Free will is God's gift to man

He respects our free will, but that doesn't mean we **should** use it however we want

Duh

<@396901899724521482> who mixing with who

Whites cannot "mix" with whites, it's not mixing, that's normal reproduction

Not all speech is good but that doesn't mean it should be banned

So, why **should** we allow free speech as a right? Murder is also respected a part of free will, but that doesn't mean we allow it.
`Not all speech is good but that doesn't mean it should be banned`
Why not?

@Noxar it's not necessarily normal reproduction

@Noxar look at it this way, centuries ago we had the silk road which prompted and prompted the exchange of goods, ideas and theories from one side of the world to another. That was how civilisation is built upon in that historical and material context. African tribes did not have access to such trade routes, and due to them being segregated from they have lower iq

OK ideas should be expressed instead of forced into back channels where they grow and rot

Why should *all* ideas by expressed?

Because then they can be contested

it's just a example, but most of the time, it's somwhat relevant to an extent @Noxar

So? Not all contestants are rational

@Leiro レイロ except you are incorrect

see: NPCs

IQ is biological, it's expressed in physical brain size @Leiro レイロ

<@!396901899724521482> can you justify that human right?

Correct not all ideas are rational, that doesn't mean I should have a criminal record for voicing them

Principles* <@396901899724521482>

Quite the difference

lel

@Quasi what is with you and human rights, do you believe in slavery?

<@396901899724521482> np

@Noxar true, but this can be either aggravated or alieviated based upon material and historical contexts like how the example I gave

@Leiro レイロ no, it can't, this has already been tested in experiments

Why should free speech be a principle? Free speech is a relatively new concept and we had nations way before it.
`Correct not all ideas are rational, that doesn't mean I should have a criminal record for voicing them`
Why not if those ideas threaten the establishment (assuming our preferred establishment)
`what is with you and human rights, do you believe in slavery?`
I just believe in duty, not rights.

Oof

DO NOT TALK BACK TO A SENIOR MEMBER OF STAFF

<@!396901899724521482> Do you believe in God?

Alright I will delet

Would it then not be your duty to convince others of toxic ideologies instead of imprisoning them.

?

<@!396901899724521482> I am deleting you now, I am sorry. I will re-add you when you accept Jesus into your life.

Guys my new youth worker is based AF

<@!396901899724521482> I find it humorous that atheists think that religious people have only faith and no evidence yet usually have absolute faith in ''human rights''

@Leiro レイロ they've conducted experiments of for example taking black children and placing them in adoptive families, some went to White families, some into black families. They took IQ tests at certain points in their life - when adopted, growing up and adult.

The IQ of blacks growing up in white family was a point or 2 higher while young, but went down to the black average after they became adults.

The kids went to better schools, families had more money than the black families, etc. Yet their IQ didn't grow

IQ is absolutely biological

I was talking about an atheist I had in my contacts and Craig pointed it out, not you <@!396901899724521482>

She even said that a constitutional republic is far more superior than a democracy

`Would it then not be your duty to convince others of toxic ideologies instead of imprisoning them.`
Unless they won't be convinced

If you go vegan, then your IQ rises up

@3260 well no, but going vegetarian could be healthier

I approve

https://www.aol.com/article/news/2018/10/17/doctors-flabbergasted-that-half-of-parents-think-flu-shot-causes-the-flu-its-impossible/23563742/

We absolutely do eat excessive amounts of meat these days, what's worse, SHITTY meat @3260

Journalists literally battling Zuckerbergs "news feed" zombies

I've heard that feeding on meat is very inefficient too

@Noxar but the example I mentioned was ideas and theories being transmitted over a series of multiple generations. You cannot just do experiments and claim it dosent work, it dosent take into regard generational influences

@Quasi then publicly shame them

@3260 ever heard of a carnivore diet?

@Kraftzmann the Free I men's vaccines do inject a weak form of the virus, small enough so the body can deal with the danger and build anti-bodies. So technically it does give you flu kek

@WizardLizardInABlizzard Prison *is* public shame

Not criminally incarnate them

Yes, so what about it

@Noxar Enjoy 0% masculinity

Nor is that Christian :^)

@Quasi no

No it is not

It is punishment

@Logical-Scholar Why are you harboring a personal vendetta against me?

Having a criminal record isn't shameful?

That's not how things work

Shame isn't punishment?

