DUde I'm trying to take you seriously

high time preference failure

since when do progressives care so much about how big business does?

I think low time preference.

but your acting like western civilizatino is gonna come crashing down because of brown people

It already is sort of

why is everything so cataclysmic with you people?

it's going to happen incrementally

Poverty is at a world wide low

War is at all time low

I don't think it will be a dramatic cataclysm per se

more like a slow decline

into obscurity

I don't see anything bad happening.

I feel like your just scared of being replaced.

I don't.

I value indivudals and want the best for everyone.

https://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/09/16/delingpole-civil-war-is-coming-to-europe-warns-german-politician/

We should in a best case scenario in an open an tolerant society that helps all its members including you guy

there's tons of examples like this

You all just sound scared.

spontaneous riots in chemnitz

economic collapse

no not at all

I am not scared of liberals

I find you weak

in a war we could easily crush your families

Brietbart has no fact checks

Damn man

do you have a soul?

neoliberal elites are more the threat than their followers

do you believe in souls?

Like for real, do compassion and love mean nothing to you?

why would I love you?

Who hurt you?

the cia, nsa, fbi etc. the people who defend the plutocracy are who we are really playing chess with

Cause we're humans.

I care about you.

So?

you people are just pawns

I want the best for you.

the feeling isn't mutual

I don't buy the "humanism" thing

It's just a value I have, and if more people thought like me I'd value you.

I don't care about non whites largely

I don't wish them ill

SO your a dataist then>

?

You value power primarily?

Again your talking about your feelings just like i am

No, I value order, racial ascendance, and spiritual purity.

the only difference is someone hurt you bad in the past

Moral philosophy is partially based on emotional axioms

moral philosophy is a post rationalization of axiomatic intuitive emotional reactions to things

Okay, so Vril, a hypothwttical.

If an alien race came to earth much more advanced than you, would be okay with them harvesting your bodies?

No

Of the entire white race elts say

Why would I?

What arguemnt would you give to them to have them not destroy you?

Or do you have none?

There is no argument, if they can do it and they want to, they have no reason not to

Youpeople are dark man

what argument would you give

What's your damage?

just saying the word "empathy" isn't an argument

I would say I value all sentient life, and each has a certian set of basic rights it is entitled too.

Ultimately it is, you value race

I would argue that if you allow us to ascend we can fulfill our genetic potential, and in so doing we can form alliances with your civilization in the future perhaps when we ascend to galactic civilizations. Also space faring civilizations which show mercy to the lessors would be more well received by their equals.

i value empathy.

So the incentive for them not to kill us would be an appeal to empathy and an appeal to their own self interest, wherein if they attack and destroy us their equals in another encounter might see this and grow weary

What genetic potential?

why do you value all sentient life, and why would an alien race (who likely exterminated all of their competition to get where they are, just as humans did to other sapient species on earth) value us because we are sentient

pre-emptively attacking them

and destroying them

YOu do realize that's no how evolution works?

Not

It kinda is

Normie what would the laternative be?

the alternative to what?

Your right it's my base presupposition

so what is yours?

That the species maters the most?

@Somedudewithaname I do understand how evolution works, but since I am NS I believe in eugenics. Genetic potential within the human context is us selecting for phenotypes, and genotypes which benefit our ascension to become higher order beings.

And what if the white race is outclassed by asians?

Good for the asians

This is the idealist NS outlook on genetics

Ahhh.

@Somedudewithaname They aren't, but I have no interest in lording over other races

I am an isolationist

They have higher IQ/s

I want to largely ignore other races and peoples so long as they don't tamper with us

this isn't true actually

what makes you think that would benefit you?

Yes it is actually.

if you control for removing hispanic whites they have comparable and higher IQ's for western Europeans

Vril don't get bogged down in an argument about chinese IQ

and American whites

hispanic-whites are what bring down our average

but my argument isn't based on IQ he's right

it doesn't matter in the long run what the chinese score on their IQ tests

that's an alt right talking point, I am not alt right

as long as you aren't literally retarded as a population (blacks), you can make it work

Still doesnt change the fact singaprorians have the highest iq

SO you just want to be left alone?

Even if your pov was correct it wouldn't change anything about my ideology.

Becuase....

I just don't understand why?

Because it's not linked in any way. Singaporeans having a high IQ is irrelevant to an ethnonationalist isolationist society.

Why would we care?

if anything it would just give us more incentive to practice eugenics

Why does an ethnostate matter so much to you?

to raise the avg IQ

@Somedudewithaname because other races are not tolerant like we are being

So you want to excute the low iq whites inyour ethnostate to?

Okay lol

they are competing with us and we are refusing to acknowledge this

Ilove irnoy

we need to resume competition with them

Because homogeneity creates order, harmony, and allows us to focus on a specific group of like minded people spiritually and culturally to ascend into the stars.

Your evidence?

Ultimately because it encourages social cohesion and stability

America became the largest supperpower on the backs of immigrants

the usssr had many ethnic groups

most empires have not bee nhomogenous

@Somedudewithaname I recommend you look up alternative hypothesis's website, he cites mountains of studies on the subject of social cohesion and racial homogeneity

I have

his studies rely on misinterpeting data

And ultiamtely i dont care

I think you're confusing technological achievement which was largely subsidized by the state and developed by Europeans and in some cases Asians as some achievement of globo homo.

