04 UTC

what income are you going to tax?

2018-09-22 05:57:09 UTC

or sales or property taxes

2018-09-22 05:57:12 UTC

Ignores my point about promiscuous life making people unhappier and ruining children's growing up

>Omg you so misogynist
No, it applies to both men and women @Somedudewithaname

2018-09-22 05:57:13 UTC

the income of those who had jobs

2018-09-22 05:57:31 UTC

With no education..

2018-09-22 05:57:36 UTC

So they had lower paying jobs..

2018-09-22 05:57:42 UTC

with less money for taxes///

2018-09-22 05:57:47 UTC

they had few economic opportunities

2018-09-22 05:57:49 UTC

so you see the issue here right?

2018-09-22 05:57:52 UTC

low-income work

2018-09-22 05:58:01 UTC

you act as if in black communities there were no jobs. and again, this circles back to blacks not wanting to establish their own businesses but instead just work for white ones

2018-09-22 05:58:06 UTC

you wouldn't be able to generate enough local tax revenue to build a school

2018-09-22 05:58:16 UTC

The schools were already built

2018-09-22 05:58:16 UTC

how do you establish your own business without resources

2018-09-22 05:58:21 UTC

NO there we're jobs but they weren't as high paying as those aviable dor white people

2018-09-22 05:58:24 UTC

also you need teachers

2018-09-22 05:58:25 UTC

@Mord *improve a school

2018-09-22 05:58:26 UTC

quality ones

2018-09-22 05:58:30 UTC

like dude

2018-09-22 05:58:36 UTC

this is pretty week as an argument

2018-09-22 05:58:52 UTC

So are you trying to imply that you need white teachers to teach

2018-09-22 05:58:59 UTC

since the black ones weren't good

2018-09-22 05:59:01 UTC

no you need quality teachers

2018-09-22 05:59:02 UTC

No you need educated teachers.

2018-09-22 05:59:07 UTC

and quality teachers require quality education

2018-09-22 05:59:11 UTC

the black ones weren't educated?

2018-09-22 05:59:17 UTC

There weren't enough.

2018-09-22 05:59:19 UTC

not to the same extent

2018-09-22 05:59:23 UTC

and not in great enough numbers

2018-09-22 05:59:29 UTC

It was harder for african americans to get a degree back then.

2018-09-22 05:59:35 UTC

So what you're saying is that blacks *need* whites @agag

2018-09-22 05:59:40 UTC

Less teachers....worse schools...worse students..less teachers

2018-09-22 05:59:45 UTC

It's a vicious cycle.

2018-09-22 05:59:53 UTC

I'm saying blacks need education and that education requires resources that were unavailable to them

2018-09-22 06:00:05 UTC

And techincally no they didn't, but we do have some resposbility to help alleivate a siutation we did cause

2018-09-22 06:00:08 UTC

and state governments wouldn't have stepped in to help because there's no motive for them to do so

2018-09-22 06:00:16 UTC

What collegee degree do you need to teach basic math in elementary school

2018-09-22 06:00:27 UTC

to do it well? yes you need one

2018-09-22 06:00:29 UTC

and you need training

2018-09-22 06:00:30 UTC

did you forget high school?

2018-09-22 06:00:37 UTC

Remember Calculus?

2018-09-22 06:00:49 UTC

You need a bachelors degree

2018-09-22 06:00:51 UTC

Calculus was not taught in high school in segregation era

2018-09-22 06:00:58 UTC

Pre alebra even.

2018-09-22 06:01:03 UTC

Or trig

2018-09-22 06:01:05 UTC

Calculus isn’t taught in high school currently

2018-09-22 06:01:06 UTC

We are talking about segregation era, brainlet @Outboarduniform

2018-09-22 06:01:07 UTC

but mathematics wasn't limited to 2+2=4

2018-09-22 06:01:10 UTC

even then

2018-09-22 06:01:17 UTC

you need a degree to do the job well

2018-09-22 06:01:22 UTC

^^^

2018-09-22 06:01:27 UTC

@Mord the requirements for teachers didn’t change I’m pretty sure

2018-09-22 06:01:33 UTC

@Outboarduniform it is at my school for sure

2018-09-22 06:01:42 UTC

Yeah it's common core...

