tbh

China could be the next rome of the world or the next USA but far more better

youre going absolutely nowhere with this

but they are under socialism

idk the leftists here are trying their best to sink us to China's level

that sucks

Leftists want atheism and communism

is China actually the 1st economical power

No...

it is

Not even close

its not

i thought it still didn't catch up to the USA

America is #1 by far

but not for good reasons

China is #1

its not

its up there

but not 1

well, China has a pretty much capitalist economical system

dengism

yes

lol what

yeah... with 57% in economic freedom that so damn capitalism** sarcasm

China is not capitalist at al

China is overregulated

>China is not capitalist at all
false

at all is a big statement

@sad slav you're an AnCap right? For fucks sake you should know better than anyone China is not capitalist

and a wrong one

https://twitter.com/NickJFuentes/status/1047691883093344256?s=19

China aint completely socialist or capitalist

its a "mixed economy"

china is basically capitalist

and a bad one at that

There is literally no capitalist element about China

but mfers play their cards rights for sure

There literally is

denying it dont make it go away

The government has corrupted every institution and market in China

Name a free market in China

Just GRAB and THROW 1,100 Million people to almost ANY COUNTRY above 70% in economic freedom, and you will have a superpower TWICE as China.

@Supreme Leader Kim 🧧 i didn't say completely

i said a partly(pretty much) capitalist system

nobody said completely

A pre-requisite to Capitalism is a free market in currency

but this nibba thinks that he can make the bold claim that nothing about it is capitalist

If someone forces you, at gunpoint, to use a currency they can inflate or deflate at a whim, that has nothing to do with capitalism. It's fascism.

which is intellectually dishonest as fuck

LOL

Thats not fascism

Yes it is.

no it literally isnt

Economic fascism: socialized cost, privatized profit.

it is capitalism, it's just regulated by a centralized government

You disagree with my definition?

not full on capitalism

It's a pretty standard one.

but it has some capitalist traits

China economic system is a shithole

Nope, I'm arguing philosophically. Not interested in pragmatism.

@lagillas no shit

The moment it's 1% centralized, it's no longer capitalism.

but they have a shitload of people for labour

is sad because they could be a lot better

this argument is unironically retarded

Philosophical capitalism is laissez-faire.

you're an ancap you should understand the economic freedom

not worth my time

im out

i do

@Insomniac good because you've made zero arguments anyways

>if someone forces you at gun point to use a currency they can inflate or deflate at will
this is america

china is mostly unfree

WOO

it is SAD

@Supreme Leader Kim 🧧 because youve said legit nothing of value to argue

the saddest country on earth

Yes, America is economic fascism

i guess

DONT CATCH YA TRIPPIN UP

THIS IS AMERICA

RAPE IN MY AREA

(((they))) are abusing the government to achieve monopolies in every sector

LOL

China had a lot of potential with their workers, just imagine if China was like Hong Kong...

America isnt even remotely fascist in any way you tard

Imagine that, China like Hong Kong

DAMN,...

yeah

it will be a fkn revolution around the world

I just gave you the definition of economic fascism. America is fascist.

L O L

Your definition is gay

EVERYTHING would be made in chinaç

Bank bailouts: socialized cost, privatized profit.

You support thaT?

I love America too guys, we're having a philosophical debate though

lots, of movies, it would be a hollyweird China edition, Free statues but even higher, Lands on mars, wow!

Don't sperg out

Smartphones with 2tb storage

not the Apple shit

but when you back and see this

https://imgur.com/a/75PkIvm

is pretty sad

Make the USD great again

Someone anchor a crypto to Gold or oil already

End the Fed

Make China Great once FOR ALL!

Oh boy I like usd's

I don't

FIAT is demonic

stable

At least

It is not stable at all

It could literally be worthless next year

stable, but always go down

Okay. What do you purchase instead of dollars?

Fucking euro?

we will never achieve ancapistan, if people still thinks that goverment is fundamentally necessesary

The way America used to do it was back their currency with Gold

I'd like to go back to the Gold standard atleast

Did you read about Kowloon Wallet City?

But preferably go back to a free market in currency

best ancap city in HK ever

it was demolished

😦

WE DON'T HAVE A KING

WE'RE AN ANARCHO-SYNDALIST COMMUNE

@lagillas a pre-requisite to ancapistan is a moral system btw. I wouldn't want to live in a capitalist + nihilist society.

Capitalism + Christianity is best by test so I'd start there.

