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2019-11-13 13:18:06 UTC

i literaly dumpster dived the 19inch rack from someones trashcan in industry area soo ~ full stack of rams and all

2019-11-13 13:30:57 UTC

nice

2019-11-13 13:35:25 UTC

I dumpster dived ur mum's rack @Tervy

2019-11-13 13:47:46 UTC

@Matthew go be american <#531212403858472967>

2019-11-14 10:04:18 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/527849695020580866/644477705626320896/IMG_20191114_110341.jpg

2019-11-14 10:04:24 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/527849695020580866/644477730464989185/IMG_20191114_110344.jpg

2019-11-14 10:04:30 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/527849695020580866/644477753030344725/IMG_20191114_110346.jpg

2019-11-14 10:06:55 UTC

Ok, now this is epic

2019-11-14 10:07:30 UTC

But is it really

2019-11-14 10:31:24 UTC

so .. people now are startting to understand USB-C spec more and more.. and they just realised on other channel that the spec denies existence and need of usb-c hubs

2019-11-14 10:31:37 UTC

It doesn't show a fold in the screen, so It's already better than Samsung's attempt

2019-11-14 10:32:24 UTC

But it still seems like dirt and other shit can get inbetween the screen and the rest of the phone.

2019-11-14 10:32:29 UTC

So we'll see

2019-11-14 10:56:47 UTC

Also has retro mode

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/527849695020580866/644490912059359263/IMG_20191114_115634.jpg

2019-11-14 10:57:26 UTC

if only it was as slim as old one

2019-11-14 10:57:32 UTC

that fat and small

2019-11-14 11:00:23 UTC

WOAH

2019-11-14 11:00:25 UTC

retro mode looks cool

2019-11-14 11:01:58 UTC

N950* revisited when

2019-11-14 11:03:37 UTC

$1500

2019-11-14 11:03:38 UTC

bruh

2019-11-14 11:04:25 UTC

>tfw sony will never revive sony-ericsson aesthetics

2019-11-14 11:05:15 UTC

my dad had a t610 and some other ericssons later down the line i think

2019-11-14 11:06:24 UTC

W550 or whatever the first fidget spinner phone was

2019-11-14 11:06:25 UTC

:D

2019-11-14 11:06:52 UTC

yes this monstrosity

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/527849695020580866/644493448103067658/122380.png

2019-11-14 11:07:37 UTC

I wish phones were exciting again

2019-11-14 11:07:58 UTC

<:soy:589104157248585749> Flip

2019-11-14 11:34:38 UTC

ekkeekkeek thanks to those new(old) vulnerabilities :D INTEL disabled HLE (hardware lock elision) from all the CPUs :D

2019-11-14 11:37:42 UTC

if you want to see how it can affect your jobs https://twitter.com/damageboy/status/1194751035136450560

2019-11-14 11:40:06 UTC

the first time in the history of computing where the technology has gotten slower (not counting shitty development)

2019-11-14 11:41:04 UTC

when highly optimised code takes 30% hit to the dick

2019-11-14 11:41:09 UTC

it aint fun day for intel :D

2019-11-14 11:43:05 UTC

unfortunately intel seems to still support my 10 year old xeon :|

2019-11-14 11:50:26 UTC

bet core2quads (unpatched now) will be faster than my Lynnfields

2019-11-14 11:50:32 UTC

Twitter link goes nowhere

2019-11-14 11:51:04 UTC

ahh apparently <> adds shit to the end some reason

2019-11-14 11:51:06 UTC

what in the fuck

2019-11-14 11:51:20 UTC

now it works

2019-11-14 11:51:22 UTC

you added a space in front of the link bruh

2019-11-14 11:51:33 UTC

between < and the link

2019-11-14 11:51:33 UTC

might be

2019-11-14 11:51:43 UTC

well color me suprised

2019-11-14 11:51:48 UTC

it thinks lone > in the end is part of the link and translates it .. well thats retarded too

2019-11-14 11:52:04 UTC

yes

2019-11-14 12:16:05 UTC

@Tervy I don't know of anything that actually uses HLE

2019-11-14 12:16:17 UTC

mainly because AMD doesn't even have it so you have to be compiling for intel in the first place

2019-11-14 12:19:26 UTC

yeah so any larger server systems who actualy need all juice they can get

2019-11-14 12:19:40 UTC

what actualy do computing and heavy lifting :D

2019-11-14 12:19:57 UTC

but indeed for normal users the HLE hit aint __that__ bad expect on probly some rare cases

2019-11-14 12:24:08 UTC

@Goz3rr and aint HLE anyway C/C++ only thing or ?

