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2018-10-06 04:51:15 UTC

Daily reminder saunas are good for your heart

2018-10-06 04:51:30 UTC

We will need healthy hearts when the civil war reignites

2018-10-06 04:51:46 UTC

@Cawaii Why are you an atheist.

2018-10-06 04:52:05 UTC

You picked the literal worst option.

2018-10-06 04:52:07 UTC

now it's better

2018-10-06 04:52:26 UTC

can't lie tbh

2018-10-06 04:52:32 UTC

I am not really religious

2018-10-06 04:52:45 UTC

Theism has nothing to do with religion though.

2018-10-06 04:52:53 UTC


2018-10-06 04:53:08 UTC

I was brought up in a Muslim conservative country

2018-10-06 04:53:28 UTC

I can label myself as an exmuslim

2018-10-06 04:53:36 UTC

So I assume you've read the Kalam Cosmological Argument

2018-10-06 04:53:51 UTC

I haven't

2018-10-06 04:54:46 UTC


1. Whatever begins to exist has a cause.
2. The universe began to exist.
3. Therefore the universe has a cause.
4. There cannot be an infinite regress of causes.
5. There cannot be a circular causation.
6. Therefore the universe was caused (either directly or indirectly) by an uncaused cause (i.e that had no beginning).
7. The uncaused cause must transcend space and time, and be sentient.
8. But to say a sentient being that transcends space and time brought the universe into existence, is to say that God exists.
9. Therefore God exists.

2018-10-06 04:56:36 UTC

One of my main points of Agnostic view is the "I'll believe it when I see it" argument, and I love to factor in the ideas that there could be more Gods than thought and believed on the planet Earth, and a true God could exist as the Universe

2018-10-06 04:56:59 UTC

I'll believe it when I see it is anchoring truth to empiricism

2018-10-06 04:57:03 UTC

Which is subjective/a preference

2018-10-06 04:57:56 UTC

if brett likes bud lite he shouldnt be in the supreme court

2018-10-06 04:58:44 UTC

True, empiricism really does lock out certain theories and arguments necessary for understanding the universe around us, but the basis of being an Agnostic is purely being subjective.

2018-10-06 04:59:05 UTC

Does God exist or not, I'll believe it when I see it.

2018-10-06 04:59:31 UTC

>when I see it

2018-10-06 04:59:40 UTC

how would you be able to "see" omniscience and omnipotence?

2018-10-06 04:59:47 UTC

hint: you can't

2018-10-06 05:00:16 UTC

It all comes back down to being subjective.

2018-10-06 05:00:22 UTC

that's not an argument

2018-10-06 05:00:35 UTC

you're just saying outright "lol I don't care because it's my opinion"

2018-10-06 05:00:44 UTC

Without God you have an infinite regress of subjectivity

2018-10-06 05:01:09 UTC

btw calling something subjective is an objective claim about subjectivity, which imo undermines the ontological potency of subjectivist arguments

2018-10-06 05:01:12 UTC

nothing is subjective

2018-10-06 05:01:14 UTC

that is a meme

2018-10-06 05:01:22 UTC

Empiricism can be embedded within a greater science, which can be embedded in a greater science, within a greater science, etc.

2018-10-06 05:03:12 UTC

So just out of curiosity, is your theist belief the belief that god is the cosmos?

2018-10-06 05:03:23 UTC


2018-10-06 05:03:29 UTC

To me, He is the Unmoved Mover

2018-10-06 05:03:35 UTC

Can you elaborate?

2018-10-06 05:03:50 UTC

^ the 9 point argument I posted

2018-10-06 05:04:01 UTC

He is the anchor to the causal chain

2018-10-06 05:04:32 UTC

He exists outside the natural world, He is the unactualized actualizer.

2018-10-06 05:04:43 UTC

He initiated all movement. The Unmoved Mover.

