it's like a less extreme form of dirigisme

democratic socialism isnt about immediate shut down of private ownership thought

they should not be allowed to vote

He wants to make it ok for people to illegally cross the border another radical policy

rapists and murderers should die

Just because you murder someone doesn’t mean you’re a bad person

they should get no say whatsoever

they don't feel socialism should be forced on people, but they are fundamentally anti-capitalist and believe the government should urge privately owned businesses toward granting workers as much control as possible

thats what ds is

i don't really care if you're not that bad of a person

you should not get to vote

Criminals are mentally unstable should not vote

Who*

But where has Bernie said he wants to have the workers own the means of production? @j j

He's definitely a reformist, but he doesn't seem to be advocating for that to be the eventual goal

im not bernie

So the people who know the conditions of jail should not be able to vote ???

i dont follow his every move

I know

he's not a socialist

^

but you think that would be important

he's a democratic socialist

wait

yes we are saying that

which is basically capitalism

.

no

its not

Yes

it is

but with benefits

yes it is

it's like saying Norway isn't capitalist

or Dirigisme isn't capitalist

they have very free markets

you didnt add the with benefits part-

i agree with you now

But that isn't important

capitalism w benefits

yea

i thought you meant bare capitalism

what

i mean

what's the point of arguing with you if you just agree

why are you arguing with me

lol what

aren't we meant to reach a middle ground

because you said Bernie was a socialist and not a capitalist

either that or win

democratic socialist*

he's neither

yes

democratic socialist

that isn't a middle ground that's completely agreeing

i never said socialist

Demsoc whatever

**demsoc**

believing in democracy doesn't make you not want public ownership of the means of production

"At the root of our socialism is a profound commitment to democracy, as means and end. As we are unlikely to see an immediate end to capitalism tomorrow, DSA fights for reforms today that will weaken the power of corporations and increase the power of working people." -dsa website

you obvi havent looked into what democratic socialism is

bruh

"weaken the power of corporations and increase the power of working people"

is NOT

capitalism

I don't think demsocs aren't socialists

that's the point I just literally made

.

you can be pro capitalism but anti corporatism

I'm saying *Bernie* isn't actually a socialist, or a demsoc or whatever

oh

I don’t see sanders having a chance in hell of beating trump

.

well-

@Kenpachi well see

you're saying he's not demsoc?

Not really

I could see Biden and Bloomberg have a low shot but not Bernie

he's basically just a capitalist who wants it to be regulated more radically than others

Do u guys think Bernie will be the nominee though that’s my prediction

He will

Bloomberg isn’t winning

I think Bernie has the only path to nomination right now

bidens not even doing well with the democrats lol

Biden can barely speak

hes not gonna beat trump

only old people like biden smh

As a person I like Bernie

It’s either Bernie wins or brokered convention

He’s truly for the people

^

The only thing I will give Bernie credit on is that he has been consistent with his policies for the last 40 years so I agree with any of them hell no

well

everyone has an opinion ig

At least Bernie has maintained a relatively stable track record

but being genuine =/= being right

I don’t see his policies resonating with blue collar workers middle class farmers construction workers the Midwest women older Americans the people you need to win over to win an election I don’t see his positions resonating with the minority community African Americans latinos hispanics I don’t see it working with them either

didnt trump switch partys less than a decade ago

I hate it when people try to appeal to minority groups

it really annoys me

yes

agreed

just treat them like regular people smh

We don't owe them anything

oop-

we disagree for different reasons

What

I think trump has a great chance at winning record minority support for a republican with lowest African American unemployment criminal justice reform opprutunity zones

They stay here in countries we build and act like we need to keep giving them more and more and treat them better than we treat people who are actually our own people.

what

are you english? @Deleted User

I wish the best for them but they really need to stop trying to get more and more power

@j j I'm from America

no i mean

African Americans hate Trump

ur ancestors

ur ethnicity

i'm just broadly western european

Dems have really done *so much* for blacks

GG @qwasi, you just advanced to level 32!

my dads side came here in the 1800s from germany and my moms side came in the 50's from scotland

Neither party has done shit for blacks

so its not ur country then right

yet they blindly vote Dem time after time

since ur people came 200+ years late

Who else should they vote for???

or ur family

At least Democrats try to act like they care

"try to act"

It is doe

good description

no its not

Trump cares

in fact many blacks families were here

before your family was

if anything its their country

^

GG @AETA, you just advanced to level 3!

compared to you

What are you using as a metric to judge who's country the country is?

Like when you came here?

My family fought in the civil war

yes

And I’m african american

how long your family has worked

That's kinda cringe

in the country

or fought

for the country

did ur family fight from independence from britain?

or fight in the civil war?

no

But to be naturalized in America the criteria for the time was set forward

yeah so

why are you saying we as if

most minorities arent

naturalized

i'm talking about criteria for immigrants to be naturalized

yeah its like 9 years or something

But back then

I can't recall whatever the immigration act was for that time

yes because it doesnt matter

I think white people should surrender all their worldly belongings to minorities since they deserve it more than white people do

ik the 1790 and 1795 immigration acts were "white men of good character" and "white men of good moral character"

they are the majority of the world 😳 @qwasi

mhm

Even look at schools democrats want minority’s to stay in government schools when the president is for school choice why should minorities be forced to go to failing schools when they can have school choice

yes, and white people should surrender all their worldly belongings to them

no because thats weird

and people shouldnt make decisions based on race

Why? You don't want to give up your Nintendo and Bubble Gum?

Trump has a record that will appeal to minorities this election

no i do not

although nintendo is japanese

racist bigot

<:nou:583247407165341696>

no one here was arguing for reparations

your people stole this country from Native Americans

uh

yes

So now give it the fuck back

Native Americans didn’t believe they could own land

So technically they never claimed it

Shut up Indian, leave the Neanderthals alone

thats not how owning countries work anymore

its not based on country of origin

make amends by giving all your stuff to a poor person of color

Lol

Love my fellow capitalist

interesting

either give all your stuff away or you're a hypocrite

what point are you trying to make

because no one says that

hes being ironic

idk what hes doing

just souunds retarded

LOL

let him tire himself out

lmao

he thinks he's being a smartass

go ahead

why'd you stop?

Darvey

you're all 16 years old and super close to being braindead

ok

and?

how old are u

older than you

im 67

are you older than that

😎

i'm 68

.

is your pfp a picture of you?

no

you look very gay

its not me

is that pfp a picture of you

timothee

chalamet

yessir @ashnaa

"Hi, I'm 12 years old and think I have everything figured out because Bernie is a nice old man that wants to help everyone by giving them free stuff"

https://tenor.com/view/vince-mc-mahon-gulp-gulps-nervous-uh-oh-gif-16217862

Shit still no images

so ur 12

?

I thought it was fixed

We need monarchy

ew

o

monarchies arent cool

what kind

of monarchy

unless ur rich

@qwasi so you prefer Trump over Bernie?

COSBY

YES

😌

Bernie is a moron

and people who follow him are naive, gullible fools

we love to generalize

🙈

Trump is a moron

and people who follow him are naive, gullible fools

Light constaional

Like bordering absolute

The new people here are typical Discorditards

wtf happened to this server

Ok boomer

Confirmed boomer