2019-11-14 12:24:27 UTC

HLE is about machine code

2019-11-14 12:24:30 UTC

it's an instruction

2019-11-14 12:24:57 UTC

yeah but all thing i know have had problems/used it have had something to do with C so i was just quessing

2019-11-14 12:25:02 UTC

HLE adds two instruction prefixes

2019-11-14 12:25:09 UTC

which through some black magic fuckery are backwards compatible

2019-11-14 12:25:17 UTC

so they can remove HLE without breaking anything

2019-11-14 12:25:25 UTC

since it'll just fall back

2019-11-14 12:25:42 UTC

the performance loss that tweet is talking about is unrelated to HLE instructions itself

2019-11-14 12:26:24 UTC

the microcode update changed something relating to how jump instructions are decoded

2019-11-14 12:26:48 UTC

the problem this tweet is talking about

2019-11-14 12:26:56 UTC

compilers can know about this issue and generate different code

2019-11-14 12:27:12 UTC

to avoid crossing 32 byte boundaries or ending up on a 32 byte boundary

2019-11-14 12:27:30 UTC

for negligible side effects (basically just add a nop or reorder code)

2019-11-14 12:27:33 UTC

but the problem is

2019-11-14 12:27:43 UTC

everything has to be recompiled for that to happen

2019-11-14 12:27:53 UTC

hence things compiled before now might try to do that and see reduced performance

2019-11-14 12:30:17 UTC

and the way almost all modern software works

2019-11-14 12:30:39 UTC

no one actually compiles for different cpus

2019-11-14 12:30:51 UTC

unless you're some arch turboautist

2019-11-14 12:32:27 UTC

gentoo*

2019-11-14 12:32:51 UTC

Same difference

2019-11-14 12:34:09 UTC

it's not, you don't build from source on arch unless outside package manageer

2019-11-14 12:50:03 UTC

Performance in games seems to be in line with the 0-4% decrease Intel states

2019-11-14 12:50:13 UTC

Mainly because games are GPU limited anyways

2019-11-14 13:09:42 UTC

INTEL NO 1

2019-11-14 13:18:01 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/527849695020580866/644526455723917315/15736812040381.png

2019-11-14 13:18:15 UTC

>when desktop CPUs are more powerful than your 10 times more expensive server CPUs

2019-11-14 13:18:16 UTC

LOL!

2019-11-14 13:19:31 UTC

>actually taking passmark as a representative benchmark

2019-11-14 13:19:32 UTC

LOL!

2019-11-14 13:20:03 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/527849695020580866/644526967290462208/15735834049871.png

2019-11-14 13:20:11 UTC

LOL!

2019-11-14 13:20:49 UTC

you're laughing now until you realize that with the current going AMD users will get the same performance impact

2019-11-14 13:22:00 UTC

yeah when that happens

2019-11-14 13:22:08 UTC

it's already happening

2019-11-14 13:22:14 UTC

intel submitted the patches to GCC today

2019-11-14 13:22:50 UTC

Current Intel hardware mitigations do not cover TAA and current Cascade Lake CPUs remain vulnerable. TAA can allow leaking of data across processes, privilege boundaries and Hyper Threading. With Hyper Threading disabled, TAA can still leak data from protected domains.

2019-11-14 13:22:56 UTC

yikes imagine leaking data even when HT is off

2019-11-14 13:24:16 UTC

also the next time you cherrypick benchmarks

2019-11-14 13:24:17 UTC

>In this case the assembler update didn't make any difference as Firefox wasn't rebuilt from source as part of the test profile or the Clear Linux revision.

2019-11-14 13:25:01 UTC

so normal usecase for home user ?

2019-11-14 13:25:14 UTC

where ucode is applied but software is not update to match ?(or apt-get repo aint updated) ?

