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Yes i have 1984 on audio book
Cultural Marxism is from collectivism
Okay well fine
Which is from modern liberalism
if we're ignore
That's untrue dude
most liberals are opposed to marx
it's why leftists always clash with the center in the democrats
And dude no one who holds these ideas calls themselve post modern marxists
Classical and modern liberals aren't the same
that was jordan peterson
Are you using "liberal" to refer to extremist-yet-non-anarchist libertarians, or the so-called "anarcho-communists"?
Neither are Neolibs
I was refering to people who hold most liberal values
wait no nvm
I was probably refering more to neoliberalism and it's predecessors
Yeah I read some of them.
Nothing to interesting honestly.
that's what people are usually referring to when they say Cultural Marxism
Yes that super famous and important school.
Who most people can't name a single member off.
I can just name Adorno and Horkheimer off the top of my head
a lot of the time it's connected to jew theories
Let's not go there please/
I can't handle it today
Don't worry we aren't natsocs
You can have problems with critical theory i get it
Who are fixated on zee jews
I got it
i got used to calling them ethnic nationalists
maybe im too nice
Tbh if zionism is destroyed then the Jewish Question would finally be solved
They would go back to just being another passive folk and the sheep-jews (lower-rankin' k1kes) would probably break free.
Ethnonationalism does not involve the ethnic cleansing that natsocs did lol
How would it not?
non-orthodox jews are going to disappear in this country anyway
It seems like the most logical conclusion
the logical solution is not to have open borders
We don't though...
ok but what would you do with the people already here
That's the issue we're mostly concerned about
As in no mass immigration
But USA is fucked with that
Idk man the USA is doing fine economically
so is most of the world
Japan is 98.7% Japanese though lmao
We have lower disease, crime, and war than ever before
It' also has it's own issues.
I'm just saying USA can't be an ethnostate at all
While Japan can
We never were...
we have diffrent ethnicity's since the beginning
and why would you even want one?
What benefit do you get?
But you could talk to Mord who does
A muttstate can't work
Over in glorious Maine (my home state), the 93.5%-ish white population is slowly being overriden by mutt post-2004 zoomers
People fear mass immigration because their culture will disappear
Which american culture?
I doubt that's going to happen
America is the borg
we assimilate like no one else
That is what they claim
everyone comes here and prays to mcdonalds
this is america
They believe that tradition connects people the most
We're a 200 year old country
our tradition has literally been we hate tradition
Assimilation of other cultures creates America
well hang on
Captialism is america honeslty
nobility was never really traditional to America
every immigrant that comes and assimilates is an American
As long as we aren't Sweden
the American Revolution didn't upheave society all that much for a while
I'm sure someone is gonna argue with us about this at some point
this is the right server
wouldn't be right without it
We have all sorts of people here
Even social conservatives lol
I never kept up with the new right wing termenology
it always hurts my head
do you mean conservative socialists
DO you really?
Social conservatives believe in the government imposing immoral society practices
Basically gov regulating tradition
Like burning the flag
I never understood why someone would want the goverment to impose tradition on them..
They would want it illegal
Yeah that's a lot of people though.
this is america we got some weird ideas.
But hate speech is free speech
So flag burning is not illegal
Neither is being politically incorrect
they'll never be able to make that illegal
I was hoping to debate on ethnostates, any takers?
there's no way to interpret the first amendment to allow banning hate speech
Go ahead, though I'm probably not going to participate, simply because I'm not very educated.
What do you mean
the US could never be an ethnostate without destroying itself, but Europe or Japan could
especially Eastern Europe
Japan is one
yeah Japan is something like 97% ethnic Japanese
You don't mean rusia do you?
the rest are Koreans mostly
and some whites
And do you think these were forcible or just becase no one moved there
I think a lot of these Eastern Euro countries that people point to as paragons of ethnonationalism and defense against Islam probably wouldn't have gotten much immigration either way
I don't know why you would go to Poland or Hungary when you can go to Germany
I have a hard time understanding any benefit in an ethno state
but since those countries are still almost entirely the ethnic group they're named after they could definitely implement policies to keep that going
Oh like yeah they could
but i wanted to debate wheter it would be benefical on a social level or even an ethical level
Whose mord get him in here
He would be happy to say why lol
I need this in my life
I enjoy pain.
imo there's nothing unethical about a nation historically built around native ethnic groups preserving that status
or unbeneficial considering that the political institutions of those countries are built around that system
Eh I guess you could make an argument it's morally neutral depending on the reasons for it
@Mord This guy wants to know what is beneficial about an ethnostate and why there should be one
Jesus christ this guy scares me already lol
He is probably asleep
Like I should be
Lets argue why god is trash
why do you think God is trash
God isnt "trash" there is nothing to argue
You being edgy and faggoty is an argument
Lol okay we should set some actual debate topics
DO you think states should be organized around religion?
