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2018-09-21 00:02:29 UTC

let me see it

2018-09-21 00:03:05 UTC

um no

2018-09-21 00:03:08 UTC

where is this drawn from

2018-09-21 00:03:37 UTC

lol so tell me a marxist country that was capitalism on steroids

2018-09-21 00:04:15 UTC

the USSR was never capitalism on steroids

2018-09-21 00:04:16 UTC

????

2018-09-21 00:05:20 UTC

i want you to tell me how the USSR was capitalism on steroids

2018-09-21 00:05:30 UTC

or that the workers got treated even worse and that conditions were terrible

2018-09-21 00:05:39 UTC

cite the same liberal sources you hate

2018-09-21 00:05:48 UTC

im not going to refute a point if you dont prove it

2018-09-21 00:05:51 UTC

it is by nature bunk

2018-09-21 00:06:15 UTC

the claimant substantiates a claim

2018-09-21 00:06:18 UTC

i am asking you to prove your points

2018-09-21 00:06:37 UTC

and no china is not heavily capitalistic

2018-09-21 00:06:47 UTC

the only video links you have given are of jesus movies

2018-09-21 00:06:49 UTC

from 2003

2018-09-21 00:07:16 UTC

what is this supposed to be

2018-09-21 00:07:22 UTC

tell me why the USSR was capitalism on steroids

2018-09-21 00:09:33 UTC

none of these things are pointing me to the reason why the USSR was heavily capitalist

2018-09-21 00:09:36 UTC

in fact i can tell you why it wasnt

2018-09-21 00:10:36 UTC

http://laissez-fairerepublic.com/tenplanks.html <---- this is completely unsourced

but onto a real point

2018-09-21 00:10:43 UTC

how can a 5 year plan in a ML country be

2018-09-21 00:10:44 UTC

capitalist

2018-09-21 00:12:02 UTC

how are five-year plans done by ML states considered capitalism

2018-09-21 00:12:18 UTC

no one cares about the 25 points

2018-09-21 00:12:22 UTC

almost none of them were fulfilled

2018-09-21 00:14:06 UTC

so you are capitulating from any actual information on the wellbeing of soviet citizens and the results of their *pyatiletkas* being so terrible

2018-09-21 00:14:31 UTC

you do not argue

2018-09-21 00:19:35 UTC

http://laissez-fairerepublic.com/tenplanks.html this is not a criticism against marxism

2018-09-21 00:19:46 UTC

no sources whatsoever and manipulating a system to fit a talking point

2018-09-21 00:23:44 UTC

its just like using this

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/486385308951379968/492491082400006164/1532721875718.jpg

2018-09-21 00:26:35 UTC

9 and 6 were completely retarded

2018-09-21 00:26:50 UTC

9 did not apply to Röhm and the SA during the night of the long knives

2018-09-21 00:27:05 UTC

For number 6, who determines who has “fitness and capability” ?

2018-09-21 00:40:23 UTC

What a joke lmao

2018-09-21 00:41:57 UTC

@Outboarduniform why does he not argue

2018-09-21 00:42:17 UTC

Inability to comprehend his own position and therefore unable to defend it, probably

2018-09-21 00:42:30 UTC

He just copy pasted the 25 points for his entire argument lol

2018-09-21 01:16:12 UTC

do you realize that 1776 and NatSoc are completely incompatible ideologies

2018-09-21 01:16:46 UTC

you put them side by side very frequently but they're completely different

2018-09-21 01:18:11 UTC

also Marxism is capitalism on steroids lmao

2018-09-21 01:18:31 UTC

that's one of the coldest takes I've ever seen

2018-09-21 01:21:07 UTC

@agag why do these people waste my time

2018-09-21 01:21:15 UTC

why are you so terrible at mathematics @agag

2018-09-21 01:21:53 UTC

How is he terrible at math @PebbЛe

2018-09-21 01:21:57 UTC

what

2018-09-21 01:22:05 UTC

why are you so bad at math @agag

2018-09-21 01:22:51 UTC

why do you ask

2018-09-21 01:26:00 UTC

why are you so bad @agag

2018-09-21 01:26:14 UTC

at math

2018-09-21 01:28:44 UTC

I'm not

2018-09-21 01:31:41 UTC

@Chilliam Ace are you a female

2018-09-21 01:32:51 UTC

only the female mind could claim polemical attributions to their effeminate unsourced ramblings