2019-11-14 13:25:18 UTC

what do you mean normal use case

2019-11-14 13:25:21 UTC

firefox has autoupdater

2019-11-14 13:25:39 UTC

it'll be updated soon enough

2019-11-14 13:25:46 UTC

windows 10 will get it updated too

2019-11-14 13:26:09 UTC

yeah soon enough few days of slow speeds nobody notices :D

2019-11-14 13:26:20 UTC

on a consumer level, there wont be anything much that exploit these vulnerabilities tbh

2019-11-14 13:26:21 UTC

no slow speeds until the microcode update rolls out

2019-11-14 13:26:32 UTC

true enough ~

2019-11-14 13:26:56 UTC

however on the server cloud level, these vulnerabilities allows one to steal data

2019-11-14 13:27:01 UTC

JCC errata is only fixing "undefined behaviour" atm

2019-11-14 13:27:05 UTC

no published vuln

2019-11-14 13:27:11 UTC

and not that firefox is the place where the speed is needed that much anyway

2019-11-14 13:27:12 UTC

it's like the FDIV bug

2019-11-14 13:28:11 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/527849695020580866/644529011032195072/unknown.png

2019-11-14 13:28:39 UTC

gaming wont be hit by CPU performance since it's more GPU now

2019-11-14 13:28:51 UTC

quality: low

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/527849695020580866/644529178565410826/unknown.png

2019-11-14 13:28:54 UTC

even when you try to make it cpu bound

2019-11-14 13:29:18 UTC

are Intel shills in full force already

2019-11-14 13:31:46 UTC

Is this gonna be like the LAST time this happened, where everyone insisted intel users would take like a 25% performance hit, but in reality it was negligible except in very specific, niche uses?

2019-11-14 13:31:51 UTC

Intel users BTFO indeed

2019-11-14 13:32:27 UTC

you almost seem like a sane person matt

2019-11-14 13:33:07 UTC

None of these affect in games anyway

2019-11-14 13:33:18 UTC

reason to care about these: none

2019-11-14 13:33:22 UTC

performance impacts from the JCC errata are a slightly bigger deal than earlier patches

2019-11-14 13:33:42 UTC

they impact user space programs, where as previous patches only affected the kernel and related transitions

2019-11-14 13:34:04 UTC

i mean its large enough performance hit on those "niche cases" that people are more and more turning mitigation off on all plantforms

2019-11-14 13:34:08 UTC

"to get mah speeds"

2019-11-14 13:34:14 UTC

what is quite dangerous path

2019-11-14 13:34:19 UTC

those niche cases can safely turn off mitigations

2019-11-14 13:34:23 UTC

as long as you don't run untrusted code

2019-11-14 13:34:55 UTC

so ..browser

2019-11-14 13:35:13 UTC

yes because the average person that runs a database and a browser on the same hardware

2019-11-14 13:35:22 UTC

<:pepelaugh:615974280706129941>

2019-11-14 13:35:32 UTC

or just you know browser when it comes to those older intel issues

2019-11-14 13:35:41 UTC

the fucking POC was delivered in javascript

2019-11-14 13:36:08 UTC

but no, even if you run a browser you can turn off mitigations without huge risk

2019-11-14 13:36:10 UTC

"untrusted code who even runs that"

2019-11-14 13:36:14 UTC

because the browsers were patched

2019-11-14 13:36:23 UTC

expect 99.99% of population :D

2019-11-14 13:36:58 UTC

99.99% of the population also is not affected by a tiny performance loss on their IO

2019-11-14 13:37:26 UTC

true but the part who disables it due internet said so is

2019-11-14 13:37:31 UTC

and thats the worst part usualy

2019-11-14 13:37:35 UTC

they deserve it

2019-11-14 13:37:40 UTC

along with the people who disable windows update

2019-11-14 13:38:06 UTC

ahh yes "cause someone else failed people reserve punishment if they fall for it"

2019-11-14 13:38:07 UTC

people like that is why windows update is cancer is the first place

2019-11-14 13:38:14 UTC

Sometimes windows update breaks more than it fixes

2019-11-14 13:38:41 UTC

who needs those default folders anyway ./s @Sad

2019-11-14 13:38:54 UTC

sure im all in usualy for the natural selection and all that but this is huge fiasco on intels part

