there are generals spoonfeeding them on how to build a pc

I think you overestimate the austimal level of /g/

No it's full of 90iq weebs uwu

Less than almost anywhere

@Tendril I stand corrected

Sadly I deal a lot with normies irl

>I'm above it all because I have an anime avatar

This makes you worse than normies

The omni-psyche turbo wizard 40+ year olds who REALLY know their shit lurk BBS forums.

Not /g/ or /tech/.

eevblog maybe

I like Dave

There are some smart people on /g/, I won't deny that, but not many.

/g/ is visited by wizards once in a while

I knew that one tripfag Marisa for like, 5 years on and off

They're REALLY sharp in ganoo/loonicks and C

But that's about it uwu

compsci is more compatible with channers than hard science or engineering /bait

I dunno.

I spent a year doing hardware fault-finding and the process you have to go through every time is autismal as fuck.

no doubt

My boss was one of those turbo wizards though, so that helped.

It's frustrating debugging bad connections

Especially when they're faulty by (bad) design

are you one of the fuckers that add a shitload of 0 ohm resistors unmarked so its imposible to reverse engineer?

Turns out that EEs aren't good mechanical engineers

I once had to diagnose a desktop which kept powering off for temp reasons

and eventually we just ruled that the temp sensor itself was fucking knackered

Which is really frustrating because the only way you can rule that is to stick your fingers in the heatsink and note that it's fucking cold even when the machine is 'overheating'

Imagine trying to do that for something like a guidance system

Horrifying.

And then convincing them "well, it's the motherboard's fault"

And you're shipping the built-in-test for the next contractor in the chain

can you change a temp sensor on a motherboard? , I thought most sensors are etched in silicon

And you can't do shit because contracts are already signed and you can't do a complete redesign because your little firm may be bankrupted

Yeah, sounds like it'd have you really backed into a corner.

software is comfy

You can always ship a patch

exceptvin embedded design...

Hardware is frightening and nightmarish in comparison

So you'd have to forgive if us hw guys are more autist

We literally have to have whole designs in our heads running in pseudo simulation casually

Which leads to cool a-ha moments

Fortunately, I've only been stuck with fault-finding and repairs.

But it's generally shitty

Either way, you do have to be a giant fucking autist with hardware, because it's like you said.

You have to be 100% with what you do.

Yeah repairing and hobby stuff is fun

I'd hate the fault finding thing

Well you need a better testing framework and harness

>Framework

lmao we just winged it.

So you can plug in a single test point and test mostly everything you care about

My boss would go "Are you 100% sure, 200% sure, etc."

jtag?

Until you crack and go "uh"

"fuck off then"

apprentice life

jtag is a thing sure for running incircuit tests but you may want for stuff for application specific passive components

We had a bad "cable" once kill months of testing

sheeit

I don't know why I can't get cool working with electronics.

But it was a huge mil rs422 thing

Get started with digital logic on arduino

Did you get castrated by your boss afterwards

who says

"YOU ASSUMED THE CABLE WORKED"

No

Because the whole team fucked up

Our tests and firmware crashed spectacularly because of assumptions about the underlying hardware

what happened after the fuckup?

The hardware guys screwed up wiring (though, to their credit, Better to fail in the lab than thousands of feet in the air)

We just got delayed

Company ate the cost of the delays

what were you guys building?

Airplane stuff

I figured

Yeah, better be careful with that stuff.

super secret stuff

better be careful with anything in general but welp. :^)

So my point is that pure software dudes generally have less stress and more free time on their hands during the work day

So they could lurk on the chans and /g/

The hardware guys do this stuff on the weekends for fun maybe

but hardware is much more fun

So they're more often than not on something with better signal to noise ratio

Working on software was really easy compared to my coleagues when I was an intern.

You should definitely get into electronics as a hobby

But I wouldn't necessarily recommend it as a job; maybe high level design or really cool stuff like uC design at intel

I remember one intern who didn't stopped fucking up one day long, a shitload of components burned. It really wasn't his day.

or even Analog Devices

I'd love to work at AD

What's up with that ?

they're such a proficient and comfy corporation that doesn't give a fuck about shareholders

How did he burn stuff

Overvolted the board?

I have no idea, I just saw a load of burned components.

That sucks but that's why you have plenty of spares, unless that was some expensive on-off prototype

>hardware for fun

[CHOKING NOISES IN THE DISTANCE]

One-off prototyping is bad tho

Some things can only be done in hardware though

Yeah, he got a lot of spares anyway, but he didn't liked to break many things.

They're getting to be a thin crowd but they exist heh

@Tendril maybe Ishould stick to software then

>stick to

Doing something to pay your bills doesn't necessitate doing it for fun.

yeah, but i'm still at uni doing CompEng

I could go either way in my area

Yeah no legit; when kids ask me if they should get into hardware I generally tell them to get good with software instead. Save the hardware stuff for building hobby drones or whatever.

Yeah, I agree.

I know more than one old man who has jumped the fence for greener pastures, myself included

It's a lot more fun as a hobby.

I think a programmer should know a little bit of hardware at least.

If you're a masochist you can write verilog for high frequency trading firms and make a shitton heh

You're still into hardware then, *kinda*

I took one class with FPGA design on VHDL

Or work in medical decices

I hated it

Devices

Verilog is a little better

Not that much

yeah, it was suppose to teach you the basics to design your own logic gates and make a mux

really bad teacher

that would kill it yea. Most people use fpgas for glue logic anyways, which makes sense I guess. Pair a big fast chip with a bunch of programmable logic

yeah, I used a spartan for another project almost drag and dropping example code

depends on what you intend

But yea what a world we live in where the most economically viable things are usb power banks, not even a radio

Pretty stale

Where is my cyberpunk distopia?

