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Daily reminder saunas are good for your heart
We will need healthy hearts when the civil war reignites
You picked the literal worst option.
now it's better
can't lie tbh
I am not really religious
Theism has nothing to do with religion though.
I was brought up in a Muslim conservative country
I can label myself as an exmuslim
So I assume you've read the Kalam Cosmological Argument
1. Whatever begins to exist has a cause.
2. The universe began to exist.
3. Therefore the universe has a cause.
4. There cannot be an infinite regress of causes.
5. There cannot be a circular causation.
6. Therefore the universe was caused (either directly or indirectly) by an uncaused cause (i.e that had no beginning).
7. The uncaused cause must transcend space and time, and be sentient.
8. But to say a sentient being that transcends space and time brought the universe into existence, is to say that God exists.
9. Therefore God exists.
One of my main points of Agnostic view is the "I'll believe it when I see it" argument, and I love to factor in the ideas that there could be more Gods than thought and believed on the planet Earth, and a true God could exist as the Universe
I'll believe it when I see it is anchoring truth to empiricism
Which is subjective/a preference
if brett likes bud lite he shouldnt be in the supreme court
True, empiricism really does lock out certain theories and arguments necessary for understanding the universe around us, but the basis of being an Agnostic is purely being subjective.
Does God exist or not, I'll believe it when I see it.
>when I see it
how would you be able to "see" omniscience and omnipotence?
hint: you can't
It all comes back down to being subjective.
that's not an argument
you're just saying outright "lol I don't care because it's my opinion"
Without God you have an infinite regress of subjectivity
btw calling something subjective is an objective claim about subjectivity, which imo undermines the ontological potency of subjectivist arguments
nothing is subjective
that is a meme
Empiricism can be embedded within a greater science, which can be embedded in a greater science, within a greater science, etc.
So just out of curiosity, is your theist belief the belief that god is the cosmos?
To me, He is the Unmoved Mover
Can you elaborate?
^ the 9 point argument I posted
He is the anchor to the causal chain
He exists outside the natural world, He is the unactualized actualizer.
He initiated all movement. The Unmoved Mover.
God bless America
Well fuck me I guess I just became a Theist
That makes too much sense
why is ezra mod not senior mod
I thought he was senior mod
Well the more I think about it the more it makes more sense because that this God would exist outside of the space of reality since It created the space, so it doesn't have to follow the standard laws of Physics that we understand or try to understand now.
Since you can't have an infinite explosion and regression of the universe like some would theorize to the beginning of *our* universe now, something had to have started the space
you're getting there
so what god is that
This thing could bend its own physics and think itself into existence and we wouldn't be able to explain it with our own physics, because he created the space that those physics exist and he's outside of that space
Correct, you are making the right inferences.
So once that's settled, the question becomes which religion is correct?
God is eternal
No i think he means God could will himself into the physical realm
everything has a begining though
because God is outside of our universe
Exactly, the physics that we try to use to explain the creation of this God are completely irrelevant because he doesn't exist within that sphere, he's outside of those powers.
Yes but he could break physics and insert himself in our universe if He pleased
how do we know that
He can will that thought of existence
He is not confined to space-time. Space-time is a limitation of the physical world.
There's no reasonable physical theory we can make up and prove because he isn't under that control
God is therefore eternal.
Right, the scope of empiricism is the natural world and the natural world only.
i don't know, it sounds like a perfect excuse, how can you disprove something thats not even in our uhh, realm of existance or whatnot
i just don't understand how we know all this in the first place
How do we know anything?
That is philosophy
The religious server
We don't know in the first place, it's a belief
The same way that you would think of a Christian God
man idk, i am just filled with doubt about everything in the cosmos at this point
Thomas Aquinas dedicated his life to these questions btw
He was looking to prove Christianity as a philosopher first, believer second.
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Can someone explain to me why Centrism is looked down upon?
It is pragmatism at its worst
Apathy is death
Is centrism based on a principle?
the principle of indecisiveness
So let's say health care. On the complete right, the principle is the free market. On the complete left, the principle is equality. The center is pragmatism, trying to balance them out.
I am going to do a face reveal
What salary would you guys call high coming out of uni
To stand on a viewpoint where, regarding the US, gun control is needed, but not needed to such an extent where we would start restricting the use of guns completely, as well as not having willy-nilly gun-toting anyones with the power to kill, where woudl that viewpoint be?
Like starting salary
I'd say it's a moderate decision, right?
