same idea applies here

heres my sources

http://www.pnas.org/content/94/9/4516.full

http://jhered.oxfordjournals.org/content/92/5/398.long

I love my race more, even *if* they were incompetent

which they are not

You could just love humanity

no

and all sentient species

why

there is no such thing anyways

and not worry about this

why

we are separate sub species

should i love pedophiles

because we could accomplish more as a group

humanism is idiotic

theyre snetient

races compete

and fight

people will always fight

Again species are arbitary distinctiond

no they cannot

we accomplish more focusing on ourselves

why base species on certain genetic clusters instead of others?

Species is arbitrary

and excluding foreigners

Why judge race on skin instead of hair color?

Coyotes and dogs can produce fertile offspring but are different species

species is arbitrary

because it's a useful proxy for figuring out race

Sub speices is arbitary

Species is arbitrary

look into it

Especially with humans

you can figure out someone's race by looking at them 98% of the time

there's no definition

most genetic drift takes time

besides with misegenation it wont matter at all

it's a useful estimator to just look at that specific phenotype

And with bio enhancements

plus

and you can infer a heuristic from that which gives you information about them

Idk you guys just seem sad and scared to me

there are dozens of different species that can produce fertile offspring, "species" is an arbitrary term

I'm not scared at all

I consider you people weak and ineffectual and ultimately wrong and irrelevant

You must hate miscegenation right?

why should we abandon ingroup preference, the dominant evolutionary strategy, in favor of "loving all sentient species"

I do, but it's not *that*big of an issue considering white people do it less than any other race

Vril, I think your wrong, but i think you still mater/

you have no argument for why I'm wrong

Matters to whom

And you deserve some human rights/

why am I wrong?

I do.

Whether or not something matters is dependent on your point of view

Your base supposition is wrong.

@Somedudewithaname you do not dictate my rights, I dictate yours

vril doesn't matter to me and neither do you, I would unironically shoot you both if the ends justified the means

LOve you guys though

I think you both need jesus and some therapy.

and I should hope others would do the same to me

Jesus was alright with slavery lol

Try meditation it boosts mood.

just saying

I do meditate

every day actually

ALso loved samaritans but that's a different issue

and slavery was different back then

so you forfeit the debate?

but beyond the point

I dpn

don't

you just quit when you couldn't prove why I am wrong

I think your wrong on a base level

prove to me why base supposition that all live is valuable is false.

he's acknowledging that we have different base values and ending the argument

you're just paraphrasing your starting point, please elaborate and form an argument

this is fine

we can't prove your feelings wrong

what you care about is entirely up to you

And I can't prove yours.

That's where we're at.

he's saying he disagrees with our axiomatic assumptions I guess

well this is why we have to destroy you people

there is no reconciling our differences

your ideology seeks to destroy mine

and vice versa

people with different base values don't tend to get along great

And this is why Im gonna love you till you forget about all this dark stuff

lol that's why you'll get rekt in the long run

the same is true of different races, who have different values unto their own

Idk man, I think more people agree with me than you.

you would not do well in a traditional muslim nation for example

argumentum ad populum

Like it or not you guys are still a minoirty.

also you don't need the acceptance of the common people to enact policy

And populations that share my values are increasing.

congress enacts plenty of extremely unpopular laws

Well we're arguing on base axioms now

I'm nor afraid of you

you're committing a fallacy

Or anything you can do to me

I know i am

If you want to just let the strongest faction win, we can do that, and you will just be admitting to us that power is what makes you right

Vril you may actually be evil if there is agod.

I'm trying to help you guys.

frankly I don't really care what non players think, your masters on the other hand it matters

I don't want to see you all in jail or some shit.

lol you playing the globo homo christianity route

DUde lts be real

the law enforcement system can't arrest over 30 million people

lol

Vril what do you do for a lving?

liing

living

you do realize like 20% of white Americans agree with me on most issues right?

Lets compare who has more power in a cultural sense.

and that number is going to increase

Not alot.

as they become minorities

Maybe not.

Socialist groups are growing.

as a liberal you have literally no political power in the USA

and even less as a socialist

And minority populations are increasing.