2018-10-06 05:04:45 UTC


2018-10-06 05:04:50 UTC

God bless America

2018-10-06 05:05:01 UTC


2018-10-06 05:08:17 UTC

Well fuck me I guess I just became a Theist

2018-10-06 05:08:21 UTC

That makes too much sense

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2018-10-06 05:09:33 UTC

why is ezra mod not senior mod

2018-10-06 05:09:38 UTC

I thought he was senior mod

2018-10-06 05:09:45 UTC


2018-10-06 05:10:16 UTC

Well the more I think about it the more it makes more sense because that this God would exist outside of the space of reality since It created the space, so it doesn't have to follow the standard laws of Physics that we understand or try to understand now.

2018-10-06 05:10:39 UTC


2018-10-06 05:10:40 UTC

Since you can't have an infinite explosion and regression of the universe like some would theorize to the beginning of *our* universe now, something had to have started the space

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2018-10-06 05:11:11 UTC

you're getting there

2018-10-06 05:11:16 UTC

so what god is that

2018-10-06 05:11:18 UTC

This thing could bend its own physics and think itself into existence and we wouldn't be able to explain it with our own physics, because he created the space that those physics exist and he's outside of that space

2018-10-06 05:11:25 UTC

@GrandxSlam *trinity

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2018-10-06 05:11:50 UTC

Correct, you are making the right inferences.

2018-10-06 05:12:02 UTC

who knows

2018-10-06 05:12:18 UTC

@Ben well hang on, God didn't think itself into existence

2018-10-06 05:12:24 UTC

So once that's settled, the question becomes which religion is correct?

2018-10-06 05:12:27 UTC

God is eternal

2018-10-06 05:12:38 UTC

always existent

2018-10-06 05:12:42 UTC

No i think he means God could will himself into the physical realm

2018-10-06 05:12:42 UTC

everything has a begining though

2018-10-06 05:12:58 UTC

not God

2018-10-06 05:13:02 UTC

because God is outside of our universe

2018-10-06 05:13:08 UTC

Exactly, the physics that we try to use to explain the creation of this God are completely irrelevant because he doesn't exist within that sphere, he's outside of those powers.

2018-10-06 05:13:21 UTC

Yes but he could break physics and insert himself in our universe if He pleased

2018-10-06 05:13:22 UTC

how do we know that

2018-10-06 05:13:40 UTC

yeah, that's the problem with the "well who created god" argument @Ben

2018-10-06 05:13:45 UTC

He did

2018-10-06 05:13:50 UTC

He can will that thought of existence

2018-10-06 05:14:14 UTC

He is not confined to space-time. Space-time is a limitation of the physical world.

2018-10-06 05:14:16 UTC

There's no reasonable physical theory we can make up and prove because he isn't under that control

2018-10-06 05:14:22 UTC

God is therefore eternal.

2018-10-06 05:14:41 UTC

Right, the scope of empiricism is the natural world and the natural world only.

2018-10-06 05:15:04 UTC

i don't know, it sounds like a perfect excuse, how can you disprove something thats not even in our uhh, realm of existance or whatnot

2018-10-06 05:15:21 UTC

i just don't understand how we know all this in the first place

2018-10-06 05:15:29 UTC

How do we know anything?

2018-10-06 05:15:33 UTC

That is philosophy

2018-10-06 05:15:36 UTC

The religious server

2018-10-06 05:15:46 UTC

We don't know in the first place, it's a belief

2018-10-06 05:15:48 UTC

It's Theism

2018-10-06 05:16:07 UTC

The same way that you would think of a Christian God

2018-10-06 05:16:22 UTC

man idk, i am just filled with doubt about everything in the cosmos at this point

2018-10-06 05:17:42 UTC

Thomas Aquinas dedicated his life to these questions btw

2018-10-06 05:17:58 UTC

He was looking to prove Christianity as a philosopher first, believer second.

2018-10-06 05:19:12 UTC

Shadow Warrior 2 currently free!

2018-10-06 05:19:49 UTC

@GrandxSlam What do you anchor truth to? Empiricism?