2018-09-21 01:38:16 UTC

you linked wikipedia and an unsourced attempt to link Marx's work to the US and ran away from any attempt at debating the "capitalist nature" of the USSR and pyatiletkas clearly being not capitalist

2018-09-21 01:38:46 UTC

and when i called you out on that you copy pasted your own words that didnt even have to do with the USSR that you spoke about vaguely a few minutes prior

2018-09-21 01:38:48 UTC
2018-09-21 01:44:55 UTC

you link a wiki on Marxist-Leninism

2018-09-21 01:45:05 UTC

@Chilliam Ace no context or direct primary sourcing to back any claim

2018-09-21 01:45:20 UTC

yeah and you don't think me being a marxist-leninist

2018-09-21 01:45:36 UTC

who has already posted documents about the marxist-leninist state of the USSR not being capitalist

2018-09-21 01:45:39 UTC

would know about marxist-leninism

2018-09-21 01:46:09 UTC

it wasnt an argument because: `you linked wikipedia and an unsourced attempt to link Marx's work to the US and ran away from any attempt at debating the "capitalist nature" of the USSR and pyatiletkas clearly being not capitalist
and when i called you out on that you copy pasted your own words that didnt even have to do with the USSR that you spoke about vaguely a few minutes prior`

2018-09-21 01:46:21 UTC

you said marxism is capitalism on steroids

2018-09-21 01:46:33 UTC

you cannot change this to mean anything

2018-09-21 01:46:48 UTC

youre not even talking about your original point again

2018-09-21 01:46:55 UTC

you cannot stay on topic

2018-09-21 01:47:02 UTC

you run out of straws to grab

2018-09-21 01:47:11 UTC

what the fuck is a civic socialism

2018-09-21 01:47:14 UTC

you dont even know what socialism is

2018-09-21 01:47:33 UTC

i am waiting for you to tell me why marxism is capitalism on steroids

2018-09-21 01:47:56 UTC

capitalist plutocracy

2018-09-21 01:48:10 UTC

capitalist plutocracy

2018-09-21 01:48:12 UTC

kleptocracy

2018-09-21 01:48:38 UTC

a corporatocracy is not anything near socialism

2018-09-21 01:49:07 UTC

tell me why it is socialism

2018-09-21 01:49:19 UTC

tell the socialist why bailing out private enterprises that entertwine themself with the state

2018-09-21 01:49:21 UTC

is socialist

2018-09-21 01:49:53 UTC

and on top of that tell me why marxism is capitalism on steroids

2018-09-21 01:50:00 UTC

you did not tell me why

2018-09-21 01:50:06 UTC

you are evading

2018-09-21 01:50:08 UTC

do it now

2018-09-21 01:50:11 UTC

ultimatum

2018-09-21 01:50:25 UTC

tell me what socialism is

2018-09-21 01:50:56 UTC

do not change the argument

2018-09-21 01:51:14 UTC

tell me why bailing out private enterprise is socialism and why marxism is capitalism on steroids

2018-09-21 01:51:25 UTC

tell me why bailing out private enterprise is socialism and why marxism is capitalism on steroids

2018-09-21 01:52:09 UTC

Was Pinochet a socialist when he bailed out the banks in 1981 when he departed from free floating exchange rates? @Chilliam Ace

2018-09-21 01:52:42 UTC
2018-09-21 01:52:53 UTC

@agag this aint it chief

2018-09-21 02:06:19 UTC

@PebbЛe so, to be part in a religion, must we all know a thorough understanding in the theology behind it?

