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2019-07-26 00:32:22 UTC

you dont know shit about tariffs

2019-07-26 01:16:54 UTC

I don't very much like Trump as a person and he's gone and done some stupid shit that went against his own supporters but there's no way in hell I'm voting for anyone besides him in 2020 unless I just want the whole country to turn into a socialist, open borders, economically screwed fuck fest

2019-07-26 01:28:04 UTC

@Green Syndicalism K sry I was in the middle of doing something else at that same. In hindsight, it was a bs post. But what you are suggesting is a large-scale protectionist economy within America. That helps absolutely no one, even the industries involved in the long run. China helps its own industries, sure, but China is not America. The US' tariffs are not happening in a static world; they are happening in tandem with retaliatory tariffs (by China and other trading partners) which make US' exports uncompetitive. Even if the US starts helping out all its industries, they will eventually look for foreign markets. You are simply stifling their economic freedom. A protectionist economy is a globalized world does not work.

2019-07-26 01:42:41 UTC

have you even looked at the stats? you have both a trade deficit *and* a massive budget deficit. When you eventually lose the reserve currency of the world (which you will eventually, trump is making sure of that), these drains on your economy will become apparent. You'll have a weak dollar, making foreign imports very expensive, raising the cost of living without actually raising the wages of your own workers. What do you think this will be other than a monster recession? You won't have the local industries in existence to mitigate the effects of this *inevitability* because you *didnt* protect them in the first place.

>they will eventually look for foreign markets.

you know why they rely on this? its because local consumers dont have the demand to satiate the productive capacities of your own industries because they're in so much debt and their wages aren't going up. If you increased the purchasing power of your own citizens (with proper wage growth and modern debt jubilees), your economy would be *far* less dependent on foreign markets sales.

>That helps absolutely no one, even the industries involved in the long run

you've said this, then provided no argument to back it up. while i agree we shouldnt protect *every industry* because these industries dont exist in a vacuum (my steel tariffs example is a good illustration of this), we should protect the industries at the top of the pile, because they're the ones who provide the high wages, they're the ones who provide for global monopolies and they're the ones who make america's national security and hegemony secure. It makes *no* sense to allow these industries to be offshored, and they needn't be with good regulation. Keeping industries at home leads to future productivity gains *in your own nation*, encourages immigration of the most skilled and educated workers from other nations (a brain sink) and ensures full sovereignty as you are less reliant on the whims of foreign states.

2019-07-26 01:44:20 UTC

the argument for free trade is "you get cheaper goods in the short run!"

2019-07-26 01:44:37 UTC

it ignores every other aspect of the economy

2019-07-26 01:51:40 UTC

@Green Syndicalismmy intellectual friend

2019-07-26 01:52:00 UTC

hello sir

2019-07-26 03:24:51 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/513098339961798676/604152114247106579/image0.jpg

2019-07-26 14:10:32 UTC

Trump is a real

2019-07-26 14:10:33 UTC

G

2019-07-26 14:10:54 UTC

<#513098339961798676>2020

2019-07-26 14:11:00 UTC

Trump ftw

2019-07-26 15:15:32 UTC

The duopoly continues regardless. I would have rather seen trump as a third party candidate, but like Bernie in the end you just end up a deal maker for the establishment.

2019-07-26 15:32:46 UTC

press 1 if you read greens rant

2019-07-26 15:34:27 UTC

TRMP

2019-07-26 15:34:32 UTC

our lord and savior

2019-07-26 17:17:50 UTC

@robert from kinoplex I never seen Trump like this the president sit must be taking a huge toll on him

2019-07-26 19:14:17 UTC

I read what @Green Syndicalism wrote. So, people on this server have reading abilities that need to be catered to? Apparently that's considered a "rant" and not to be read.

