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2019-06-21 00:05:25 UTC

>matt doesnt jump ship to competition

2019-06-21 00:05:43 UTC

@Matthew just sit on the competition

2019-06-21 00:06:12 UTC

@Pawp >leave federal government job

2019-06-21 00:06:14 UTC

Lol

2019-06-21 00:06:17 UTC

my bad

2019-06-21 00:06:20 UTC

i forgot you work for the government

2019-06-21 00:06:24 UTC

Top tier job

2019-06-21 00:06:43 UTC

7 more years and i get a pension

2019-06-21 00:06:54 UTC

If I were to retire, that is

2019-06-21 00:07:54 UTC

What time do you finish work, wagie? @Matthew

2019-06-21 00:08:03 UTC

7 minutes ago

2019-06-21 00:23:51 UTC

Who lookin' to get their salad tossed tonight

2019-06-21 00:27:44 UTC

<:sweat:558398774423191562>

2019-06-21 01:26:53 UTC

What do I win?

2019-06-21 01:27:05 UTC

<:30yo:589183955752845332>

2019-06-21 01:28:34 UTC

The chance to try again

2019-06-21 04:03:30 UTC

<:willshoot:447267819416190987>

2019-06-21 05:05:30 UTC

@Matthew This song upsets me

2019-06-21 08:55:01 UTC

whats up in world today

2019-06-21 08:55:25 UTC

other than iran shooting down us toys over their water lul

2019-06-21 09:30:46 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/531212403858472967/591560636715106304/aobzFXI.png

2019-06-21 09:47:02 UTC

@Matthew why did America back out there could've been war today

2019-06-21 09:51:49 UTC

most likely cause they know it was their fault and "save_face.exe" was activated

2019-06-21 11:46:17 UTC

@Tervy O B S E S S E D

2019-06-21 11:49:23 UTC

if fucking oil prices skyrocket again greece will convert to horses

2019-06-21 12:16:11 UTC

Then the horse feed price will rise too

2019-06-21 12:19:54 UTC

I think the horses will be grateful to be used for riding instead of fucking for once

2019-06-21 12:50:36 UTC

<:pepewot:589100642820161551>

2019-06-21 12:50:52 UTC

phil shouldnt affect us r-right?

2019-06-21 12:55:29 UTC

Oil companies will use any excuse to raise prices

2019-06-21 12:55:43 UTC

"Due to thunderstorms in cuba, prices will be raised..."

2019-06-21 12:56:12 UTC

greedy shits

2019-06-21 12:56:23 UTC

but here prices are over the top due to taxes as well

2019-06-21 12:56:44 UTC

Wouldn't have happened if you had paid debts

2019-06-21 12:57:13 UTC
2019-06-21 12:57:26 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/531212403858472967/591612647338934321/unknown.png

2019-06-21 12:57:47 UTC

2016 everyone like yeah my boy diesel sure is economical

2019-06-21 12:57:56 UTC

๐Ÿ˜†

2019-06-21 13:00:47 UTC

@Tervy "Make me"

2019-06-21 13:01:15 UTC

all this time and you didnt think better answer

2019-06-21 13:01:26 UTC

Don't need one.

2019-06-21 13:02:06 UTC

@Lefteris are you forgetting that diesel is about twice as efficient per unit of fuel as LPG

2019-06-21 13:03:32 UTC

when will I be able to pay alex jones to be a voice actor?

2019-06-21 13:09:13 UTC

He's said so much stuff that you can just cobble together whatever sentence you want like a vocaloid

2019-06-21 13:12:17 UTC

he could seriously voice some good shit

2019-06-21 13:13:16 UTC

kek

2019-06-21 13:18:56 UTC

diesel should be exlusive to heavy duty vehicles like trucks who need that big torque boy imo mr german

2019-06-21 13:19:32 UTC

cause your city may vary but ours is filled with euro 0 diesels that give cancer to whoever they drive by

2019-06-21 13:20:01 UTC

i dont ship lpg that much but its combustion is clean af

2019-06-21 13:22:02 UTC

LPG is pretty much dead in my country

2019-06-21 13:22:10 UTC

Well it never really catched on

2019-06-21 13:22:54 UTC

whats ur country dear

2019-06-21 13:23:00 UTC

Frankreich

2019-06-21 13:23:10 UTC

oh

2019-06-21 13:23:38 UTC

well frankreich didnt have a problem with fuels until recently

2019-06-21 13:24:00 UTC

and french made some good diesels so people were fine with them

2019-06-21 13:24:07 UTC

It got pretty much out of hand if you put the yellow vest protests in the equation