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2018-10-06 05:22:14 UTC

Can someone explain to me why Centrism is looked down upon?

2018-10-06 05:22:26 UTC

@Ben Centrism is apathy

2018-10-06 05:22:27 UTC

It is pragmatism at its worst

2018-10-06 05:22:28 UTC

Apathy is death

2018-10-06 05:22:58 UTC

Is centrism based on a principle?

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2018-10-06 05:23:31 UTC

the principle of indecisiveness

2018-10-06 05:25:34 UTC

So let's say health care. On the complete right, the principle is the free market. On the complete left, the principle is equality. The center is pragmatism, trying to balance them out.

2018-10-06 05:25:49 UTC

I am going to do a face reveal

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2018-10-06 05:25:57 UTC

ur hot

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2018-10-06 05:28:09 UTC

What salary would you guys call high coming out of uni

2018-10-06 05:28:13 UTC

To stand on a viewpoint where, regarding the US, gun control is needed, but not needed to such an extent where we would start restricting the use of guns completely, as well as not having willy-nilly gun-toting anyones with the power to kill, where woudl that viewpoint be?

2018-10-06 05:28:20 UTC

Like starting salary

2018-10-06 05:28:22 UTC

I'd say it's a moderate decision, right?

2018-10-06 05:28:53 UTC

And I consider simple moderation a more central point than pushed to either side

2018-10-06 05:28:53 UTC

That's why people don't like centrism

2018-10-06 05:28:57 UTC

Because the statement is vague

2018-10-06 05:29:35 UTC

Whenever I take a test on my political views I always end up near centrist or slightly right leaning

2018-10-06 05:29:37 UTC

But yeah that would be a centrist position

2018-10-06 05:29:46 UTC

yeah that's what I'm getting too @Xenoframe

2018-10-06 05:30:10 UTC

I want to have a better understanding of politics so I lurk here whenever there are discussions about it going on <:PepeIntrastain:482328467829030961>

2018-10-06 05:30:23 UTC

When I think of Centrism, I prefer to think of it as simple moderation, not apathy. Unfortunately, its viewed as such because many Centrists ARE apathetic to most topics.

2018-10-06 05:30:36 UTC

If your views don't match the principle (in this case complete freedom vs complete "security") then you are somewhwere in the center.

2018-10-06 05:31:06 UTC

I guess it depends on the topic for me

2018-10-06 05:31:20 UTC

Most left leaning views I dont agree with

2018-10-06 05:31:55 UTC

yeah but what does the gang weed empire have to say about it

2018-10-06 05:31:57 UTC

I like pragmatism

2018-10-06 05:32:02 UTC

@☦ Slouch ☦ legalize crystal weed

2018-10-06 05:32:02 UTC

I hate pragmatism

2018-10-06 05:32:09 UTC

ill be pragmatic to an extent

2018-10-06 05:32:13 UTC

Not philosophically, but the manifestation of it.

2018-10-06 05:32:20 UTC

but you gotta decide on what you will be pragmatic about

2018-10-06 05:32:31 UTC

Pragmatism philosophically would by definition lead to the best results.

2018-10-06 05:32:49 UTC

@Xenoframe what political test are you taking

2018-10-06 05:33:16 UTC

Political compass is not a very good one if that's what you're using

2018-10-06 05:33:17 UTC

I see where you're coming from with Pragmatism, fine by theory, terrible in execution, right?

2018-10-06 05:33:24 UTC

But that is an empty statement. "pragmatism is the best because it's the best" is no guiding principle.

2018-10-06 05:33:31 UTC


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2018-10-06 05:33:38 UTC

My messages broke

2018-10-06 05:33:46 UTC

is this some bs, somebody on wallstreetbets discord linked this

2018-10-06 05:33:58 UTC

@Mord yes I was using compass because I was too lazy to take the 8values one

2018-10-06 05:34:03 UTC

I will later tho

2018-10-06 05:34:05 UTC

Its late

2018-10-06 05:34:09 UTC

@Xenoframe take Politiscales.