2019-07-26 19:15:09 UTC

Some of you definitely haven't opened a book huh. Afraid of libraries as well? Too many words? Yikes

2019-07-26 19:15:50 UTC

Oops I'm hitting the character cap for ranting and spamming huh ๐Ÿ˜จ

2019-07-26 20:16:06 UTC

god stop whining ty

2019-07-26 20:16:36 UTC

the two of you constantly making comments about people not being able to read is getting old so drop it @Dr.Cosby @Green Syndicalism

2019-07-26 21:11:35 UTC

Yes sir, please don't ban me sir

2019-07-26 21:12:34 UTC

But to be clear: can I make comments and whine when people write TOO much? I want to know the rules so I am not punished <:peepobad:538084182644228112>

2019-07-26 21:55:07 UTC

*read a book* leftist argument

2019-07-26 21:55:41 UTC

Karl Marx , Das Kapital is toiletpaper not a book

2019-07-26 21:56:04 UTC

Try again nose-man

2019-07-26 21:56:48 UTC

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2019-07-26 23:18:47 UTC

"green's rant"

you mean "green's counterargument to an interlocuter". isnt that meant to be the point of discord servers like this? to engage in debate and discuss these concepts with people? if you refuse to read anything longer than a few sentences, why should anyone take your views seriously?

2019-07-26 23:59:17 UTC

Idk it's a roundabout ad hominem I've seen elsewhere, hopefully it's not too common of a problem here. Telling someone "tldr" is a cheap shot.

2019-07-27 01:53:26 UTC

or maybe I was making a joke

2019-07-27 01:53:42 UTC

r u a hit at parties

2019-07-27 02:08:52 UTC

^ made me laugh

2019-07-29 20:45:41 UTC
2019-07-30 19:02:21 UTC

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2019-08-01 14:06:06 UTC

Bullshit article ๐Ÿ˜‚

2019-08-01 14:06:06 UTC

GG @Impactic, you just advanced to level 1!

2019-08-01 14:08:06 UTC

Cummings in that video calls his area drug infested and called his residents zombies

2019-08-01 23:28:53 UTC

It's almost like a person's character, intent, and reputation (as well as context) have an impact on how their words are interpreted...

2019-08-01 23:30:06 UTC

Known racist says something that seems racist at face value? Probably racist.

2019-08-02 00:36:49 UTC

Terrible logic

2019-08-02 00:37:18 UTC

to operate on

2019-08-02 01:13:58 UTC

I'm glad we live in a post race world ruled by orange people

2019-08-02 09:15:11 UTC

to be fair the red dragon needs to take some punishment for once (the tariffs)

2019-08-02 09:32:28 UTC

China is an overflowing porta potty

2019-08-02 09:32:40 UTC

But these tarrifs hurt us too

2019-08-02 09:33:08 UTC

This is also encouraging China to have a closer relationship with Russia

2019-08-02 09:33:15 UTC

It's bad stuff

2019-08-02 23:29:37 UTC

so what do you suggest

2019-08-03 03:58:58 UTC

Stop buying shit from China if its hurting you. Buy American toys. Stop giving people lead poison.

2019-08-03 04:01:09 UTC

People complain about American jobs and then buy a iPhone. Wake up and realize its not China thats the problem. Hell its not even the corporations. Its YOU the consumer

2019-08-03 04:06:25 UTC

that's incorrect because individuals make no difference in globalization

2019-08-03 04:21:56 UTC

its not the consumer

2019-08-03 04:21:59 UTC

its your government

2019-08-03 04:22:14 UTC

theres no good reason for them to have allowed the deindustrialisation of america

2019-08-03 07:07:01 UTC

@Green Syndicalism *deindustrialization *America *There's

2019-08-03 07:12:00 UTC

why arent you correcting capitalisations?

2019-08-03 07:12:15 UTC

and full stops?

2019-08-03 07:12:23 UTC

you're a pretty bad grammar nazi

2019-08-03 07:13:33 UTC

Dude read eats, shoots, and leaves

2019-08-03 07:14:53 UTC

@Green Syndicalism *Why *aren't *capitalizations *You're

2019-08-03 07:15:51 UTC

Correct this.