2019-06-21 13:24:17 UTC

yes "until recently"

2019-06-21 13:24:35 UTC

Well even without it, diesel price makes it really not interesting

2019-06-21 13:24:37 UTC

and the yellow vests was more of a political uprising waiting to happen

2019-06-21 13:25:12 UTC

Yeah, I say that but it'd probably have happened for another reason, albeit a bit later

2019-06-21 13:25:33 UTC

And now I'm glad I'm running on unleaded

2019-06-21 13:25:42 UTC

Though I'm starting to look into EV

2019-06-21 13:25:58 UTC

Because this price trend doesn't really looks like it's gonna change anytime soon

2019-06-21 13:27:17 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/531212403858472967/591620157135388672/essence_1991-2018.png

2019-06-21 13:27:42 UTC

Blue is unleaded, Black is diesel, Red is the difference between the two of them

2019-06-21 13:29:03 UTC

the new zoe looks really nice

2019-06-21 13:29:11 UTC

The Zoe is shit

2019-06-21 13:29:15 UTC

Pricewise

2019-06-21 13:29:24 UTC

It got a really bad quality/price ratio

2019-06-21 13:29:26 UTC

its cheap for the range it offers

2019-06-21 13:29:45 UTC

Well it's more like it's almost the only one in that range

2019-06-21 13:30:05 UTC

In France at least it's either cheaper but way smaller (C-Zero, Smart and such)

2019-06-21 13:30:28 UTC

c-zero cute af

2019-06-21 13:30:41 UTC

but really a only city car

2019-06-21 13:30:43 UTC

like the smart

2019-06-21 13:31:10 UTC

Or more expensive but bigger (Nissan Leaf, Opel and such)

2019-06-21 13:31:37 UTC

I'd be fine with the C-Zero if it wasn't that old

2019-06-21 13:31:43 UTC

It got 0 modern equipment

2019-06-21 13:33:23 UTC

its from 2010 oh jeez

2019-06-21 13:34:20 UTC

Yeah it's quite old even if you don't put it relatively to other EVs

2019-06-21 13:35:16 UTC

lmao Zoe is ass

2019-06-21 13:35:28 UTC

out of the few EVs I tried, Zoe didn't really offer ANYTHING

2019-06-21 13:35:47 UTC

What do you mean by that?

2019-06-21 13:35:53 UTC

at a slightly higher price you can get a Kia eNiro which is fucking loaded with options

2019-06-21 13:36:16 UTC

Errrrr

2019-06-21 13:36:17 UTC

Slightly?

2019-06-21 13:36:18 UTC

@Mereck the interior looked like a 10 year old Renault, the materials, the build quality, everything

2019-06-21 13:36:45 UTC

It's like almost 50% more expensive

2019-06-21 13:36:50 UTC

isn't it like 35k vs 45k eur?

2019-06-21 13:36:58 UTC

idk where you are but here nah

2019-06-21 13:37:00 UTC

at least that's local pricing for Zoe vs eNiro

2019-06-21 13:37:04 UTC

๐Ÿ‡จ๐Ÿ‡ฟ

2019-06-21 13:37:10 UTC

Starting price for Zoรฉ in France is around 20k

2019-06-21 13:37:15 UTC

(without any bonus)

2019-06-21 13:37:24 UTC

Kia e-Niro is more like 35k

2019-06-21 13:37:46 UTC

So sure it's better, but it's like... not "slightly" more expensive

2019-06-21 13:37:52 UTC

As for me I was looking into the Leaf

2019-06-21 13:38:06 UTC

But it's on par with that Kia

2019-06-21 13:38:09 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/531212403858472967/591622893834862592/rBQnk-sTpaD3oyLjGCLO8Zpt_vnyeicUmWFToXXoZBw3eyz2OMVYmOfulkC6GZ8bV3dluz1M-zJrW63MaraFP9bhzVu4LL61UlLR.png

2019-06-21 13:38:11 UTC

And I'm not about to fork that money

2019-06-21 13:38:13 UTC

Also

2019-06-21 13:38:17 UTC

this is just

2019-06-21 13:38:18 UTC

I'm ok with buying second hand

2019-06-21 13:38:19 UTC

ugh

2019-06-21 13:38:26 UTC

Zoรฉ second hand is cheap, but Leaf isn't

2019-06-21 13:38:27 UTC

new gen leaf?