2018-09-21 02:06:28 UTC

or, to be a follower

2018-09-21 02:06:57 UTC

why would you consider yourself a Christian if you become a Prot and not understand the point of reformation from the RCC

2018-09-21 02:07:37 UTC

if we understand the Bible, and at least to find some meaning in what we believe, why question it, if others already have

2018-09-21 02:09:09 UTC

because why would you seek to find some meaning and be infallible from ostracization as an individual when the universal structure of teachings has been transmitted through instruction and consecration since Christ himself

2018-09-21 02:09:37 UTC

why would you consider yourself a Christian if you ignore the entire structure of Christianity

2018-09-21 02:09:41 UTC

and read some dusty parchments

2018-09-21 02:10:45 UTC

because, we assume that the people who do go into theology and attempt to understand the entire background of a religion will do it for you? are those people, then, the only true followers of a religion?

2018-09-21 02:13:25 UTC

@LiT potato and do you see that happening in prot churches?

2018-09-21 02:13:44 UTC

what do you mean

2018-09-21 02:13:54 UTC

when the basis of the apostolic church is `people who do go into theology and attempt to understand the entire background of a religion...for you`

2018-09-21 02:14:06 UTC

and prot churches dont have any teaching of tradition or history

2018-09-21 02:14:21 UTC

they are decentralized bible clubs

2018-09-21 02:14:31 UTC

are you saying that we aren’t influenced enough by the people who do study it then?

2018-09-21 02:14:51 UTC

I guess that is a major flaw in current protestantism

2018-09-21 02:15:16 UTC

the idea is that prot churches dont teach anything relating to Christianity but feelsgoodman tier reconciliation with their daily sins out of the bible

2018-09-21 02:15:52 UTC

If we assume that this is truly what protestantism is, why would we need to defend

2018-09-21 02:16:02 UTC

it if our lives are based around it

2018-09-21 02:16:13 UTC

oh wait

2018-09-21 02:16:15 UTC

i did a dumb

2018-09-21 02:17:23 UTC

its apostolic Church that Jesus started and has history and tradition stemming for 2k years or decentralized prot churches that rhizomatically extend and break canon and continually fracture the meaning of Christianity

2018-09-21 02:18:27 UTC

so are you saying that to keep our minds and thoughts unified, we must all delve into the history and tradition of what Jesus intended the church to become?

2018-09-21 02:18:40 UTC

and question when our branches lead us off that path

2018-09-21 02:19:13 UTC

The church should belong to the central body that succeeded Christ and the apostles as intended

2018-09-21 02:19:37 UTC

so the early church that Peter “began”

2018-09-21 02:20:15 UTC

the Church that Peter held primacy over and that the apostles consecrated their successors for

2018-09-21 02:20:20 UTC

what we have now is only because we did delve deeper, to seek more meaning in that tradition, that history, that we were left with

2018-09-21 02:20:27 UTC

No the early church that Christ began when he established it with peter at its head

2018-09-21 02:20:44 UTC

which Peter spread

2018-09-21 03:43:10 UTC

@Chilliam Ace bailing out the banks is not Socialism

2018-09-21 03:43:17 UTC

we had to do it to prevent the entire system from falling apart

2018-09-21 03:46:34 UTC

@agag notice how he doesn't know anything

2018-09-21 04:04:28 UTC

Socialism would be nationalizing the banks

2018-09-21 04:09:05 UTC

muh government do thing? that socailsm

2018-09-21 04:09:19 UTC

carl marks said government to do thing

2018-09-21 04:46:00 UTC

@PebbЛe why is he gone

2018-09-21 04:46:11 UTC

why never respond

2018-09-21 04:52:10 UTC

he might have gone to sleep at 10pm like a normal person

2018-09-21 04:54:02 UTC

he was in voice earlier man I saw him in there

2018-09-21 11:24:56 UTC

@Chilliam Ace was pinochet a socialist

2018-09-21 11:25:04 UTC

he bailed out the banks in '81

2018-09-22 03:51:52 UTC

I'm most likely wrong about this, but Sigmund Freud's work mostly depicted the minds of sluts as well as soyboy-manwhores, while also advocating for the conversion of EVERYBODY into a masturbation-addicted mindless soywhore/dykeslut.