2019-08-03 07:16:02 UTC

Youโ€™re a bad grammar Nazi

2019-08-03 07:20:41 UTC

Youโ€™re a bad grammar Nazi.*

2019-08-03 07:20:49 UTC

you forgot the full stop

2019-08-03 10:07:57 UTC

Lol

2019-08-03 11:30:19 UTC

Yes they do. If people woke up today and decided not to by Chineses product than industry i America would grow. How do you think companies go bankrupt? Do you think Blockbuster just ran out of money? No people stoped renting DVDs and started streaming.

2019-08-03 11:46:12 UTC

Trump has been betrayed, triple crossed, backstabbed, surrounded by Democratic liars!

2019-08-03 11:47:26 UTC

If Trump is disbarred out of the White House, I will kill myself!

2019-08-03 16:54:48 UTC

Please do. It's nice when the trash takes itself out for a change.

2019-08-03 21:17:12 UTC

Ok @Dr.Cosby You sir are beyond debating. Youโ€™re just offending people for no good reason. Youโ€™re such a hypocrite, going out of your way to call people trolls and then you come along and troll others in the worst way possible.

2019-08-03 21:17:44 UTC

Youโ€™ve told me to fuck myself, and youโ€™ve told this person to kill themselves. How are you not a troll?

2019-08-03 21:17:55 UTC

And God knows how many others youโ€™ve done this shit to.

2019-08-03 23:29:31 UTC

@Dr.Cosby I am not trash!

2019-08-03 23:29:40 UTC

I am a sane human being!

2019-08-04 04:06:23 UTC

@Deleted User what if Donald Trump is legally and fairly voted out of office and charged with obstruction of justice.

2019-08-04 04:11:17 UTC

If Trump is impeached he becomes a martyr. Unless a video comes out where he's literally having sex with children (and even then), it will always be some kind of conspiracy...

2019-08-04 04:12:52 UTC

"I could stand in the middle of fifth avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn't lose any voters"

2019-08-04 04:13:20 UTC

Imagine the confidence that comes with saying *any* voters

2019-08-04 04:23:39 UTC

@Shockwave Then this is the end of America!

2019-08-04 04:24:16 UTC

Do you think people felt that way when Clinton stepped out of office? @Deleted User

2019-08-04 05:41:21 UTC

Is Trump doing a great job in foreign policies today in the US? What should be the purpose of the american foreign policies?

2019-08-04 05:47:00 UTC

No. @Archatton Trump has engaged in isolationist policies like pulling out of NATO, instigating a trade war with China, and ending communications or support for allies of ours.
The purpose of American Foreign Policy should be to assist our allies for the benefit of trade and safety. Additionally we should be focused on ending conflict to lessen death and high end spending.

2019-08-04 05:51:37 UTC

Trump is doing a bad job at just about everything

2019-08-04 06:00:02 UTC

I won't take any non-argumented answer @Dr.Cosby :3

2019-08-04 06:38:47 UTC

trumpey good becoz the economy all time high

2019-08-04 09:14:28 UTC

*patpat* depends for who I guess @waiting for silksong :3

2019-08-04 09:56:51 UTC

@Dr.Cosby bad job by what metrics and in comparison to who?

2019-08-04 10:00:50 UTC

I'm glad the victims of mass shootings in Ohio and Texas are dead! That's what they get for messing with Trump all damn day!

2019-08-04 10:29:13 UTC

@Deleted User you have kids, Vaati?

2019-08-04 10:33:11 UTC

Well someone's kids were killed tonight.

2019-08-04 10:33:20 UTC

Someones dad, mom.

2019-08-04 10:33:45 UTC

How about you stop jerking your dick and quit acting like a dickhead to fellow Americans.

2019-08-04 12:12:37 UTC

Sucks we are living in a world that is ever more growing egotistical and narcisistic. Also applying race as a political talking point to judge the character of an individual just because of recent events. This has been on going issue for thousands of years, yet we just dont seem to come to the conclusion that whats most important is not the color of your skin. It is the context of your character and actions that make you who you are as an individual. Nobody brings up quotes from the past anymore because they may have forgotten it. Oh yea "Forgotten" because thats what most people say now a-days when asked 'Whats the 2nd amendment?" ;Answer - "Uhh., i forgot".

