If you acknowledge Muslims in the past contributed greatly to our society today, then you provide reason to believe that Muslims today can contribute greatly to society as well

And my experience is that such people exist

And America is greater for them

I don't think you're listening to my points

anecdotal evidence is irrelevant

your points are against the religion itself

You're points are only covering Islam as an overarching entity and not down to the individual, which is what Yuri is talking about.

which none of us are advocating for

my point is, that is how Muslims behave when they are the majority

and you aren't acknowledging her points

or well, weren't

There's definitely more nuance there.

yes, anecdotally individual Muslims have contributed to society, big fucking deal

when Muslims are the majority, they make treat women as second class citizens, kill gays, etc. etc

you guys think if we just let them come and just be nice everything will be cool

JUST BE NICE

lol.

the issue is with the leadership there

i kinda agree tbh

if muslims are a majority there is 70% chance that there would radical islamic revolt

This is what I joined the conversation to counter: "I don't know why I'd want to go to every single Muslim and see if they commit a crime or not when it'd just be easier to remove all of them and it'd cause like no harm to the country"

The culture also plays a factor to be fair, which is why people coming to the US should assimilate at least to an extent.

yes, integration is key

Muslims should be deported

and they do get assimilated. not opinion, based on fact.

I'm not saying we shouldn't limit immigration, but to argue that we should get rid of what we have is reprehensible

look at sweden

Then quasi argued we don't need Muslim physicians when i know that we do.

we don't need specifically Muslim physicians

a physician can be non barbarian and be just as good

Right, nobodies saying bring in only Muslim physicians though

I totally endorse integration

Just don't bar Muslims specifically because they're Muslim.

The Muslims I have interacted with are intrgrating/have integrated

Hell, I've sipped wine with Muslim friends 🥂

so qwasi, you would prefer a shortage of physicians over physicians with a different set of beliefs?

this is why anecdotal evidence is useless though

your experience with a handful of people is meaningless

i posted a study showing that integration is happening

and they do get assimilated

lol

You're the one using inflammatory language like "barbarian"

ok how was the study performed

https://dash.harvard.edu/bitstream/handle/1/4481625/Norris_MuslimIntegration.pdf?sequence=1

here you go

once again

did they ask "hey, you cool with not chopping hands off anymore bruh?"

and the Muslim answers, "Sure, bruh, no more chopping"

also, I'm not saying the study isn't accurate, but I trust Harvard on this particular topic about as much as I trust Yuri's anecdotal evidence

that is to say, not a whole lot

To be a Muslim, you technically must do/believe only five things. None of them relate to Sharia. Muslims can integrate and still be Muslims. And many do.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Pillars_of_Islam

Just as Christians and even Jews can take an historical view on certain elemets of Leviticus

So again, in my experience, the concern is fanaticism not any particular religion per se. And yes, I believe we should be selective in who we permit into the country and one of the "rule out criteria" should be to keep out zealots of all flavors. But that's just moderate little scientific me.

that study took their evidence from a multitude of different sources though. here's one: http://www.worldvaluessurvey.org/WVSDocumentationWV4.jsp this shows that societies with different majority religions do have distincitve and different values, but within the same society, the difference between the different religions are proven to be relatively much smaller.

i provided that source as you can read through the sampling and methodology yourself if you don't believe it.

I guess all you're really saying is that some Muslims can be good people

sure, ok

just like some Nazis were probably good people

https://twitter.com/lsarsour/status/598327052727615488

oh look, a progressive "moderate" Muslim advocating for Sharia law

https://twitter.com/lsarsour/status/598326262218813440

and again

https://twitter.com/lsarsour/status/719301817771892737

and again

https://twitter.com/lsarsour/status/484513285921046529

https://twitter.com/lsarsour/status/460997541925244928

again, same user, one individual, and also this is twitter. if that's your source for valid info pls go back to the 3rd grade

you don't know how to argue

says the one who's reasoning is comparable to that of a 3 year old

She's a very high profile American Muslim, most consider progressive and "woke"

and she's advocating for Sharia

if Yuri can bring up her anecdotal evidence why is this inadmissible?

She gave facts and sources along with anecdotal evidence

You're presenting us with the twitter of one high profile american muslim

I did too, you just don't like my facts

and what facts did you give?

the pew study

link it pls

https://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/the-worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-beliefs-about-sharia/

also, we're all well aware of how majority Muslim countries behave

it's not like it's a secret

"i guess picking up on sarcasm isn't easy for everyone. sharia isn't taking over america which is what many in the right spew"

from the same account

she's mocking people for being afraid of Sharia

she is very clearly an advocate for Sharia

that's well known

i mean... that doesn't mean she supports it

but

yeah

i can see how she may be an advocate for it

advocating doesn't equal supporting?

wut

no i meant her mocking people for being afraid of sharia 'taking over'

it's well known she's an advocate of Sharia, that's not just me saying that

mocking people for not wanting your barbaric belief system to 'take over' is incredibly immature and only fuels the divide

yeah there may be some muslims who believe in sharia law, but that doesn't refute the fact that on a larger scale, they get integrated and share the values of the society they are living in

have you seen the video where Steven Crowder goes to Dearborn Michigan Muslim owned businesses, (Dearborn is the largest Muslim population in the United States), under the pretense that he is a homosexual and tries to get them to provide services to him?

of course they refuse

because they're so "integrated"

okay, so i should take the word of a steven crowder video over a harvard study with multiple sources that cite their methodology.

got it.

No, no, keep trusting the Muslims, I don't care

@qwasi "barbaric belief system."