What do you want then?

muslims in europe for example, actively seek supremacy in our own nations
what would you do in response to this? @Somedudewithaname

If you don't care about technolgical advancements, what advancements are you expecting?

Social cohesion?

who is this pebble fag and why should i care

I just said, a racially homogeneous pan European America which has a National Socialist set of policies.

Give me an example of an ethnostate

China

Japan

They don't

IF they do secularize them

At least they don't over here in america

@Somedudewithaname The advancements I'm expecting are an increase in intelligence, higher understanding of spiritual reality, higher optimal nutritional ability, sturdier and better bodies through years of proper breeding etc

cause we llearned to get along with immigrants

it wasn't that hard

because they are less than a percent of the USA

WAit wait...

what will you do when they are 1/3 of germany

A good example of what is effectively an ethnostate in the modern world is Japan

Not all white posses these traits

Japan has a very low level of crime

very low level of social upheaval

granted they have some issues, but this is mostly caused by hypercapitalism

China is actively committing demographic replacement against the Tibetans

do you want to commit ugenics on the lower social strata of the white ethnostate?

most of the social problems and anti traditional attitudes are not there

Yeah china is horrible

no, eugenics would apply to all

in NS classes collaborate

our economic system actually would make class by money an irrelevant concept

So you'd execute low iq whites too?

lol

who said anything about execution

the rate of deflation would make the moneyed elite idea not make any sense

He said eugenics

eugenics does not mean executing everyone underneath a certain iq

eugenics is preventing genetic diseases from spreading

dummy

@Somedudewithaname No, we would implement programs to incentivize higher IQ whites to breed with other high IQ whits, and lower IQ ones to breed less or not at all.

Wow you guys are kind of sad

basically the bottom line of eugenics is, if you have two kids and they're both retards, you're banned from having another

I don't think forcing people to breed with someone is cohesive

Damn I'm just kind of depressed now.

would cause issues

that's like, the bare minimum

If you are not eugenic you are dysgenic

you're not offering any counter arguments

why should we *not* practice eugenics?

natural eugenic effect is gone

I don't know what to say.

because youre wrong

What's your base presuposttion?

We have different base presuppositions and values

@Thule-Gesellschaft [☩] you're operating on the assumption that he knows what eugenics are

he doesn't

I can't argue with what you believe

he thinks eugenics means shooting dumb people

IF you value race more than indivudal well being then fine

That the collective racial identity is more important than individual identity, however we do not eradicate all individualism only that which harms the overall collective.

that if there is not eugenics there is dysgenics

I can't change your mind

I just want to understand why

and natural eugenics is gone

Why does collective racial idenity matter to you?

Because as I said, it's better for everyone. It fosters class collaboration, a eugenic upwards mobile society, a homogeneous society which helps each other, and strong families and communities.

It is simply better for the citizenry

in every way

Why is it impossible to have a heterogenous society that helps each other?

Because different races have different characteristics that make them less compatible with each other

because different races have different cultural, and genetic predispositions which cause them to conflict with one another

You know most leftitsts support class colbaration without the etno state parts?

have you heard of bowling alone

not to mention differences in intelligence

differences in how they view religion

spirituality

etc

What's your evidence for these differences in genetics accounting for that much?

Flynn effect?

observable reality

you know what FST is right

youre a biologist

refer to alt hype's stuff, there's all kinds of studies on how race and culture are retroactively linked

Or studies that show immigrant kids tends to do as well as the race of teir parents

there's inverse assimilation rates generationally with immigrants

so the next generation of them is less likely to assimilate than the first comers

Yeah biological differences exist but idfferences within populations aren't that distinct

they are actually

the difference is a few codons

that sam harris talking point is dumb

and not true

Vril.....

You know what FST is right

youre a biologist

ultimately we don't need a reason to have ingroup preference
it is an evolutionary reality, and human nature
it is not wrong to abide by natural law, and I believe that it produces effective society
@Somedudewithaname

its widely accepted that the human FST value is 1.5

You do realize it's impossible to dissociate societal infulences from biology in stuides right?

dna variation between races is sufficient btw in terms of the established taxonomy with other animals to label us separate sub species

NIGGER

FST IS PURE GENETICS

What makes you think these racial differences contribute to intelligence to any significant degree?

And also.

@Somedudewithaname environmental effects don't account for much

this likely wont matter in coming years with bio enhancements

that technology will not be made available to the public

your ethnostate is gonna be outcompeted by asian colations.

unless you can change the 0.155 FST value it doesnt matter

It will eventually

actually there was a scientist in eastern Europe recently who found the specific genotypes for intelligence

one sec will post

Enviormental factors do acoount

explain the flynn effect then

if you think anyone but the international elite will be transhuman, you are deluding yourself

do you think humans evolved 50 years?

you will be left to die in a failed state by then

because theres more distance genetically between human races than there is inbetween domestic dogs

@Somedudewithaname racial solidarity is not based entirely on intelligence alone

Especially without any strong seletive pressure?

it's similar to the concept of familial solidarity

dogs are literally less distant from eachother genetically than human ethnic groups

you can have a dumbass brother, but you will still love him no matter what