2019-11-14 13:39:04 UTC

that it is

2019-11-14 13:39:16 UTC

and it keeps growing

2019-11-14 13:39:20 UTC

I use mac as my daily driver and banking and macs don't get viruses

2019-11-14 13:39:25 UTC

:^)

2019-11-14 13:39:49 UTC

read only filesystem and disabled all download out off appstore

2019-11-14 13:40:27 UTC

youd still have RAM(and swap~)

2019-11-14 13:40:56 UTC

IOMMU exists

2019-11-14 13:41:07 UTC

especially consoles are super anal about this

2019-11-14 13:41:10 UTC

ram is either executable

2019-11-14 13:41:11 UTC

or writeable

2019-11-14 13:41:12 UTC

never both

2019-11-14 13:41:55 UTC

there's a super interesting microsoft talk about this

2019-11-14 13:42:05 UTC

how the xbox one basically distrusts everything that's not on die

2019-11-14 14:02:15 UTC

i think i have seen the same talk too

2019-11-14 14:02:23 UTC

but now to totaly different things :FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF

2019-11-14 14:02:30 UTC

my mouse midle button has startted to doubleclick

2019-11-14 14:02:35 UTC

fuckthistshit

2019-11-14 14:05:45 UTC

tried cleaning it out with alcohol?

2019-11-14 14:05:55 UTC

opening it up right now

2019-11-14 14:07:17 UTC

luckily this model came originaly with another set of switches so its not that bad

2019-11-14 14:07:28 UTC

but first time in 4 years any problems have surfaced

2019-11-14 14:37:44 UTC

yeaah the omron is near dead

2019-11-14 14:37:47 UTC

rip

2019-11-14 14:38:16 UTC

Same with mine. My middle mouse button only clicks if I press it down really hard

2019-11-14 14:38:38 UTC

Nothing looks different about the switch itself when I disassembled it, so it's not something I can fix

2019-11-14 14:39:17 UTC

can someone check whats the difference between d2fc-3m and d2f-01F

2019-11-14 14:42:17 UTC

most likely just same switch but some minor variance in lifetime/location ?

2019-11-14 14:42:28 UTC

#installinganyway

2019-11-14 14:51:27 UTC

feels weird to have brand new switch on old mouse :D

2019-11-14 14:53:29 UTC

apparently only difference betwee those switches was that FC-3m is low-cost version with 3mil click or so~lifetime

2019-11-14 14:54:11 UTC

can't find d2fc series datasheet

2019-11-14 14:54:13 UTC

probably confidential

2019-11-14 14:54:15 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/527849695020580866/644550673345675265/unknown.png

2019-11-14 14:54:38 UTC

if i were to guess probably what you said

2019-11-14 14:56:10 UTC

>>> Mechanical: 1 million operations min. at 60 operations/minute.
Electrical: 30,000 operations min. at 30 operations/minute

2019-11-14 14:56:15 UTC

other thing that suprised me the extra gliders for the mouse had 3M logo on the sheet

2019-11-14 14:56:20 UTC

wtf is the point of rating mechanical and electrical operations differently

2019-11-14 14:56:22 UTC

if it's broke it's broke

2019-11-14 14:56:45 UTC

advertisement :D

2019-11-14 14:56:51 UTC

same as with motors

2019-11-14 14:57:25 UTC

>>> Operating frequency
Mechanical: 200 operations per minute max.
Electrical: 30 operations per minute max.

2019-11-14 14:57:31 UTC

hope you don't play cookie clicker

2019-11-14 14:57:41 UTC

nah i have autoclicker for that :P

2019-11-14 14:58:29 UTC

but yeah there was 2x 01F switches as extra

2019-11-14 14:58:45 UTC

kind of nice and the m3 sliders too

2019-11-14 14:58:56 UTC

as much as i have mocked this grease collector mouse

2019-11-14 14:59:05 UTC

its built quite darn smartly inside

2019-11-14 14:59:11 UTC

(ROG Gladius)

2019-11-14 14:59:21 UTC

im guessing the electrical service life has to do with sparking

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/527849695020580866/644551954814730250/unknown.png

2019-11-14 14:59:51 UTC

most likely yeah

2019-11-14 15:00:17 UTC

ah

2019-11-14 15:00:17 UTC

yeah

2019-11-14 15:00:33 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/527849695020580866/644552258347991042/unknown.png

2019-11-14 15:02:14 UTC

neat

2019-11-14 15:04:30 UTC

scroll even sounds different due i removed its natural dampener (50grams of dog hair wrapped around the plastic shaft...)