2019-06-21 13:38:43 UTC

I heard Leaf, even new gen, sadly has pretty serious battery degradation problems

2019-06-21 13:38:46 UTC

If possible but even previous gen would be fine if it's in the more expensive models

2019-06-21 13:38:51 UTC

which has to do with the way they're cooling batteries

2019-06-21 13:39:03 UTC

Well shiet... it looked nice on the paper >_>

2019-06-21 13:39:05 UTC

IIRC Nissan air cools them, where as most other EVs these days do liquid cooling

2019-06-21 13:39:13 UTC

look up the issue I'm not entirely sure rn

2019-06-21 13:39:33 UTC

but a 4 or something year old first gen Leaf would have 50% capacity

2019-06-21 13:39:48 UTC

if only there was a market with aftermarket battery packs already

2019-06-21 13:39:56 UTC

only then can EVs truly "bloom"

2019-06-21 13:40:25 UTC

Apparently it's still air cooled on the new models

2019-06-21 13:40:44 UTC

They just say it's "better prepared"

2019-06-21 13:40:51 UTC

Not sure what that means

2019-06-21 13:41:21 UTC

But then I'd probably be using this car for commute and short/medium length travels (< 100km)

2019-06-21 13:41:25 UTC

if you can buy a 5 year old EV which used to have 300km range on paper (so like 250 realistically)

and put a brand new aftermarket battery pack inside which would raise that to 400km of real range

that would make EVs much more feasible for the average wagecuck

2019-06-21 13:41:34 UTC

So I'm not that much concerned on battery issues unless it's very severe

2019-06-21 13:42:14 UTC

well I'd expect the battery issues to become worse if you drive short distances, especially in summer

2019-06-21 13:42:40 UTC

seeing as there wouldn't be enough air circulation to properly cool them but I'm no genius so what the hell do I know ???

2019-06-21 13:42:44 UTC

I'd have thought the opposite?

2019-06-21 13:42:59 UTC

Since longer running time -> more likely to pack more heat

2019-06-21 13:43:11 UTC

as I said I'm <:brainlet:589104479887032330>

2019-06-21 13:43:18 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/531212403858472967/591624190096965672/6f5csd-8y-nvD4lFt_uTMhPO1ZB7D7ePDC0qytO4TclYSsUOoNr7SjOSWP-17LVOqRoiOkuQEGqUtzRS3jSOkbKQ2QdDxv9OY3CA.png

2019-06-21 13:43:23 UTC

this car genuinely blew me away tho

2019-06-21 13:43:27 UTC

for being a fucking Kia, even

2019-06-21 13:43:42 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/531212403858472967/591624289992572948/qBPLioz7WEK3_sOUG2v--0W8vEGE7ECBuCHJh83eZ548b1a04V9Bzj53W5DYGDMVKZCLRteEtBkdfMNs-i50eemgUbEXPa-blzxV.png

2019-06-21 13:43:58 UTC

Kia are nice

2019-06-21 13:43:59 UTC

so much space inside, too. rear seats had crazy amount of leg room and it still has a massive trunk

2019-06-21 13:44:29 UTC

both Kia and Hyundai progressed SO fucking hard in the past years

2019-06-21 13:44:37 UTC

Never saw that many Kia in my country, but then, France, buying french car just because and getting raped by servicing is customary

2019-06-21 13:44:53 UTC

>french
>getting raped

<:benis:239668961011040257>

2019-06-21 13:45:17 UTC

also

2019-06-21 13:45:45 UTC

>tfw I wasn't a big enough player at this event to be able to drive e-tron

2019-06-21 13:45:49 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/531212403858472967/591624822119858178/Z4N8wNJUPWJFjLJCQ4DAsauCZ1ISQMktdcXvx8JCj-XvAAfmwREyjC9kPtb1_eoooMQKdD1rnVEfOieT8gD8s35S4EP_-vQUOA-8.png

2019-06-21 13:45:51 UTC

sad

2019-06-21 13:46:00 UTC

Well I can book for a tesla drive

2019-06-21 13:46:25 UTC

There's a shop like 10 minutes (on foot) away from my workplace

2019-06-21 13:46:29 UTC

hey, actually, since you're french

2019-06-21 13:46:33 UTC

can you explain something to me

2019-06-21 13:46:52 UTC

But that price...