2018-09-22 04:04:58 UTC

You mean his stages of life?

2018-09-22 04:05:23 UTC

Where one related to a specific part of the body

2018-09-22 04:05:37 UTC

Oral stage, phallic stage,etc.

2018-09-22 04:06:09 UTC

Not just that, I'm talking about EVERY piece of his work relating to how, according to him, the entire human brain is driven purely by the desire for sexual pleasure, which INCLUDES his "Stages Of Life" idea.

2018-09-22 04:06:34 UTC

And people's mothers

2018-09-22 04:07:32 UTC

He had quite the fixation on people's mothers being the reason for their psychological development

2018-09-22 04:07:57 UTC

He really liked some motherfuckers, that's for sure.

2018-09-22 04:08:31 UTC

Back on topic, it's fucking sick.

2018-09-22 04:08:43 UTC

Well he was right about the oedipus complex

2018-09-22 04:09:29 UTC

Yes, but of all the things to name them, why would he make them all pertain to sexual acts?

2018-09-22 04:09:40 UTC

Especially if it has to do with CHILDREN DEVELOPING?

2018-09-22 04:11:02 UTC

He saw the body as a pretty damn important part of psychology and the idea of cognition wasn't really prevalent at his time.

2018-09-22 04:11:48 UTC

He was physical with his ideas instead of metaphysical like the idea of cognition today

2018-09-22 04:12:48 UTC

That's understandable, but why wouldn't he name them as `Consumption`, `Expulsion`, and `Desire`?

2018-09-22 04:13:32 UTC

The oral stage was consumption basically

2018-09-22 04:13:45 UTC

That's what I meant.

2018-09-22 04:14:24 UTC

It makes no sense to give a deeply sexual name to non-sexual events unless you explicitly have a fetish for those events.

2018-09-22 04:14:36 UTC

Again he identified consumption with insatiability as a child

2018-09-22 04:14:53 UTC

Not that it's correct

2018-09-22 04:15:00 UTC

But it is what he thought

2018-09-22 04:15:58 UTC

About the sexual parts I would have to dig up my memory

2018-09-22 04:16:14 UTC

I think the phallic stage was penis envy

2018-09-22 04:17:20 UTC

Wasn't there not just penis *envy*, but also penis *aggression* and penis *compensation*?

2018-09-22 04:18:09 UTC

(I haven't studied Freud as hard as I probably should've before making these statements. I'm assuming phallic aggression is sexual frustration and/or the desire to rape and that phallic compensation is self-explanatory.)

2018-09-22 04:18:44 UTC

He used penis envy to describe woman's behavior

2018-09-22 04:18:54 UTC

I don't think he was a pervert though

2018-09-22 04:19:52 UTC

Just by the title, the idea of "penis envy" seems like a very accurate description of the main principle behind female homosexuality as well as bullshit such as "female-to-male transgenderism".

2018-09-22 04:20:00 UTC

And phallic aggression is about puberty yes

2018-09-22 04:20:52 UTC

Where the desire to reproduce comes into mind which makes you feel weird at first

2018-09-22 04:21:22 UTC

causing frustration

2018-09-22 04:22:00 UTC

Would it be bad if the beginning of puberty in a developing male DIDN'T involve being confused shitless?

2018-09-22 04:22:25 UTC

I think he said that it causes you to be confused shitless

2018-09-22 04:22:42 UTC

Because you have yet to adapt to it

2018-09-22 04:23:07 UTC

Like the first time you start getting erections

2018-09-22 04:24:01 UTC

Mhm, so does that mean, according to Freud, not experiencing angst in your early teen years means you failed to go through puberty? Is it problematic if somebody *didn't* experience disturbance upon achieving their first erection?