2018-09-22 06:02:00 UTC

I'm pretty sure we've been teaching calculus in high school for a while now

2018-09-22 06:02:10 UTC

Morb t's okay if you haven't really thought this out all the way.

2018-09-22 06:02:28 UTC

@agag at my school it was elective

2018-09-22 06:02:45 UTC

The highest math class was personal finance

2018-09-22 06:02:50 UTC

After Algebra 2

2018-09-22 06:02:55 UTC

it's an advanced class at mine too

2018-09-22 06:03:03 UTC

you don't have to take it but you can if you're not dumb

2018-09-22 06:03:06 UTC

I went to a bougie school then lol

2018-09-22 06:03:10 UTC

and did higher level math earlier

2018-09-22 06:03:13 UTC

What's common core up to?

2018-09-22 06:03:21 UTC

Algebra II right?

2018-09-22 06:03:41 UTC

@Noxar Also okay

2018-09-22 06:03:45 UTC

you want to argue now?

2018-09-22 06:04:14 UTC

Algebra 2 is the highest

2018-09-22 06:04:21 UTC

I think everything else is by your own choice

2018-09-22 06:04:30 UTC

at least in math

2018-09-22 06:04:31 UTC

Holy fuck america needs to do better

2018-09-22 06:04:33 UTC

I forgot

2018-09-22 06:04:53 UTC

None of the shit you learn in calculus helps you if you’re looking for a vocational job though

2018-09-22 06:04:58 UTC

Maybe if you want to be a rocket scientist

2018-09-22 06:04:59 UTC

I mean true.

2018-09-22 06:05:11 UTC

BUt if your looking for a college degree it's kind of improtant.

2018-09-22 06:05:17 UTC

And it's just good to know some.

2018-09-22 06:06:24 UTC

Yes because graphing three equation absolute value functions will help you so much

2018-09-22 06:06:39 UTC

It's just the abillity to think in certain ways you feel me?

2018-09-22 06:06:56 UTC

It's not neccesary but it may have some benefical effect on the way you problem solve.

2018-09-22 06:07:35 UTC

And well it's certianly not necesarry for a good or happy life, but we should at least try to give everyone the best education possible feel me my dude?

2018-09-22 06:10:10 UTC

Learning life skills would be better for school tbh

2018-09-22 06:10:20 UTC

I'll agree with that

2018-09-22 06:10:22 UTC

l tried finding statistics on college degrees and teachers in the 20th century and couldn't find anu

2018-09-22 06:10:23 UTC

im not wedded to my ideas

2018-09-22 06:10:33 UTC

Instead of required Shakespeare

2018-09-22 06:10:37 UTC

becuase you need a bachelors to teach

2018-09-22 06:10:48 UTC

nah required literature is good imo

2018-09-22 06:10:49 UTC

let's get back to what we were discussing before l was dogpiled on and the conversation shifted

2018-09-22 06:10:51 UTC

well maybe you didn't anack then

2018-09-22 06:10:58 UTC

and yeah lit is good for the soul

2018-09-22 06:10:59 UTC

sure

2018-09-22 06:11:04 UTC

Sory about the dogpile

2018-09-22 06:11:07 UTC

shared literary culture is part of shared culture in general

2018-09-22 06:11:14 UTC

if you want to bring in back up that would good

2018-09-22 06:11:21 UTC

don't want you to feel overwhelmed

2018-09-22 06:11:25 UTC

@Somedudewithaname l disagree considering much much less of the population way back then had college degrees overall

2018-09-22 06:11:30 UTC

It was mainly Shakespeare

2018-09-22 06:11:35 UTC

hmm lets see

2018-09-22 06:12:00 UTC

What about high school graduation rates?

2018-09-22 06:12:04 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/486385308951379968/492941131709939732/unknown.png

2018-09-22 06:12:33 UTC

I'm sure the numbers we're also even lower for african american communities

2018-09-22 06:12:41 UTC

But the point you we're trying to make was??