2019-06-21 13:46:56 UTC

Sure?

2019-06-21 13:46:59 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/531212403858472967/591625116518187008/unknown.png

2019-06-21 13:47:00 UTC

ONE QUESTION

2019-06-21 13:47:07 UTC

**WHY DOES THIS EXIST**

2019-06-21 13:47:15 UTC

Oh I forgot to tell you

2019-06-21 13:47:17 UTC

I'm half asian

2019-06-21 13:47:20 UTC

So I don't understand either

2019-06-21 13:47:23 UTC

kek

2019-06-21 13:47:29 UTC

I'm gonna say that's the reason

2019-06-21 13:47:32 UTC

it's a TWO SEATER

2019-06-21 13:47:42 UTC

It's gay af

2019-06-21 13:47:54 UTC

if you want armrests, bring a passenger... his knees are your armrests

2019-06-21 13:47:59 UTC

To be fair though there isn't much on the road except for very specific locations

2019-06-21 13:48:05 UTC

it has NO fucking suspension WHATSOEVER

2019-06-21 13:48:17 UTC

The only place you'd spot 'a lot' of them is central Paris

2019-06-21 13:48:34 UTC

Because it's nice to ride there and it'll be less of a pain to park

2019-06-21 13:48:35 UTC

our police uses it at the prague airport for transport inside the hallways lmao

2019-06-21 13:48:37 UTC

But that's it

2019-06-21 13:48:43 UTC

Wow

2019-06-21 13:48:51 UTC

Well that's a decent usage of it I guess

2019-06-21 13:48:54 UTC

which is why this one is full blown police colored

2019-06-21 13:49:11 UTC

I didn't drive this luckily

2019-06-21 13:49:14 UTC

but a colleague did

2019-06-21 13:49:24 UTC

he said he went over a speed bump at 25kmh

2019-06-21 13:49:38 UTC

and his passenger (one of the event dudes) hit his head on the ceiling

2019-06-21 13:49:52 UTC

Hahaha

2019-06-21 13:50:00 UTC

Looks fun to zip around in

2019-06-21 13:50:03 UTC

also lol

2019-06-21 13:50:13 UTC

one thing I will give to the Zoe, though - it had proper EV tyres

2019-06-21 13:50:23 UTC

which meant that even at 100km/h, you barely heard road noise

2019-06-21 13:50:51 UTC

whereas the Kia eNiro was equipped with "normal" tyres, and even at 90 already you could hear the tire "whizzing"

2019-06-21 13:50:52 UTC

Yeah that's one of the selling point of the Zoรฉ, the whole "no noise inside" shit

2019-06-21 13:50:57 UTC

on a highway it began to be annoying

2019-06-21 13:51:12 UTC

but IMO you can really fix most of that with better tyres

2019-06-21 13:51:44 UTC

But in all honesty though, right now it's still not that much interesting for me to buy an EV

2019-06-21 13:51:47 UTC

Even second hand

2019-06-21 13:51:51 UTC

this was fun too, a public beta test of Skoda Citigo EV

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/531212403858472967/591626341468602378/dccA5kW9oozWEMpuGBAjAM_zABfixU_2kRPhQFVE51wMD0hbnXIr4NbU5MrPOng1S0aWd730HJybED7Qklw4mKapGc-tRBQqpNc-.png

2019-06-21 13:52:07 UTC

I had to sign an NDA to drive this lmao

2019-06-21 13:52:15 UTC

suck my fucking balls, Skoda

2019-06-21 13:52:26 UTC

I calculated an ROI (against a similar fuel operated vehicle) of like 5+ years

2019-06-21 13:52:42 UTC

Never heard of this one, is it any good?

2019-06-21 13:52:57 UTC

I'm gonna report u to skoda

2019-06-21 13:52:59 UTC

back when I tested it, it was still unreleased officially and this was one of the like 6 cars produced for testing with companies who could potentially be customers

2019-06-21 13:53:19 UTC

it also had no price tag and no real range estimates

2019-06-21 13:53:32 UTC

but as a city-shitbox or a pizza delivery vehicle it would work extremely well

2019-06-21 13:53:36 UTC

sadly the pricing is way too high imo

2019-06-21 13:54:05 UTC

.
ล koda, a Czech automaker owned by Volkswagen, has unveiled today the Citigo iV, an all-electric city car that is expected to cost **less than $20,000.**

2019-06-21 13:54:20 UTC

.
265 km (165 miles) on the WLTP cycle is expected to result in roughly 200 km (125 miles) of real-world range.