2018-09-22 04:24:25 UTC

Probably how he would interpret that

2018-09-22 04:24:41 UTC

That was his style

2018-09-22 04:24:51 UTC

To say because of x stage

2018-09-22 04:25:55 UTC

He is called the father of psychology because of his observations with patients and relating it to a specific cause which modern psychologists do today but with a better understanding

2018-09-22 04:26:34 UTC

I already knew that. The reason I started this discussion was because I was suspecting Freud was a diddler. (or at least a closeted diddler)

2018-09-22 04:26:39 UTC

In other words his views are a stepping stone

2018-09-22 04:27:08 UTC

Well being a surgeon doesn't mean you like cutting people up lol

2018-09-22 04:27:59 UTC

he did out of research not pleasure is what I am saying

2018-09-22 04:28:15 UTC

That makes sense, yet I still can't wrap my head around why he couldn't come up with ANY names for the early-life urges of consumption, expulsion & excitement that didn't involve cocks at all.

2018-09-22 04:28:37 UTC

Well there were biblical words for that

2018-09-22 04:29:06 UTC

But that was not the point of his studies

2018-09-22 04:29:06 UTC

Are we having a debate about if freud was a pedophile?

2018-09-22 04:29:14 UTC

Yes, yes we are.

2018-09-22 04:29:17 UTC

lol

2018-09-22 04:29:25 UTC

Geez that's a question

2018-09-22 04:29:40 UTC

Probs but he did found modern psychology

2018-09-22 04:30:10 UTC

Then the neofreudians came around

2018-09-22 04:30:38 UTC

Which shifted to behavioral theory I think?

2018-09-22 04:31:24 UTC

Probably.

2018-09-22 04:31:49 UTC

oh yea conditioning

2018-09-22 04:32:11 UTC

Classical and operant conditioning were behaviorism

2018-09-22 04:32:54 UTC

Which was tested with animals

2018-09-22 04:33:04 UTC

I thought it was Skinner who started behaviorism wasn't it?

2018-09-22 04:33:24 UTC

Was he a neofreudian?

2018-09-22 04:35:53 UTC

Turns out he wasn't one

2018-09-22 04:36:25 UTC

He came up with the conditioning theory

2018-09-22 04:37:02 UTC

Watson came up with behaviorism

2018-09-22 04:38:03 UTC

Sorry to shift topics quickly, however, the previous points lead me to yet another disturbing corner of psuedoscience-in-the-name-of-promoting-degeneracy:

John Money. The bizarre man that castrated a kid and made him get fucked by his sibling (while both kids were toddlers) just to prove gender wasn't aligned with sex.

2018-09-22 04:38:55 UTC

How the fuck did he manage to go from predator-with-a-god-complex to being rated highly credible by most of Academia?

2018-09-22 04:39:19 UTC

Was that before ethics were a thing

2018-09-22 04:39:33 UTC

Sounds awfully extreme

2018-09-22 04:39:47 UTC

Born in 1921

2018-09-22 04:39:59 UTC

Tranny book published in 1969

2018-09-22 04:40:08 UTC

Gender was a made up term in the 50s I think

2018-09-22 04:40:17 UTC

the David Reimer stuff is still very controversial

2018-09-22 04:40:50 UTC

Really? I could've sworn it's cited almost everywhere by trannies and cis-allies

2018-09-22 04:41:34 UTC

Oh it was a made up term in the 50s to identify with "one's self"

2018-09-22 04:42:25 UTC

NO it's not.

2018-09-22 04:42:37 UTC

Most transgenders don't site MOney.