2019-08-04 15:14:35 UTC

@Shockwave Mass shootings are an American Tradition! So why don't you mind your own business?

2019-08-04 17:06:16 UTC

Premature death isnโ€™t an American tradition. @Deleted User @!GoldenKingship! okay but you say that, and thatโ€™s great Iโ€™d love to avoid the race concept. But I think what I said is a good talking point for the people who want to say that Antifa or other groups in general are more notoriously violent.

2019-08-04 17:49:48 UTC

once an antifa guy punched someone i think

2019-08-04 17:50:33 UTC

Welcome to political opposition

2019-08-04 17:50:47 UTC

It can lead to conflicts usually

2019-08-04 17:56:00 UTC

There shall be no war against White Supremacy!

2019-08-04 17:58:45 UTC

Can we just solve issues without violence?

2019-08-04 17:58:45 UTC

any centrists in here

2019-08-04 17:59:15 UTC

Can we just use a civil way of solving problems?

2019-08-04 17:59:27 UTC

nah government system suc

2019-08-04 17:59:52 UTC

Like i get what Antifa is trying to say and i agree with at least half of it but...

2019-08-04 18:00:08 UTC

Can you just not assault people?

2019-08-04 18:00:14 UTC

they trigger right wing reactionaries when they punch a white supremacist

2019-08-04 18:00:26 UTC

๐Ÿคท

2019-08-04 18:00:49 UTC

Some people do blow it out of proportion i agree

2019-08-04 18:01:04 UTC

But Antifa also doesn't go about their message the right way

2019-08-04 18:01:26 UTC

They're a few steps away from downright terrorism at this point

2019-08-04 18:01:31 UTC

uhh

2019-08-04 18:01:42 UTC

i mean the alt-right is already there

2019-08-04 18:01:46 UTC

i think theyre far from a few steps

2019-08-04 18:02:11 UTC

Listen extremists values exist all over the spectrum

2019-08-04 18:02:17 UTC

From left to right

2019-08-04 18:02:20 UTC

o no is he a centrist

2019-08-04 18:02:32 UTC

No i'm not

2019-08-04 18:02:32 UTC

left "extreme" values are nowhere as bad as right

2019-08-04 18:02:50 UTC

Well depends on what those values are

2019-08-04 18:02:56 UTC

What their message is

2019-08-04 18:03:03 UTC

ok like getting men to cut their dicks off because theyre misogynists or what

2019-08-04 18:03:12 UTC

im not seeing them

2019-08-04 18:03:33 UTC

Wait some people actually said that?

2019-08-04 18:03:38 UTC

no idk

2019-08-04 18:03:46 UTC

Phew

2019-08-04 18:03:54 UTC

or god forbid non straight people wanting to be referred to as...

2019-08-04 18:03:56 UTC

*they*

2019-08-04 18:04:25 UTC

Alright so what i'm saying is to not just look at it from left to right kind of deal

2019-08-04 18:04:38 UTC

the right is the problem though

2019-08-04 18:04:39 UTC

But also consider how they wanna go about their ideals

2019-08-04 18:04:52 UTC

For example with the right and white nationalism

2019-08-04 18:05:06 UTC

and the left wing and..

2019-08-04 18:05:07 UTC

With the left a possible authoritarian regime

2019-08-04 18:05:07 UTC

GG @waiting for silksong, you just advanced to level 4!

2019-08-04 18:05:12 UTC

uh

2019-08-04 18:05:17 UTC

thats like 0.0001% of the left

2019-08-04 18:05:17 UTC

Or maybe an anarchist one

2019-08-04 18:05:26 UTC

and nobody wants actual anarchy

2019-08-04 18:05:49 UTC

I'm not saying that the left has as much evil people as the right

2019-08-04 18:05:56 UTC

..............