2018-09-22 06:12:42 UTC

l'm sure they were too

2018-09-22 06:13:00 UTC

I'm sorry first define what kind of ethnostate you want

2018-09-22 06:13:09 UTC

A shitty one

2018-09-22 06:13:12 UTC

Like they all are

2018-09-22 06:13:12 UTC

cause some dude i was talkingg to the other day had some weird one

2018-09-22 06:13:21 UTC

like more extreme than normal

2018-09-22 06:13:23 UTC

Look at what happened to Yugoslavia

2018-09-22 06:13:28 UTC

Ethnostates are a joke

2018-09-22 06:13:40 UTC

The point l'm trying to make is that it is ridiculous to say that teachers in the 40's and 50s were likely not required to have bachelors degrees when less than 10% of the population had them

2018-09-22 06:13:50 UTC

Oaky fair enough.

2018-09-22 06:14:04 UTC

But do you think they we're probably more educated than the average african american?

2018-09-22 06:14:04 UTC

@Mord populations were lower back then as well

2018-09-22 06:14:09 UTC

BA's are only part of it though

2018-09-22 06:14:09 UTC

I douubt they just let anyone.

2018-09-22 06:14:14 UTC

Also yeah

2018-09-22 06:14:18 UTC

and Outboard just no

2018-09-22 06:14:29 UTC

That's not how precentages work lol

2018-09-22 06:14:30 UTC

what % of blacks graduated high school compared to % of whites

2018-09-22 06:14:35 UTC

^^^^

2018-09-22 06:14:44 UTC

@Outboarduniform >third reich era Germany was shitty
>modern day Japan is shitty
>Mussolini's ltly was shitty

2018-09-22 06:14:45 UTC

I appreciate citations though morb

2018-09-22 06:14:46 UTC

nice meme

2018-09-22 06:15:07 UTC

But you do see two of those states failed right?

2018-09-22 06:15:15 UTC

What makes you thinks yours will succed?

2018-09-22 06:15:20 UTC

Especially in america.

2018-09-22 06:15:32 UTC

They failed due to war and imperialism/colonialism.

2018-09-22 06:15:46 UTC

Which is one of my few critiques of them.

2018-09-22 06:16:01 UTC

you don't see any issues with there internal policies?

2018-09-22 06:16:09 UTC

Also what are you adovcating for then??

2018-09-22 06:16:18 UTC

An isloated ethnostate in eastern europe?

2018-09-22 06:16:24 UTC

Compared to what those countries are now, not really.

2018-09-22 06:16:37 UTC

What are you talking about germany and italy are doing fine

2018-09-22 06:16:37 UTC

mussolini's italy wouldn't be considered an ethnostate by most people in this server, considering that Mussolini didn't pass race laws and didn't persecute Jews until Hitler's influence forced him to

2018-09-22 06:16:50 UTC

Hitler's Germany looked *way* better than modern day Germany.

2018-09-22 06:17:08 UTC

no....

2018-09-22 06:17:11 UTC

to who?

2018-09-22 06:17:16 UTC

@Mord hitlers germany also ruined nationalism for Europe

2018-09-22 06:17:18 UTC

@agag lt was an ethnic nationalist country

2018-09-22 06:17:19 UTC

like in alost every way

2018-09-22 06:17:28 UTC

Is that the only benefit?

2018-09-22 06:17:29 UTC

Modern day japan is shitty this is a fact

2018-09-22 06:17:29 UTC

@agag for German Christians

2018-09-22 06:17:43 UTC

Mussolini’s is the only one that worked well but they never even focused on race

2018-09-22 06:17:45 UTC

@Mord I agree with you but a lot of people in here wouldn't consider a country that accepts Jews as part of their ethnic group to be ethnonationalist

2018-09-22 06:18:02 UTC

plus what outboard said

2018-09-22 06:18:14 UTC

how many ethnonationalists today would be better described as racial nationalists?

2018-09-22 06:18:15 UTC

Mussolini’s state was literally a civnat state lmao

2018-09-22 06:18:20 UTC

probably most of the ones in America at least

2018-09-22 06:18:27 UTC

Ethnonationalists ruin everything

2018-09-22 06:18:30 UTC

Look at Yugoslavia

2018-09-22 06:18:49 UTC

Literally shows the wet dream of ethnonationalists

2018-09-22 06:19:05 UTC

@Mord how great was it for German Christians? The government suppressed the ability of the RCC to speak out against it and also promoted a sect of Christianity that was a radical departure from traditional forms

2018-09-22 06:19:25 UTC

Weren't theNazi's not even the majority party?