2018-09-22 04:42:52 UTC

They'd site judith butler or Serano and the brain chemistry differences in transgenders

2018-09-22 04:42:59 UTC

which is pretty hard to argue agianst

2018-09-22 04:43:06 UTC

It is a false distinction between one's identity and biological sex though

2018-09-22 04:43:24 UTC

Dressing as a girl doesn't make you a girl

2018-09-22 04:43:35 UTC

No but having the brain chemistry of a female might.

2018-09-22 04:43:51 UTC

I doubt that is the main drive

2018-09-22 04:44:02 UTC

Grey vs black matter precentanges in a transgender persons brain are aligned with the sex they idenitfy with

2018-09-22 04:44:15 UTC

so whether or to what extent gender is a social construct isn't really the issue

2018-09-22 04:44:42 UTC

But yeah MOney was a monster

2018-09-22 04:44:48 UTC

No arguments from me on that

2018-09-22 04:45:13 UTC

Well then the conclusion is that it's a biochemical problem

2018-09-22 04:45:41 UTC

Or a social problem depending how you look at it.

2018-09-22 04:45:48 UTC

@Shitford no even transgender advocates don't like him

2018-09-22 04:45:56 UTC

It's the problem of which came first the chicken or the egg?

2018-09-22 04:46:09 UTC

Damn, I must've been living under such a fuckin rock.

2018-09-22 04:46:13 UTC

Social problem is an understatement to political correctness today

2018-09-22 04:46:18 UTC

It's rather unanswerable unless you can make studies without any societal influences.

2018-09-22 04:46:21 UTC

Geez not this lol

2018-09-22 04:46:34 UTC

Sorry when someone says pc i check out no matter who says it

2018-09-22 04:46:51 UTC

Fine cultural Marxism

2018-09-22 04:47:06 UTC

Again no idea what that means.

2018-09-22 04:47:12 UTC

that's even worse

2018-09-22 04:47:24 UTC

Just take Marxism and apply it to everything, not just economics @Somedudewithaname
That's cultural marx

2018-09-22 04:47:26 UTC

It's better than postmodern neo-marxist

2018-09-22 04:47:42 UTC

No one does that though....

2018-09-22 04:47:52 UTC

marxism is a complex economic critique

2018-09-22 04:48:02 UTC

pebble would probably have some choice words to say about people calling something Cultural Marxism

2018-09-22 04:48:05 UTC

It really does focus on class conflict based around economics

2018-09-22 04:48:28 UTC

Yet again, pay attention to the tenet of `Opressed VS Opressor`. Apply it to EVERYTHING, not just the poor & rich.

2018-09-22 04:48:45 UTC

What is inherently marxist about that?

2018-09-22 04:48:46 UTC

Cultural Marxism is a branch of western Marxism, different from the Marxism-Leninism of the old Soviet Union. It is commonly known as “multiculturalism” or, less formally, Political Correctness.

2018-09-22 04:48:58 UTC

That's more hegelian dielectic than anything else

2018-09-22 04:49:05 UTC

forgive my spelling i could not be bothered to care lol

2018-09-22 04:49:15 UTC

I don't

2018-09-22 04:49:17 UTC

okay?

2018-09-22 04:49:20 UTC

I mean I guess.

2018-09-22 04:49:33 UTC

If we just mean marxism to mean anything that talks about opression.

2018-09-22 04:50:05 UTC

It becomes Cultural-Marxism when you have nogs and spics revolting against whites while claiming that the property of whites was rightfully owned by minorities and was taken by whites.

2018-09-22 04:50:22 UTC

In other words multiculturalism

2018-09-22 04:50:25 UTC

Without revolutions, it's just regular postmodernistic intersectionality.

2018-09-22 04:50:40 UTC

Intersectionallity is not post modern

2018-09-22 04:50:54 UTC

post modernism rejects all the categories intersectionallity tries to define

2018-09-22 04:51:03 UTC

marxism, interesctionality, are modernist ideas

2018-09-22 04:51:10 UTC

Ever heard of doublethink?

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