2019-08-04 18:06:27 UTC

I'm saying that the extremist right was able to garner more supporters than the extremist left

2019-08-04 18:06:36 UTC

whats the extremist left

2019-08-04 18:06:57 UTC

can you point to a significant group on the left who advocates for any extreme harmful views

2019-08-04 18:07:00 UTC

An anarcho liberal for example

2019-08-04 18:07:19 UTC

k

2019-08-04 18:07:46 UTC

It doesn't have as much supporters as the white supremacy

2019-08-04 18:07:55 UTC

But it still exists

2019-08-04 18:08:02 UTC

And god i hate it

2019-08-04 18:08:20 UTC

The extreme left also claims that the U.S. is a patriarchy

2019-08-04 18:08:21 UTC

Anyway

2019-08-04 18:08:37 UTC

Glad that we have mostly sensible people in the political spectrum

2019-08-04 18:08:42 UTC

Mostly

2019-08-04 18:08:48 UTC

the us is an oligarchy

2019-08-04 18:09:31 UTC

That's true

2019-08-04 18:09:49 UTC

Itโ€™s a democracy

2019-08-04 18:09:49 UTC

GG @James McKinnon, you just advanced to level 4!

2019-08-04 18:10:03 UTC

wait nvm its fine that the koch bros and pharma/health insurance companies can buy out political influence

2019-08-04 18:10:18 UTC

that sounds pretty democratic to me

2019-08-04 18:10:28 UTC

It's not a true democracy if a small group of people actually choose the course a country takes

2019-08-04 18:10:40 UTC

and clearly it worked because people like you probably support charlie kirk who get donos form the kochs!

2019-08-04 18:10:48 UTC

and think that the us is real democratic

2019-08-04 18:10:49 UTC

somehow

2019-08-04 18:11:27 UTC

The U.S is a democracy. Everyone from the illegal immigrants to Bill Gates has some say in the U.S.

2019-08-04 18:11:34 UTC

yup

2019-08-04 18:11:39 UTC

even in their concentration camps

2019-08-04 18:11:54 UTC

they should have stayed in their home country and died in the war tbh

2019-08-04 18:11:58 UTC

Dude we donโ€™t have concentration camps

2019-08-04 18:12:03 UTC

That seems to be the case but let's look a bit deeper than that

2019-08-04 18:12:05 UTC

The "dangers" of the "extreme left" are mostly hypothetical. I don't have statistics to pull out, but anecdotally there's an undeniable issue with violence from right groups and not much on the left

2019-08-04 18:12:28 UTC

And what about Black Lives Matter?

2019-08-04 18:12:35 UTC

The US is more a plutocracy btw

2019-08-04 18:12:35 UTC

Liberal has become a buzzword by all vaguely conservative people

2019-08-04 18:12:36 UTC

For example with presidential campaigns

2019-08-04 18:12:43 UTC

uhhhh

2019-08-04 18:12:53 UTC

BLM does some dumb shit but the movement is good

2019-08-04 18:12:59 UTC

No itโ€™s not

2019-08-04 18:13:02 UTC

how is it not

2019-08-04 18:13:03 UTC

Black Lives Matter is it's own thing too

2019-08-04 18:13:13 UTC

do you think racism in the US doesn't exist on a wide enough scale

2019-08-04 18:13:15 UTC

A president should work for the interests of the citizens and not just the wealthy

2019-08-04 18:13:24 UTC

^^^^

2019-08-04 18:13:25 UTC

And that becomes evident in campaigns

2019-08-04 18:13:28 UTC

A president will work for the wealthy

2019-08-04 18:13:32 UTC

unfortunately

2019-08-04 18:13:34 UTC

It is the elite that controls the country

2019-08-04 18:13:38 UTC

Corporations and such

2019-08-04 18:13:57 UTC

and thats why were marxists

2019-08-04 18:13:57 UTC

BLM is a radical group who calls for killing of the exact same people who protect this country.