2018-10-06 05:34:18 UTC

compass is gay

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2018-10-06 05:34:22 UTC

it doesnt even measure social

2018-10-06 05:34:33 UTC

8values is where I got centrist

2018-10-06 05:34:49 UTC

8values listed me as an autocrat which is far from true

2018-10-06 05:34:51 UTC

I was at 0.0 and 3 or something

2018-10-06 05:34:54 UTC

Cant remember

2018-10-06 05:34:59 UTC

In the middle and up a bit

2018-10-06 05:35:01 UTC

Politiscales is pretty well rounded in the sense that it gives you a good perspective of where you're at on all aspects of politics

2018-10-06 05:35:16 UTC

lt's a long test, but it is relatively thorough

2018-10-06 05:35:32 UTC

lt's like 110 questions, took me about 10 minutes or so

2018-10-06 05:35:35 UTC

Ok well I wanna ask some other questions

2018-10-06 05:35:47 UTC

is raping a prostitute theft?

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2018-10-06 05:35:49 UTC

What would you guys consider a high starting salary coming out of university

2018-10-06 05:35:55 UTC

@agag nope

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2018-10-06 05:35:59 UTC

depends where you work

2018-10-06 05:36:02 UTC

>anything less than 75% nation

2018-10-06 05:36:06 UTC

@Thule-Gesellschaft [☩] no as in no it's not bs or no as in it's not happening

2018-10-06 05:36:08 UTC

200k might sound big in Sillicon Valley but it's shit

2018-10-06 05:36:08 UTC

I mean just in general

2018-10-06 05:36:12 UTC

no bs

2018-10-06 05:36:20 UTC

@Xenoframe what state do you live in

2018-10-06 05:36:29 UTC

canopy is already on nyse

2018-10-06 05:36:37 UTC

Montana but I plan to move

2018-10-06 05:36:42 UTC

nihilism is a self detonating axiom

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2018-10-06 05:37:10 UTC

A high salary in Montana l think would be anywhere north of ~$65k

2018-10-06 05:37:30 UTC

I'd like to hear your thoughts on the meaning of life @Supreme Leader Kim 🧧

2018-10-06 05:37:38 UTC

Dont plan on working here once I get out of uni

2018-10-06 05:37:47 UTC

where are you moving to

2018-10-06 05:37:51 UTC

Maybe if there is a great opportunity

2018-10-06 05:37:58 UTC

I have no idea

2018-10-06 05:38:08 UTC

I plan to go into computer science or engineering

2018-10-06 05:38:22 UTC

Do not move to California, you will not be able to afford it unless you got a job with a massive tech company

2018-10-06 05:38:46 UTC

come to hoosiereich

2018-10-06 05:38:52 UTC

Or any other expensive state

2018-10-06 05:38:59 UTC

I was looking at a job as a programmer for a tech company in canada

2018-10-06 05:39:04 UTC

California sucks and they’re dragging their problems into Oregon

2018-10-06 05:39:05 UTC

you what nigger

2018-10-06 05:39:06 UTC

Probably not though

2018-10-06 05:39:12 UTC

don't do it

2018-10-06 05:39:17 UTC

why the fuck would you go to canada

2018-10-06 05:39:17 UTC

@Ben I don't know the objective true meaning of life. Only God knows that. I have a subjective conception of the meaning of life though

2018-10-06 05:39:29 UTC

are you a traitor

2018-10-06 05:39:30 UTC

I am still in high school so I have a lot of things to do

2018-10-06 05:39:32 UTC

Have you looked at WA? @Xenoframe

2018-10-06 05:39:36 UTC

@Supreme Leader Kim 🧧 I'd like to hear your conception then

2018-10-06 05:39:38 UTC

I just like having plans set

2018-10-06 05:39:39 UTC

look up Palouse Washington

2018-10-06 05:39:43 UTC

@Ben theosis

2018-10-06 05:39:48 UTC

Washington has a lot of tech jobs

2018-10-06 05:39:49 UTC

literally the point of life

2018-10-06 05:39:55 UTC

@Mord I like Washington

2018-10-06 05:40:05 UTC

and other than Seattle, it;s not a liberal shithole like CA

2018-10-06 05:40:08 UTC

i want to move to real life tellytubby land

2018-10-06 05:40:09 UTC


2018-10-06 05:40:09 UTC

@Ben it's boring, it's pretty much what Aristotle said. Philosophy leads to virtue which leads to happiness.