NAP

you can create churches in ancapistan as well

if you want

agression is immoral in any instance

no matter the result

NAP is moral relativism though

@Supreme Leader Kim 🧧 gold cost less then 10 20 50 or 100 years ago and will continue to drop because with current technology with we may mind shittons of gold

xd

yup

If I bludgeoned a child to death, you wouldn't equate that to me drunk driving and killing someone

Or me killing someone who jumps in front of my car

that's basically him killing himself

Or me being distracted for a sec and running someone over

There are degrees to morality

but no, i wouldn't equate that morally

Right, so NAP is relative.

it is

@Mr. Cocksure If that's true, are you shorting Gold?

i just think religion isn't necessary for keeping morals

You'd make a killing off the market if you believed that.

@sad slav it is. Without God you can't have objective ethics.

No way around it.

religion isn't necessary but everyone believes the Bullshit that they want

when you die, you go nowhere

nowhere

@Supreme Leader Kim 🧧 I don't have gold

You don't need to have gold to short it.

you can have objective ethics

a lot of atheists do

Ok how?

it's a part of the modern society

Show me how, I'd be glad to have objective ethics

Without the need of God

the religion brought those morals here, so it was necessary at the start

but then the morals integrated into the ''modern life''

Why if you refuse to believe in bullshit you have to being TAG as something?, like atheist, and Wwhy if I refuse to being robbed i have to being tag as ANCAP?

I'm nothing just free

No, God exists outside the universe and made moral values intrinsic to the universe.

Atheists have subjective moral values.

When I say objective I mean those moral values would exist independently of what any human believed.

i know

but the basis is always there

unless you are a sociopath, psychopath etc.

that's the main part integrated into living in the modern world, we learn it even without having to be religious

ok, prove me why the Holocaust would be objectively bad even if the Nazis succeeded in eliminating every enemy. (Thus every human on Earth believes the Holocaust was a good thing.)

objectively

the Holocaust wasn't objectively anything

Ok then you agree with me you can't have objective ethics without God?

i didn't say you can't

i said there had to be a religion to bring the morals in the first place

but now it is integrated into the society, not only for religious people

That is relative

Some musilms think that the terrorist attack to the world trade center it was a good thing, and they believe in god even more than christians

The example I just gave shows why. Every Nazi believes killing Jews is good, and that's integrated into society, not only for religious people.

The same problem happens with NAP

Why is NAP objectively good and Nazism objectively bad?

nothing is objectively good or bad

"nothing is objectively good or bad" Even this statement?

yes

Self destructing logic then

You are making a truth statement about nothing being objectively good or bad (including truth)

people don't do bad things just because they don't want others doing it to them

I don't punch you in the face cause i don't want to get punched in the face

randomly

that's all the "morals"

randomly, no

lmao of course the ancap thinks objective morality isnt true

how else is he supposed to justify fucking kids

I'm an AnCap too

i didn't justify that

ancap is code word for pedophile

sure, lad

I am definitely not a pedophile

you as a person, want your kids being raped?

I want to both sleep and stay awake

@sad slav the best way to approach this is to admit NAP is a preference. You prefer NAP over Nazism.

@Supreme Leader Kim 🧧 yes, a subjective one

NO, so that's why you don't rape kids, BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANT THAT KIND OF THING

is pure logic!

damn

he's probably talking about human trafficking without borders

The ultimate way to approach is to admit God exists

@Soyeb Close your eyes half way, have a quarter of a dream. Then you'll both be awake and asleep at the same time.

Thus objective ethics exist

@฿ⱤɆӾł₮ɆɆⱤ that's I tried last time... Didn't work

i have no problem with christian anarchy

i'm not

yeah, Christianity must go hand in hand with Anarchy. I would not want nihilist anarchy.

4 here

its 6:30 am on the east coast @Fsypro

Imagine staying up past 1am

Actually with goverment bad people can do crimes and GET AWAY more easy

imagine not waking up at 6 AM

^

What do you sleep until noon

the only problem i have with that is indoctrination, if you force religion upon people for the sake of morals, it goes against libertarian values

I love the smell of propane in the morning.

I wake up between 6-8am

but it is the best thing you can do

depending on the day

I make sure I wake up early every day, usually before dawn @฿ⱤɆӾł₮ɆɆⱤ

@sad slav By that definition literally anything you teach is indoctrination

24hrs. without sleeping xD

To a child

it is

You teach a child to eat with a fork, therefore indoctrination / immoral

i dont think that teaching objective truth is indoctrination

not really

When I use to go to college I use to have to wake up at 5:30am

that's subjective morals

is teaching libertarian values indoctrination

yes

^ what Ezra said

? ok then your society is dead in one generation

that was fun

Objective truth is not indoctrination

values and moral is bullshit, the same enviroment teach all of us how to participate

Like Genghis Khan?

@฿ⱤɆӾł₮ɆɆⱤ when I go to part time job I have to get up at 4:20am You lazy anglo