Expressif is a cool shop but they're in Shanghai

Shanghai

I love the esp8266

I built a small accelerometer with it, really cool project

yeah it's kinda amazing how it kinda just appeared in 2014

Have you played with esp32 yt

Seems a little choked up in supply?

I'm not paying 20 bucks for the development boards

Yeah I'm thinking the price would drop eventually

Or maybe they're trying to recoup the costs of the laowais they hired

found a picture

meanwhile im playing with a bbc microbit

it sent tcp packets to a socket that acted as a virtual serial port

The same form factor with some sort of gsm chip baked in along with upstream vendor support could potentially change the world

and then a python app read from the serial and plotted the data

really fun

Cool 😃

I still have like 10 esp8266 12E

and i don't know what to do with them..

If you've never played with rockets before, get one (they're cheap) and you can use them as live data loggers

what kind of rocket?

are the expensive?

they*

Estes; nah like $20-30 for a kit

With a pad and a janky electric igniter

oh boy

how do you retrieve it after it enters orbit

They don't go up that high, only thousand or two feet

yea was just jokin

if they enter orbit for 20$ Elon Musk would be broke

lol

A diy engine could be good though

A single bag of sugar is fuel for days

or some balloons with helium

Probably better

Yeah, maybe i'll tie an esp8266 to a balloon or something

powered by a housefire 18650 of corse

course *

A tiny 220mAh lipo is fine too

Lighter

yeah, i was kidding

I don't understand humor apparently

was thinking more of a esp powered battery grenade

Ok I'm off to eat breakfast laters

airborne

why are you eating breakfast at midnight

its 16:44

Chinese hardware to achieve space travel for $20 via four housefires

I'm in Kansas

ya'll

why does /g/ refer to cyanogenmod as a pajeet OS?

would you trust AliExpress lipo batteries for hobby projects?

hobby yes

Yes

the fire thing is pretty exxagerated

ultrafire

they only pop if you puncture them AND cause shortcircuit when doing that

(okay faulty charger/overload may cause them to overheat etc but same with all batteries)

ultrafire

trustfire

dieinahousefire

(theyre fine)

Cyanogenmod is ded lineage OS is now the new pajeet os

I just installed CM on my phone and tablet 8)

Not the end of the world...i just hope Lineage pans out. Or it's AOSP for me

There seems to be a few decent roms for the clark

Anyone use Resurrection Remix?

Or AICP

AICP looks to be buggy as fuck

I think I'm going with Cypher OS

Do you guys not think it's a silly conspiracy that the world hasn't moved beyond AA and AAA alkalines and made 18650s more consumer-accessible

I can buy a silly charger-cum-flashlight-fan off the streets of Wenzhou and it comes with a user-accessible 18650 battery compartment

simple reason = singleshot with shitlong shelflife "is better" than recharger stuff

for most simple minds

also a lot cheaper to manufacture in bulk

avg duracel batteries have something around 1100% profit ratio last time i checked

also world is slowly switching to rechargeable stuff

its just millions and millions of devices with long working times

so it aint instant

where 18650 is relatively new tech

last time your AA battery stuff broke beyond repair ?

firealarm never,flashlight maybe if you abuse it (so would recharger one too),vibrators well maybe as mechanical stress is quite insane on those and so on and so on

so people just dont need to upgrade yet as the technology aint that "amazing"

m-merry christmas g-guys

y-you too

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/AMD-Phenom-II-x6-1055T-2-8GHz-6MB-Hex-Core-Scoket-AM3-95W-TDP-E0-HDT55TWFK6DGR-/401151525105?hash=item5d667e80f1:g:PYsAAOxy1JBSRqso

shoo shoo, Mstrup stinky chinky

do you think i should go for it at this price?

inb4 hexa-core meme

if you like being a meme go for it

esp if its amd

should I do a review of my chink tablet i'll be getting soon?

NZD$100 for a 6 core processor

Hell yeah man

i'm gonna put it on a wishlist

the black editions of the amd phenom ii processors go for insane amounts of money for some reason

Wait really?

I sold one of those last year for $50

Is it because of Nostalgia or does it have some other use that I'm not aware of?

where? i have a amd phenom ii x4 965 sitting around lol

@Arcbat probably that, and the fact that they're decent overclockers

@Claire the Holiday Vulpix go for it, fam

I overclocked mine (I can't remember the model, it was a Phenom II X4 with stock 3.5ghz) to 4.5 using liquid cooling. I didn't have any issues with it the whole time I owned it.

I didn't notice any performance gain in games or anything at that speed, though. Probably because it was way overkill back in like 2011 when I built the damn thing.

Whatever the generation after that, I had the 3.2ghz 6 core. It died after a few months of basic overclocking. Though, next to no programs could even support a 6 core AMD back then.

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/Wtx62R

would you /g/ents be so kind as to critique my build

There are multiple threads on /g/ for this.

yeah, but

i trust you guys more :^)

>Literally the same people

ok

let me go to /g/

>blu ray

Ok that was a bit far, would have taken the bait otherwise

I actually looked at it and realized it was bait. SIgh.

don't be mean now

looks good for a cheapo build

id buy an ssd tho

they're quite cheap nowadays