2019-06-21 13:54:26 UTC

way too much for what it offers, IMO

2019-06-21 13:54:40 UTC

The charging capacity is limited to 40 kW on a DC fast charger and itโ€™s equipped with a 7.2 kW onboard charger.

2019-06-21 13:54:42 UTC

Well if it can be less than 20k Euromarks here in France it's gonna be a real contender for the Zoรฉ

2019-06-21 13:55:07 UTC

not with the range imo

2019-06-21 13:55:18 UTC

IF

2019-06-21 13:55:31 UTC

IF ONLY Skoda would've been able to price it under 15k for the base model

2019-06-21 13:55:42 UTC

and they could've upped the range a bit

2019-06-21 13:55:45 UTC

it would be great

2019-06-21 13:55:58 UTC

Well the Zoรฉ is better but also way more expensive

2019-06-21 13:56:28 UTC

And for people like me with a kinda short commute, even 150 (real) km of range is ok

2019-06-21 13:56:51 UTC

And a lot of people here have that kind of commute length

2019-06-21 13:56:54 UTC

@Matthew go on I dare you, the NDA was only related to talking about driving characteristics and interior design (hint: they literally ripped off the Volkswagen e-Up!, both in drivetrain and interior design)

2019-06-21 13:56:57 UTC

Around big cities I mean

2019-06-21 13:57:08 UTC

the final release is a bit different in interior design iirc

2019-06-21 13:57:22 UTC

not even journalists could drive the skoda

2019-06-21 13:57:44 UTC

everyone else except for Skoda and Audi at this event were like "well yeah, hop in and drive wherever you want"

2019-06-21 13:58:04 UTC

@Mereck sure, but then the citigo lacks fast charging

2019-06-21 13:58:19 UTC

so unless you live in a house and can have a charging station in your garage, it becomes worse

2019-06-21 13:58:23 UTC

Oh, according to some french articles it's gonna be priced at less than 14k

2019-06-21 13:58:36 UTC

is that with bonuses or something?

2019-06-21 13:58:46 UTC

over here there's no incentive to buy EV

2019-06-21 13:58:47 UTC

With

2019-06-21 13:58:51 UTC

Without 20k

2019-06-21 13:59:00 UTC

That's still decent

2019-06-21 13:59:13 UTC

But they also say it's gonna feature fast charge

2019-06-21 13:59:27 UTC

Not extra fast but still...

2019-06-21 13:59:37 UTC

4h for a 80% charge

2019-06-21 13:59:48 UTC

12h30 on a home plug lmao

2019-06-21 14:00:33 UTC

How is that even that bad tho

2019-06-21 14:00:35 UTC

yeah home plug is ridiculous

2019-06-21 14:00:40 UTC

do you drive 300 miles a day

2019-06-21 14:00:52 UTC

I mean sure, if you own a house and have a driveway or a garage, sure, build a wallbox

2019-06-21 14:01:00 UTC

but if you don't this car is barely for you

2019-06-21 14:01:11 UTC

even 4h for 80% at a mall is too long

2019-06-21 14:01:23 UTC

who spends 4h at a mall lmao

2019-06-21 14:01:28 UTC

In my case it shouldn't be a problem though

2019-06-21 14:01:34 UTC

I can charge at my workplace and at home

2019-06-21 14:02:03 UTC

But my main concern now is about how expensive are the options gonna be

2019-06-21 14:02:06 UTC

there's no such infrastructure here lol

2019-06-21 14:02:33 UTC

You can easily spend 4 hours at the mall here in Minneapolis

2019-06-21 14:02:35 UTC

it's kinda big

2019-06-21 14:02:35 UTC

It's still spotty, my company is one of the first to install those on a small/medium scale

2019-06-21 14:02:38 UTC

either you charge at home or at malls. maybe 1% of company parking lots have their charging stations

2019-06-21 14:02:55 UTC

@Matthew american malls are the size of european cities, I'm not even joking

2019-06-21 14:03:10 UTC

Feels good not being third-world

2019-06-21 14:03:15 UTC

huohh

2019-06-21 14:03:37 UTC

kek skoda still didn't release interior photos of the Citigo

2019-06-21 14:04:49 UTC

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