And I consider simple moderation a more central point than pushed to either side
That's why people don't like centrism
Because the statement is vague
Whenever I take a test on my political views I always end up near centrist or slightly right leaning
But yeah that would be a centrist position
I want to have a better understanding of politics so I lurk here whenever there are discussions about it going on <:PepeIntrastain:482328467829030961>
When I think of Centrism, I prefer to think of it as simple moderation, not apathy. Unfortunately, its viewed as such because many Centrists ARE apathetic to most topics.
If your views don't match the principle (in this case complete freedom vs complete "security") then you are somewhwere in the center.
I guess it depends on the topic for me
Most left leaning views I dont agree with
yeah but what does the gang weed empire have to say about it
I like pragmatism
I hate pragmatism
ill be pragmatic to an extent
Not philosophically, but the manifestation of it.
but you gotta decide on what you will be pragmatic about
Pragmatism philosophically would by definition lead to the best results.
Political compass is not a very good one if that's what you're using
I see where you're coming from with Pragmatism, fine by theory, terrible in execution, right?
But that is an empty statement. "pragmatism is the best because it's the best" is no guiding principle.
My messages broke
is this some bs, somebody on wallstreetbets discord linked this
@Mord yes I was using compass because I was too lazy to take the 8values one
I will later tho
compass is gay
it doesnt even measure social
8values is where I got centrist
8values listed me as an autocrat which is far from true
I was at 0.0 and 3 or something
In the middle and up a bit
Politiscales is pretty well rounded in the sense that it gives you a good perspective of where you're at on all aspects of politics
lt's a long test, but it is relatively thorough
lt's like 110 questions, took me about 10 minutes or so
Ok well I wanna ask some other questions
is raping a prostitute theft?
What would you guys consider a high starting salary coming out of university
depends where you work
>anything less than 75% nation
@Thule-Gesellschaft [☩] no as in no it's not bs or no as in it's not happening
200k might sound big in Sillicon Valley but it's shit
I mean just in general
canopy is already on nyse
Montana but I plan to move
nihilism is a self detonating axiom
A high salary in Montana l think would be anywhere north of ~$65k
I'd like to hear your thoughts on the meaning of life @Supreme Leader Kim 🧧
Dont plan on working here once I get out of uni
where are you moving to
Maybe if there is a great opportunity
I have no idea
I plan to go into computer science or engineering
Do not move to California, you will not be able to afford it unless you got a job with a massive tech company
come to hoosiereich
Or any other expensive state
I was looking at a job as a programmer for a tech company in canada
California sucks and they’re dragging their problems into Oregon
you what nigger
Probably not though
don't do it
why the fuck would you go to canada
@Ben I don't know the objective true meaning of life. Only God knows that. I have a subjective conception of the meaning of life though
are you a traitor
I am still in high school so I have a lot of things to do
I just like having plans set
look up Palouse Washington
Washington has a lot of tech jobs
literally the point of life
and other than Seattle, it;s not a liberal shithole like CA
i want to move to real life tellytubby land
@Ben it's boring, it's pretty much what Aristotle said. Philosophy leads to virtue which leads to happiness.
this is so comfy
Philosophy leads to virtue which leads to happiness.
Thus the meaning of life is to philosophize.
Washington has the problem Oregon, Illinois, and New York state have
they have a major city that controls all the politics
I'm thinking that mental consciousness/awareness was a chemical mistake that gave birth to beyond-primitive behavior and thought
**Mark 12:29-31 - New King James Version (NKJV)**
<29> Jesus answered him, "The first of all the commandments is: 'Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one. <30> And you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your mind, and with all your strength.' This is the first commandment. <31> And the second, like it, is this: 'You shall love your neighbor as yourself.' There is no other commandment greater than these."```
are you a man of god ben
>consciousness made us more primitive
im going to hack biblebot one day
I've recently been thinking about the God beyond cosmos
@Ben possibly, I reject the teleological argument/intelligent design argument but it's pretty strong.
He's still intrinsically linked to physical reality
it depends on Him to exist
My only objection to the teleological argument is "even if the probability of life manifesting is 0.00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001, for us to have this discussion is contingent on hitting that probability."
God the Father is not immanent, but God the Son and the Holy Spirit are
but when you look at the numbers it feels absurd to think that
There are way more 0's than I wrote
I hate the recent social practice of hating and immediately considering guilty the party of the accused
was he confirmed today or did they put it off again?
confirmation vote is tomorrow
@Ben Say you were playing poker. And I showed you Royal Flush 1000 consecutive hands. Would you think you're living in the timeline where that happens or would you assume the game is rigged (intelligent design?)
Its real retarded nigga hours
Nice shit raid
another lazy raid?
You can do better
I can't disprove your logic about life manifesting through luck. No matter how improbable, it is still possible. So I have no good counterargument to your premise @Ben