2018-10-06 05:40:44 UTC

this is so comfy

2018-10-06 05:41:02 UTC

Philosophy leads to virtue which leads to happiness.

2018-10-06 05:41:03 UTC

Thus the meaning of life is to philosophize.

2018-10-06 05:41:07 UTC

Washington has the problem Oregon, Illinois, and New York state have

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2018-10-06 05:41:16 UTC

they have a major city that controls all the politics

2018-10-06 05:41:37 UTC

I'm thinking that mental consciousness/awareness was a chemical mistake that gave birth to beyond-primitive behavior and thought

2018-10-06 05:41:47 UTC

Mark 12:29-31

2018-10-06 05:41:47 UTC

**Mark 12:29-31 - New King James Version (NKJV)**


<29> Jesus answered him, "The first of all the commandments is: 'Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one. <30> And you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your mind, and with all your strength.' This is the first commandment. <31> And the second, like it, is this: 'You shall love your neighbor as yourself.' There is no other commandment greater than these."```

2018-10-06 05:41:55 UTC

@Ben lol

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2018-10-06 05:42:01 UTC

are you a man of god ben

2018-10-06 05:42:23 UTC

>consciousness made us more primitive

2018-10-06 05:42:24 UTC

im going to hack biblebot one day

2018-10-06 05:42:26 UTC

I've recently been thinking about the God beyond cosmos

2018-10-06 05:43:04 UTC

@Ben possibly, I reject the teleological argument/intelligent design argument but it's pretty strong.

2018-10-06 05:43:09 UTC

He's still intrinsically linked to physical reality

2018-10-06 05:43:17 UTC

it depends on Him to exist

2018-10-06 05:43:58 UTC

My only objection to the teleological argument is "even if the probability of life manifesting is 0.00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001, for us to have this discussion is contingent on hitting that probability."

2018-10-06 05:44:23 UTC

God the Father is not immanent, but God the Son and the Holy Spirit are

2018-10-06 05:44:23 UTC

but when you look at the numbers it feels absurd to think that

2018-10-06 05:44:39 UTC

There are way more 0's than I wrote

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2018-10-06 05:45:33 UTC

I hate the recent social practice of hating and immediately considering guilty the party of the accused

2018-10-06 05:45:41 UTC

was he confirmed today or did they put it off again?

2018-10-06 05:45:48 UTC

@batteries cloture vote was today

2018-10-06 05:45:51 UTC

confirmation vote is tomorrow

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2018-10-06 05:46:06 UTC

@Ben Say you were playing poker. And I showed you Royal Flush 1000 consecutive hands. Would you think you're living in the timeline where that happens or would you assume the game is rigged (intelligent design?)

2018-10-06 05:46:35 UTC

Hyper bait

2018-10-06 05:46:46 UTC

Its real retarded nigga hours

2018-10-06 05:46:52 UTC

Nice shit raid

2018-10-06 05:46:55 UTC

another lazy raid?

2018-10-06 05:46:55 UTC

You can do better

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2018-10-06 05:47:16 UTC

@Supreme Leader Kim 🧧 I see your point, its all by chance

2018-10-06 05:47:49 UTC

@cody <@290985115784577024> <@217357030451576832> t.bait

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2018-10-06 05:47:52 UTC

Try harder

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2018-10-06 05:48:12 UTC

I can't disprove your logic about life manifesting through luck. No matter how improbable, it is still possible. So I have no good counterargument to your premise @Ben

2018-10-06 05:48:12 UTC


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