For now.

quality over quantity

also argumentum ad populum

BUt vril

we can enact our policies without your consent

or the consent of millions

SUre.

they wont fight

they are content with taking it in the ass from the cia and nsa without making a peep

BUt do you have no moral qualism with that?

who's to say they will do anything to a new order

I can't speak for vril, but I believe that the USA will collapse onto itself in the relatively near future

none at all

my positions would benefit everyone in America

even non whites

So you don't beleive in morality at all?

I do

Vril you see why I struggle debating you?

my positions are moral

so you can take your poorly trained, effete "socialist" groups made up of coffee liberals and deal with the fallout when the power goes out in NYC

I wish for the best for my people, but I also don't mind doing good for other racesx

Your talking about eugenics and a white ethnostate and saying its moral

as long as it doesn't hurt my own

why is it not moral?

you are not making an argument

you are just stating that it's not moral

It will invaraibly harm other races in your process for an ethnostate

no it wont

good

nobody wants to gas the other races

from the pure base level of moral as defined as pleasure

I hope it does

and bad defined as suffering

as I said we will incrementally change the system

NOrmie does.

that's the basis of your ideology btw

at first we will just subsidize high birth rate policy for whites

that suffering is the only evil

then later segregation will become natural

and those things that cause suffering are bad

non whites can be given land or be paid to leave

we don't have to kill or hurt anyone

You have no qualms with segregation?

none at all

Do you think that policy will work?

you are the type that would pull as many people into a lifeboat as possible despite the fact that it will sink as a result of your actions

in fact segregation will prevent a genocide

That people will not be harmed in that process?

because whites will genocide non whites if we don't segregate imo

^

as we become minorities the conflict racially will increase

my solution is actually preventing genocide

yours is causing it

Why is everything so cataclysimic with you people?

Give me evidence a genocide is going to happen

it's not cataclysmic, this would be a social degradation over many years

like im honestly laughing

Okay if in 2500

but it would be like South Africa by the end of it

BUt you really think race will shape society more than technological innovations?

I want some of what your smoking honestly.

depends on where we go with the agi route

I think ai is an extreme threat

Why all this concern about race and not the robots and AI raking over?

Taking

and we need authoritarianism to stop it

asap

Lol I'm dying.

Woyldn't Ai in tecnicality be the master race?

if you don't consider ai a threat you are an imbecile

AI is a non threat

oh i Do.

I think AI can be handled responsbility but we need to deal with it in a more serious way

no it can't

I think bio and techno ethics is really important

scientists who advocate for ai development should be shot

the threat of AI presupposes that an AI would have similar motivations and behaviors to humans, which is ridiculous if you actually look at how AI works

AI has no reason to do anything

It's not AI taking over

there is no responsible way of creating ai

it's AI making humans irrelevant

the only reason humans get out of bed and do anything is evolutionary imperatives

beyond our control

the urge to reproduce, eat etc

it wouldn't make us irrelevant, because the human voyage is towards theosis

But why do you think races can't mix?

AI has none of this

ai would just be really intelligent

but it would not necessarily be wise or spiritually inclined

it doesn't have the base motivations that humans do, and thus has no logical reason to do anything, ever

Why are you not an antinatalist then?

because race mixing causes problems with genetic diseases and dilutes the homogenous order of the race

I have no idea what this homogenous order is

DO you think all asians are the same/

Or all indians?

Or all europeans?

WHere are you drawnig these lines?

it's a concept called "volk" which is a racially and spiritually similar people

which are a community unto itself

think of it like a military unit

What makes you think people can't assimilate into said volks

Also, we ultimately don't need a reason to impose our will

nobody does

because they are genetically and culturally distinct

if I wanted to I could just simply say that I want to

explain it to the liberal muslims in america

in effect they are not the volk

hence are excluded

ya'll acting like it's an imposbility

I despise liberals

meet some brown people

Two of my close friends are muslim

I have discussed this with them at length

No theyre not

liberalism is an egalitarian fantasy cooked up by wine ridden french intellectuals

yes they are lmao

it led us down a very dark path

also muslims don't like liberals either lol

hilariously

Normie im inclinded to beleive you have no college education, are single and in generally a poor place in life

and have a beleif that an ethnostate will somehow benefit you

yes ad hominem

I am a CS major, upper middle class and single, yes