2019-11-14 15:53:27 UTC

<:blobsweats:427568683003412505>

2019-11-14 15:56:04 UTC

<:blobsweats:427568683003412505>

2019-11-14 16:07:32 UTC

i wish cpus would focus more on the damn base clock than boost clock

2019-11-14 16:08:37 UTC

specialy for laptop setting the fucking "boost" is more like "overheat" function on cpus

2019-11-14 16:08:44 UTC

not going to happen

2019-11-14 16:08:49 UTC

because they can advertise up to boost

2019-11-14 16:08:57 UTC

yep what should change tbh

2019-11-14 16:09:23 UTC

stabile continous clock instead of temporary spikes what then drop your baseclock lower due overheatlol

2019-11-14 16:09:54 UTC

<--curses in idiotic thermal design laptop

2019-11-14 16:11:02 UTC

cause surely nothing bad could happen when you throw CPU and gpu next to each other...

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/527849695020580866/644569996629901331/maxresdefault.png

2019-11-14 16:11:12 UTC

IN SAME FUCKING HEATPIPE, YOU DIPSHIT DESIGNERS SHOULD BE SHOT

2019-11-14 16:12:12 UTC

I MEAN THERE IS ONLY FUCKING 1070 SITTING THERE IF YOU ARE LUCKY

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/527849695020580866/644570288020914189/iu.png

2019-11-14 16:12:18 UTC

....

2019-11-14 16:12:49 UTC

the moment when i promised myself that i will fucking check thermal desings on every fucking laptop i suggest and buy

2019-11-14 16:14:45 UTC

i mean i7 7700HQ and 1060 (needed to check they dont advertise the rare option of 1070 to these things anymore (go fucking figure))

2019-11-14 16:14:48 UTC

sound good in paper

2019-11-14 16:15:01 UTC

until its raped to ass by retarded heatpipeboy

2019-11-14 16:15:56 UTC
2019-11-14 16:16:12 UTC

>gaming laptops

2019-11-14 16:16:25 UTC

You'll never find a gaming laptop with great thermals

2019-11-14 16:16:50 UTC

if i had chance it would have been business laptop with same specs

2019-11-14 16:16:53 UTC

Also they are all like this with the heatpipe design

2019-11-14 16:16:59 UTC

hell even with tad bit lower specs for the price

2019-11-14 16:17:06 UTC

I got one of the better gaming laptops in thermals

2019-11-14 16:17:15 UTC

And it has the same shared heatsibk design

2019-11-14 16:17:27 UTC

The lenovo y740

2019-11-14 16:17:31 UTC

not all

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/527849695020580866/644571627941527553/iu.png

2019-11-14 16:17:33 UTC

some of them are actualy sane

2019-11-14 16:17:46 UTC

(rog G703 as example)

2019-11-14 16:17:58 UTC

I think the best thermals would be Asus

2019-11-14 16:18:09 UTC

yeah those both images are asus

2019-11-14 16:18:12 UTC

youd think ....

2019-11-14 16:18:13 UTC

They have a laptop that opens up so you can pump out hot air

2019-11-14 16:19:28 UTC

then there is msi

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/527849695020580866/644572117978841129/iu.png

2019-11-14 16:20:31 UTC

Check out one of apples new MacBook airs

2019-11-14 16:20:45 UTC

like apples have had cooling ever

2019-11-14 16:20:53 UTC

They have a fan that does nothing and isn't connect to any heatsinks

2019-11-14 16:20:58 UTC

For their latest models

2019-11-14 16:21:01 UTC

source: first gen unibody owner ...

2019-11-14 16:21:15 UTC

98*c aluminium bottom plate

2019-11-14 16:21:18 UTC

next to battery

2019-11-14 16:21:33 UTC

egg and toast was not joke with that thing

2019-11-14 16:21:39 UTC

even with fans running 100%

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