2019-08-04 18:13:57 UTC

The only use most people have is to generate support

2019-08-04 18:14:02 UTC

And to vote for electors

2019-08-04 18:14:04 UTC

awesome

2019-08-04 18:14:08 UTC

can you say something of substance

2019-08-04 18:14:27 UTC

like if you could elaborate or even better say something that has an actual meaning

2019-08-04 18:14:36 UTC

Guys guys let's all chill for a sec

2019-08-04 18:14:41 UTC

If youโ€™re talking to me then just take a look at Ferguson.

2019-08-04 18:14:46 UTC

>implying cops protect the country

2019-08-04 18:14:48 UTC

yeah im gonna have a heated gamer moment

2019-08-04 18:14:52 UTC

but its fine because of the context

2019-08-04 18:14:58 UTC

They enforce the law on a local level

2019-08-04 18:15:02 UTC

Stop inflating their role lmao

2019-08-04 18:15:04 UTC

What I don't like about BLM is the vocal minority who talk about killing cops and stuff

2019-08-04 18:15:07 UTC

One black man was shot by a white officer. The city practically burned.

2019-08-04 18:15:13 UTC

Ferguson? That's a bad example

2019-08-04 18:15:14 UTC

there are many stats

2019-08-04 18:15:14 UTC

BECAUSE of BLM

2019-08-04 18:15:24 UTC

that show that the legal system and police

2019-08-04 18:15:25 UTC

The situation was handled poorly

2019-08-04 18:15:42 UTC

i dont agree when BLM the decentralized group

2019-08-04 18:15:48 UTC

commits violince and whatnot

2019-08-04 18:15:58 UTC

but their aim is good

2019-08-04 18:15:59 UTC

Ok no. There is racism, and I hate racism just as much as anyone else would.

2019-08-04 18:16:00 UTC

That puts BLM in the wrong does it not

2019-08-04 18:16:08 UTC

The effects are what matters

2019-08-04 18:16:12 UTC

Not what they wanted to do

2019-08-04 18:16:22 UTC

And the effects were catastrophic

2019-08-04 18:16:22 UTC

its a decentralized group

2019-08-04 18:16:24 UTC

?????

2019-08-04 18:16:30 UTC

what do you mean that puts blm in the wrong

2019-08-04 18:16:31 UTC

Then BLM is in the wrong

2019-08-04 18:16:34 UTC

It is a mob

2019-08-04 18:16:41 UTC

A decentralized mob

2019-08-04 18:17:02 UTC

BLM has already done good

2019-08-04 18:17:10 UTC

it raised a nationwide conversation and awareness

2019-08-04 18:17:12 UTC

about the problem

2019-08-04 18:17:14 UTC

has it not?

2019-08-04 18:17:33 UTC

It kinda did tbh

2019-08-04 18:17:43 UTC

you can't say weLL Even iF iTs DEcEntrAliZEd thAT doEsNt ExCusE iT bECause They SHoulDn'T bE DEcEntralIZed

2019-08-04 18:18:07 UTC

I don't support violence but the racism issue needs to be addressed

2019-08-04 18:18:55 UTC

The racism problem stems from the culture of many African Americans

2019-08-04 18:18:58 UTC

BLM May have had good intentions but they go about things the wrong way

2019-08-04 18:19:21 UTC

Speaking of racism apparently the NYPDs automated system to detect crimes has many flaws

2019-08-04 18:19:21 UTC

It perpetuates crime and glorifies it among young black men since childhood

2019-08-04 18:19:24 UTC

yes bink and why do they have "bad culture"

2019-08-04 18:19:24 UTC

White privilege is a myth

2019-08-04 18:19:30 UTC

uhhh

2019-08-04 18:19:43 UTC

awesome white privilege doesnt mean white people intrinsically have privilege

2019-08-04 18:20:00 UTC

Jewish privilege ๐Ÿค”

2019-08-04 18:20:03 UTC

it means on average white people get benefits because white people werent oppressed in the past and present like black people

2019-08-04 18:20:19 UTC

The honest truth is that there is still segregation in society

2019-08-04 18:20:29 UTC

Of course there is

2019-08-04 18:20:29 UTC

uM actUally SlaverY 200 YEAR aGo

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