Tell me, qwasi, which religion are you a part of?

lol, they tell him to go to Kroger

lolol

Because right now i can tell you that Islam is not the only religion that you can accuse of such things

sorry, your "arguments" are boring

also, you have no roles

and an anime pfp

so gfy

You have the reasoning of a 3 year old, of course my arguments are boring to you

uh huh

can you mock Christianity without the fear of retribution?

Most Americans have their biases baked in pretty hard. I've said my peace and will respect that everyone in this conversation has agreed to disagree.

what about Islam?

what would happen if someone mocked Islam or Muhammed?

As the crusades show, Christianity can also be accused of a lot of crimes, as the Pope and the Church have been known to be corrupt many times.

wow, the Crusades

lol

And the sale of indulgences

how old are you?

I'd rather not reveal my age

these are arguments often brought up by 18 yr olds

well, that's a decent step ahead of you then

wow, you got me

Christians themselves say that they are subject to persecution

^^

So yes, there is a lot of backlash against mocking Christians

like what?

Like having a Fatwa placed on your head like Salman Rushdie did?

that kind of backlash?

or getting shot at for drawing Jesus?

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/shooting-outside-draw-muhammad-contest-texas-n352996

yeah, I don't think so

maybe you mean someone gets on Twitter and says, "Hey, don't talk mean about Jesus!"

If you can't see the actions of our own President and his followers. The bullying that is now going on of those who advocate for our First Amendment right to be free of state-supported religion. Then I got nothing for you.

say what?

what does that have to do with what I just said

you claimed there is backlash against mocking Christianity

Yes

is it even REMOTELY comparable to the backlash a person faces for mocking Islam?

Yes

lol

you're lost

i know you probably have good intentions

but political correctness has warped your mind

In communities people who stand out against a majority fundamentalist Christian community can be bullied horribly

give me an example

That's not really a bad thing tbh

what isn't?

I'm going to bed. If qwasi wants to consider that to be me folding, he's welcome to. I'm tired and I have more work to do. We're going seven days a week now. Fun times with Corona-chan.

id say islamophobia faces more backlash as it is more common.

what is Corona-chan?

a bot for corona stats

covid-19 clearly

its a bot for corona stats @ashnaa

Shaming people

wait ni

no its covid

https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/corona-chan

frick

Kicking people out of society for religious reasons @qwasi

you're a cultured doctor, respect @DrYuriMom

meme lord nice

Hey, if we can't chan-chan anything and everything, life isn't worth living

@Deleted User the problem is, the woke zombie horde will happily let all these people in that fucking hate us so they can feel morally superior, then when the people that hate us outnumber us, they'll unleash the 1500s on us

https://knowyourmeme.com/photos/1584204-gijinka-moe-anthropomorphism

That's true

this is why women should NEVER be in charge of defending ANYTHING

they'd willfully give it all up because they just wanna be nice

they have a worldview that is partly based in reality, but mostly based in a fantasy world

G'night folks. I'm going to go dream of cute anime virus girls. beats the hell out of the reality...

SEE!!

lol

I think it's because guys always go out of their way to be nice to females because they want to fuck them

so women just think everyone is nice

lol

hahahahahha you're just jealous

😭 making me cry w that assumption

lololol

based on what I've heard from this guy he really isn't lol

yea im just being an emotional woman

lol

Kinda redundant tbh

lol

you could have just said woman

^

it isn't that women *never* use logic, it's just that emotions rule the day with you guys

political correctness works especially well on females

lmaooo

allah

uh

okeh

Just because women are more influenced by their emotions doesn't mean they shouldn't be able to be in charge of defending anything? What. It is true, but it's miniscule to the point where it doesn't make sense to be weaponized. For instance, there were plenty of warrior queens in human history that literally fought on the battlefield. You're acting like they aren't able have the same perspective as you. 😬

Wait let me also bring a point up. Women are physically by nature weaker then men, but do you not see them participate in sports? You don't make any sense.

I mean, are the women in this server crying over what you said right now? 🙄

... Crickets.

I mean youre responding to something said 10 hours ago maybe it shouldnt be that suprising to wait for a response

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Women are just easier targets for mass propaganda and are more vulnerable to things such as social stigma

And becouse of this they are more targeted by progaganda

Which enhaces th

*Enhances the effect

Really can't wrap my heads around why'd the government would say the refugees are children, mother instincts are not real /s

@Throttles miss you too matey

You see them participate in sports, ok

So?

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ALLAHUAKBARR

the amount of misogyny in this channel is really gross

There isn't enough of it

U trippin

what else could we expect from this place? this server is 99% racist incel conservatives who do nothing but say “trump 2020” and insult anyone who is trying to have an intelligent conversation or debate

And youre a democrat.

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At least we aren’t commies

Better dead than red

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@Katze Miaulitzer

R u democratic

Even though I am red

If you look at my roles you’d see

Democrat I mean

TRUMP 2020

fuck Bernie

Ok ur republican good

Amen yes

TRUMP 2020

You're confusing people like me with conservatives

I would die for Bernie

The racist people aren't the incels they're the fascists

nice

Wise

Also you have to be legitimately braindead to think that anyone who doesn't fully buy into feminism is an incel

wait u guys arent incels?

I’m a republican/conservative

Trump gonna win

Incel is a term used for a specific group of people, like Eliot rodgers

Liberals getting triggered

Holy fucking shit guys shut the actual fuck up

We are having a conversation

Jesus

The left hasn’t done much to swing centrists

Holy fuck no one cares

You're probably too stupid to understand the connotations though if you unironically use that term in the way that you did

I wanna know why liberals think trump is racist here’s a tip for u HES NOT

amen

A hot Cheeto

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