Do you think god is the locus of all morality?
DO you think religion is a net benefit to society?
I was just being edgy lol but nah I want to actually debate
The last 2 questions are pretty obvious
Oh shit here we go
MOrb why is an ethno shit benefical to society?
Why do you want one?
How does it even benefit you?
You identify as a theocrat ezra
You mean why do we need ethnic nationalism?
your in no position to judge anyones opinion.
Sure lets go with that/
mord is white and autistic
i am italian and autistic
im not judging anybody
I am epic and autistic
I'm to leftist to do this shit lol
Ethnic nationalism serves as a framework for being able to have a common culture, background, and in some cases experiences. lt connects those people in a nation. People tend to naturally be collective, and ethnic nationalism grows on that.
Okay but what makes you think a common idenity needs to rest on the basis of race?
WHy couldn't some other idenity serve the same function?
Civic nationalism does not work because you will inevitably have identity politics where people will vote for policies that benefit them.
And why do we even need to value collectives?
Isn't the nature of polotics to vote in self intrest?
Unless your agianst democracy?
Because it creates a homogenous nation of one culture and one nation
Why does that matter?
Precisely, the nature of politics is to vote in self interest as well as those you share common values, culture, backgrounds, and race as you.
I can say it's possible to vote with those who share common values, but wouldn't it be of most benefit to have a sysem that allows most people into yuor collective?
THat way you have more resources pooled together?
Not necessarily, that is basically civic nationalism.
Why value nationalism over globalism?
How would immigrants from a different background support a common background
If Civic Nationalism does not work why has there not been a modern western ethnostate ? @Mord
It seems like the later would be in the best intest of all?
WE as a global collective are capable of much more than isloated nations/
Japan is like 97% Japanese
@Mord japan also has stagnant birth rates and their children are socially inept
Oh l apologize
@Somedudewithaname how would the global collective respond to the needs of individual people
I would use it as an argument against ethnostates tbh
Same way we do now.
nationstates are far better at responding to their people's needs than any global collective could
Unfortunately is that really true?
@Outboarduniform the stagnant birthrates are a new phenomenon within the last 30 years or so, last l checked.
Maybe more developed nation states but lots of countries would benefit from more global involvement
the world is also far too disunited for a global collective to adequately represent it
and that is not an argument to import people who do not share Japanese culture, values, or anything else that makes someone Japanese
Well obviously you can find change when you go back decades @Mord
and we would benefit from having stronger trading partners in currently struggling countries
Why would Japan be un able to assimilate like America?
And there is no argument calling for the importation of people into Japan
I mean we did it just fine.
@Somedudewithaname let me ask you something, and l want you to answer it honestly.
civnat doesn't work well because people with their own nationalism will experience culture shock in a different country unless they adapt
First generation immigrants will never truly integrate
Their children, however, will
Lol yes they do
where have you been?
this is what we've seen in the past
but long-term they'll assimilate
Would you find any problem with any european country to say that, for example "Poland is for Polish people", or "France is for French people". What is wrong with that
Hell Andrew Carnegie.
Ugh well I'm very mixed on this////
Well partly wat out boarding uniform says
@Somedudewithaname there are exceptions, and Scotland and America aren't all that distant culturally
There are tons of french citizens who are african
Polish and French people who have roots dated back at least 100 years @Outboarduniform
but if you look at Irish-Americans, they certainly struggled with assimilation in the beginning
the same with Italians
France has a ton of african citizens from the colonial era
who consider themselves french
and played for the french team
they think they are.
would Polish Jews who've been there longer than 100 years be Polish
@Mord what makes someone who’s family has been in Poland for 30 years any less deserving of living in Poland than the ones who have been there for 100 years
l used it as an example, l don't want to argue semantics on it
Well I don't mean to gang up on you
And if you feel overwhelmed lmk lol
I think that the example itself is flawed though
So far you've shown common identiy to be what unifies a nation
what's a French person? Before the French government essentially committed linguicide there were many different minority groups in France
but you haven't proven where race matters in all this
The point is, what is wrong with a nation wanting to keep to themselves and unite their people as one culture, ethnicity, identity, religion if any, etc..