2018-09-22 06:19:28 UTC

They did focus on ethnicity, one of Mussolini's famous quotes was "we do not dislike socialism because it is socialist, we dislike socialistm because it is not nationalist". And Mussolini focused heavily on bringing back the glory days of Rome.

2018-09-22 06:19:34 UTC

Meaning most disagreed with them?

2018-09-22 06:19:37 UTC

@Somedudewithaname oh yeah for sure

2018-09-22 06:19:48 UTC

That quote has literally nothing to do with race nor does bringing back Rome

2018-09-22 06:19:51 UTC

Nationalism and race aren't necesarrily linked

2018-09-22 06:19:52 UTC

oh I thought you meant in Parliament

2018-09-22 06:19:54 UTC

Rome was literally civnat as well

2018-09-22 06:20:00 UTC

And rome was diverse as hell my dude

2018-09-22 06:20:08 UTC

They had an african emperor

2018-09-22 06:20:13 UTC

support for the regime went up and down over the years

2018-09-22 06:20:16 UTC

lt was not, they did not permit filthy Africans to roam the streets and rape people

2018-09-22 06:20:22 UTC

it got worse and worse as the war got worse and worse

2018-09-22 06:20:25 UTC

There wasn’t a problem like that back then

2018-09-22 06:20:29 UTC

So no of course they didn’t

2018-09-22 06:20:32 UTC

Saint augstine was half berber....

2018-09-22 06:20:36 UTC

^

2018-09-22 06:20:40 UTC

>africans weren't raping back then

2018-09-22 06:20:41 UTC

k

2018-09-22 06:20:41 UTC

what areyou even talking about dude

2018-09-22 06:20:47 UTC

Dude

2018-09-22 06:20:52 UTC

Rome is the archetypal multiethnic state

2018-09-22 06:20:52 UTC

I'm lost at this point

2018-09-22 06:21:03 UTC

Mord is a brainlet apparently ?

2018-09-22 06:21:04 UTC

Like most empires traditionally have been....

2018-09-22 06:21:13 UTC

He thinks there was African rape gangs in Europe in the 30s

2018-09-22 06:21:30 UTC

They weren't in Europe

2018-09-22 06:21:40 UTC

They we're roman citizens

2018-09-22 06:21:54 UTC

Why are you staying a modern day problem and using it to justify a state that never encountered said problem

2018-09-22 06:21:56 UTC

and okay they we're in the boundaries of the roman empre

2018-09-22 06:21:59 UTC

yeah there were Africans in Europe

2018-09-22 06:22:04 UTC

Literally mad dog levels of stupidity

2018-09-22 06:22:11 UTC

Europe as an idea wasn't even fully formed back then

2018-09-22 06:22:11 UTC

not nearly as much as today but they existed

2018-09-22 06:22:13 UTC

“Something happens but you won’t know it happens what do”

2018-09-22 06:22:19 UTC

nah it was pretty fully formed

2018-09-22 06:22:19 UTC

@agag he referred to the rape gangs

2018-09-22 06:22:21 UTC

Type of thinking

2018-09-22 06:22:25 UTC

plutarch identifed more with north africans than he did with the savage barbarians up north

2018-09-22 06:22:35 UTC

@Mord and your answer was that "they weren't in Europe"

2018-09-22 06:22:47 UTC

they certainly had the capacity to exist since there were Africans in Europe at the time

2018-09-22 06:22:50 UTC

Well it was formed to a degree but they didn't unify as much as we like to cliam now

2018-09-22 06:22:57 UTC

Mostly from WW1

2018-09-22 06:23:02 UTC

French Foreign Legion

2018-09-22 06:23:13 UTC

Again. a major church figure during the roman empire was half sub saharan african...

2018-09-22 06:23:14 UTC

@agag how many Africans were there in Europe in the early 20th century. Less than 1%?

2018-09-22 06:23:24 UTC

Isn't it still that low?