That's not how vaccines work

This is my point

It's a subtle thing

Facebook obviously cannot convey that

I take that back man @LaCraig

@Logical-Scholar yes those primitive men who ate meat like once a week or twice a month were total soyboys, its not like they were buff as fuck

Lol

No, not at all

Snap-On > Craftsman Change my mind

Eating meat full of chemical shit doesn't make you stronger

@Noxar hello?

it still has a shitload of fat

it gives you enough energy

Blame capitalism then @Noxar

SHUT IT DOWN

@Logical-Scholar some corporations cut corners to maximise profit, yes.

@WizardLizardInABlizzard How so? You're telling me that people aren't ashamed of having criminal records?

blame socialism, you have high taxes and can't afford quality meat

@Leiro レイロ average black IQ is the same all across the world, in Africa, in Jamaica, etc.

Research it, IQ is biological, sharing an idea doesn't raise your IQ, not even across gorillion generations

Are you actually telling me this?

@sad slav taxes don't exist under a socialist system

@Logical-Scholar blame capitalism? Implying mass production didn't exist under communism

Or even that public shaming *isn't* punishment?

how do you get money for programs

@Noxar nobody is denying that IQ is biological or not, I'm saying that it can be aggregated through materialistic and historical conditions. That's all.

No I'm telling you publicly shaming someone does not inhibit them from contributing to society

Hurr durr something wrong with my economic system? I will just point fingers at another failed system that doesn’t exist now

And I'm telling you that prison does not necessarily have to inhibit people from contribution

they can be labor

every economic system has something wrong

That's slavery

so?

some just have more of that, like socialism

@Noxar while im not a tankie, the Soviet Union industrialized at the expense of millions of lives, and became a economic superpower barely 40 years into its existence

what, and just bore them to death?

Not much of a punishment

@sad slav socialism seeks to rectify the faults of capitalism.

why is slavery wrong anyways?

So you are for castrating an entire class from contributing to the economy

Boom now they will non-stop promote slut culture but I guess I can point fingers at Communism and claim I could have it worse

?

an entire class?

What's this class?

The slave class

You mean the prisoners

Not a class, like it's some caste

Yeah, why not?

If it's for ideas it is

@WizardLizardInABlizzard while that was the theory and logic behind stalinist policies of forced collectivisation, that is what would happen if socialism didn't transition from capitalism and from a agrarian society.

They can do good deeds because of their bad deeds

Because that is stagnation in the economy

Slavery is not economically sound

We don't have to do it if it's not pragmatic

@WizardLizardInABlizzard the stagnating economy only worsened under khrusvhevs policies

but they can be useful in some way

Community service

Whatever, really

Because when Russia opened up to world economy gulags already did their damage

@Quasi government appointed life is communism

No, that's totalitarianism

you NPC

@WizardLizardInABlizzard under the guise of opening it up, the military-industrial complex fell under the hands of oligarchs

most final stage communist ideologies wouldn't have government

yes

it's a stateless, classless and moneyless society

well, there's some nuance

but that's the basic gist

under true communism there would be no government

it was still socialism

with dictatorship of the proletariat

Fine, totalitarianism prevents natural development in all aspects; tech, culture, economy, everything

@WizardLizardInABlizzard while the Soviet Union was yes, totalitarian, in a socialist system innovation would skyrocket and develop better.

>real communism never existed
*I wonder fucking why*

@WizardLizardInABlizzard because they transitioned from agrarian economies and not capitalist economies

socialism always fails when there's no industry to build it upon

literally every example of a socialist revolution happens in the third world and not industralized nations

Capitalism and free market is the best fertilizer for innovation

@WizardLizardInABlizzard but you're only arguing about the pragmatic effects of punishing dissent *in one way*, not justifying free speech.
`Fine, totalitarianism prevents natural development in all aspects; tech, culture, economy, everything`
Not necessarily, although *corporatism* does sacrifice efficiency for stability which is great.
`>real communism never existed
I wonder fucking why`
It did, although rather pathetically most of the time

Also probably the main reason we're not all killing each other

@WizardLizardInABlizzard innovation under a capitalist system is only driven for more profit, while under socialism is different

`Capitalism and free market is the best fertilizer for innovation`
No, it's the best encouragement for appealing to base desires

And what drives profit?