2018-09-22 06:23:29 UTC

sure it wasn't nearly as high today

2018-09-22 06:23:38 UTC
2018-09-22 06:23:41 UTC

lol yeah it's 1%

2018-09-22 06:23:43 UTC

i just googled it

2018-09-22 06:23:52 UTC

but you were saying the Roman Empire wasn't even civnat

2018-09-22 06:24:00 UTC

rome is pretty much the definition of civnat

2018-09-22 06:24:07 UTC

look at how far reaching their ability to assimilate was

2018-09-22 06:24:10 UTC

l did not say Rome wasn't civnat

2018-09-22 06:24:25 UTC

you said they did not permit filthy Africans to roam the streets

2018-09-22 06:24:29 UTC

was that not about Rome

2018-09-22 06:24:33 UTC

Rome is literally the argument against ethnostates

2018-09-22 06:24:57 UTC

Also I believe he was referring to Mussolini’s Italy when he said that @agag

2018-09-22 06:25:02 UTC

It’s still flawed though

2018-09-22 06:25:03 UTC

l said that Mussolini sought to revive the days of the Roman empire, and to do that, a militaristic dictatorship had to be formed

2018-09-22 06:25:09 UTC

No you did not

2018-09-22 06:25:18 UTC

You didn't make that clear but fair enough

2018-09-22 06:25:27 UTC

I don't know enough of Mussolini's italy to comment

2018-09-22 06:25:27 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/486385308951379968/492944501753643008/image0.png

2018-09-22 06:25:29 UTC

???

2018-09-22 06:25:29 UTC

when did you say anything about militaristic dictatorship

2018-09-22 06:25:44 UTC

Jesus christ

2018-09-22 06:25:50 UTC

Where in that did l say Rome was civnat @Outboarduniform

2018-09-22 06:26:09 UTC

...

2018-09-22 06:26:12 UTC

You just said "l did not say Rome wasn't civnat"

2018-09-22 06:26:15 UTC

But what's your point?

2018-09-22 06:26:35 UTC

the word civnat doesn't even appear in that @Outboarduniform

2018-09-22 06:26:40 UTC

No USA was pointing out your flaws in thinking where you said that Rome wasn’t civnat

2018-09-22 06:26:43 UTC

Not even my argument

2018-09-22 06:26:48 UTC

It doesn't even matter

2018-09-22 06:26:53 UTC

It just wasn't an ethnostate

2018-09-22 06:26:56 UTC

or even close to one.

2018-09-22 06:29:22 UTC

@Mord you said "lt was not, they did not permit filthy Africans to roam the streets and rape people" after Outboard said "Rome was literally civnat as well"

2018-09-22 06:29:25 UTC

I figured you were responding to him

2018-09-22 06:54:20 UTC

@EzraOldenstein 1. Whatever begins to exist has a cause.
2. The universe began to exist.
3. Therefore the universe has a cause.
4. There cannot be an infinite regress of causes.
5. There cannot be a circular causation.
6. Therefore the universe was caused (either directly or indirectly) by an uncaused cause (i.e that had no beginning).
7. The uncaused cause must transcend space and time, and be sentient.
8. But to say a sentient being that transcends space and time brought the universe into existence, is to say that God exists.
9. Therefore God exists. @Somedudewithaname

2018-09-22 06:54:35 UTC

lets do this in here so I can actually think and not be swarmed.

2018-09-22 06:54:52 UTC

Why can't the universe have an infinte regress?

2018-09-22 06:55:09 UTC

Also your advocating for a belief that breaks your own principle

2018-09-22 06:55:36 UTC

if god is beyond the scope of causality, the law of causality does not always apply, so why would it apply to this universe?

2018-09-22 06:55:43 UTC

Because the universe has a cause, the universe has a beginning

2018-09-22 06:55:49 UTC

Also infinite regress models are floated around in physics

2018-09-22 06:55:55 UTC

There isnt anything contradictory, you literally cannot read

2018-09-22 06:55:58 UTC

its the expansion contraction model

2018-09-22 06:56:02 UTC

No...

2018-09-22 06:57:17 UTC

Also you haven't shown infinite regress to be true.

2018-09-22 06:59:47 UTC

"law of causality does not always apply"

2018-09-22 07:00:00 UTC

It does not apply to god

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