Greed

No, demand

Learn economy

@WizardLizardInABlizzard the greed for more. Greed and the profit motive still exists under socialism

You need an actor with the greed to satisfy the demand

except that the profits driven by greed would be benefited for and by the people, not the bourgeois

Yes.

An innovator

@WizardLizardInABlizzard innovation would be better under a socialist system.

Who let the commi in?

But we got off topic

who's the commie?

We were talking about free speech

@Leiro レイロ who else

You didn't justify it, but only switched to advocating a different punishment

@WizardLizardInABlizzard I'm a libertarian/democratic socialist, not a Marxist-Leninist or other sects of marxism

Of course the guy named after light in Hebrew is shilling for socialism

>libertarian socialist
now that's faggy

come on dude

hahaha libertarian socialist hahhaha

>libertarian
>socialist
Chose one

@WizardLizardInABlizzard both

hahahahhaha <:FeelsLELMan:356316501105442817> <:FeelsLELMan:356316501105442817> <:FeelsLELMan:356316501105442817>

<:pepewat:363726771365085185>

libertarianism was founded by a anarchist sorry

@WizardLizardInABlizzard you *can* pick both which just makes it worse

How

socialism isnt anarchism you wet wipe hahahaha

no

How are libertarian values anywhere close to socialist values?

libertarian is the term used for that US libertarian party

Social libertarianism

@Punished Norm the term libertarian was used to refer to the left until it was hijacked.

where the fella was giving a presentation with his shirt off

Sure it was

in a nusthell: You can be degenerate in all kinds of ways

this fucking guy

<:FeelsLELMan:356316501105442817>

<@396901899724521482> no its free market with no government regulations

@WizardLizardInABlizzard not necessarily

<@396901899724521482> liberals support globalism, which is basically international capitalism

Libertarianism just means cultural freedom

You can be free market and be a monarchist

International Corporatism*

see: neo-reactionarism

true

Conservatives support that as well @Quasi

`International Corporatism*`
>muh it's not REAL capitalism

>Muh its ALL REAL capitalism

@Logical-Scholar only american ''''''''''''''''conservatives''''''''''''''

fuck outta here

Oof then what I mean by libertarian is completely off from what I've been using it for

corporatism can only exist under capitalism

French Conservatives support globalism

@Punished Norm it's the real result of capitalism, which is corporatocracy, not corporatism

British once as well

@Quasiyep true

corporatism is catholic or fascist economics

Merkel is actually from a Christian party

Lol

@WizardLizardInABlizzard you use ''right wing'' wrong too

@Quasi Its the real result of government intervention in capitalism

Catholic economics <:FeelsLELMan:356316501105442817> <:FeelsLELMan:356316501105442817> <:FeelsLELMan:356316501105442817>

xd

@Quasi where?

MA SIDES

I never claimed I was right wing

Papal economics all gold goes to the Pope

<:FeelsLELMan:356316501105442817>

>Merkel
>Christian
yeah right
@Punished Norm And government is inevitable.
@WizardLizardInABlizzard fair enough
`Papal economics all gold goes to the Pope`
A lot more complex than that

what the fuck is this guy even talking about <:FeelsLELMan:356316501105442817> <:FeelsLELMan:356316501105442817>

talking about Merkel now

<:FeelsLELMan:356316501105442817>

Government is inevitable, it just should be minarchist

someone mentioned her

Lord help meh

i cant stand it no longers

and yes my pfp is contradicting but it's just a meme

She voted against fag marriage @Quasi

It should be minamalist and only deal with social issues, not economic

@Logical-Scholar wow BAAAAAAAAAASED

Not enough

It still passed though because the German parliament is cucked

conservatism in Germany is viewed upon differently in America, take that for starters

@Logical-Scholar true

You need to be Religious to be Conservative imo

no

you do

Otherwise you basically have nothing to preserve

I'm socialist but I'm still socially conservative

And no reason to preserve anything

You can't philosophically justify your worldview

@Leiro レイロ Socialism actually largly helps social conservatism

Agnosticism is an ignorance

so no left view here allowed yeah

@Discourse~♡ anime is not allowed here too

anime profile picture is *right*, for once

I got banned for anime once

It is as long as you behave whilst debating

ok i'll deport my dim sum looking fingers out of here

also <:NoAnime:356316847739633674>

"muh free speech"

***bans anime***

liberties are for losers right guys

@Discourse~♡ stop being degenerate