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thats why all AI research is done with GPU like structures over alternatives
and even further, this is describing the possibilities of AGI
which requires a processor btw.. I've heard those theories that you can build a computer without a CPU.. no, no you can not
I think youre assuming far too much from far too small of a view concerning this guys presentation of the material
Even a neural networking chipset requires a bog standard CPU on it's motherboard to function
Which would be required to create this AGI machine you're talking about
the GPU is kinda like half of a processor in a manner of speaking... it only does the grunt tasks...
it doesn't have a full instruction set, it's a dumb processor in a way..
gpu like structures is just referring to the seemingly innate need for AI to operate off of parallel computing
They accelerate the speed that you can compute data, but that only applies to basic AI and machine learning, okay yes, you can do neural networking too.. but it's not efficient enough to do anything that would lead up to AGI
or just concurrent computing versus sequential
They've already started working on special chipsets designed for neural networking, which is the basic building blocks of AI
making a computer think like a human, and they even connect with PCI-e! how mad is that! lol
but they're ungodly expensive..
They're not available to the general public, you need to contact the manufacturer to have one made
those chipsets are literally gpu derivatives, are they not?
like the new amd ai chip set
Not really.. they contain artificial neurons in a way..
Kinda replicating something similar to how a human brain works
Like it sort of generates it's own flow chart, think of a simple problem, is the plate hot?, one question could be a whole possibility of evidence "options" to draw a conclusion with, step one might contain something like, is steam coming from said plate, is plate hot to the touch, is plate cold to the touch, and then a yes or no conclusion can be drawn from that
step one could contain much more than that to solve that problem, that's the artificial neurons that would contain that data in what's kinda like a multi dimensional array
Like maybe say, do I have a thermometer? yes, place thermometer on plate, what temperature does thermometer report?, is plate hot? is plate cold?, or No, I do not have thermometer... there's a whole world of possibilities with neural networks, but they all need to be given instructions, and a data set to work with
Just like a human I guess, how would a human ever know what a thermometer does without reading about it, or another human explaining it to them, the learning process.. lol
That's why I find all these AI will destroy the world arguments stupid, I'm sorry, if terrorists didn't have arms and legs... they're of no threat to anybody, even if they do say they're going to blow you up
But your bog standard cpu and gpu can't think like that, they have to follow it step by step, so there's problems that a cpu would take much longer to solve in terms of processing time than a neural network would
A program running on a standard computer, couldn't "keep it in mind", say a futuristic example, a personal helper robot, tasked with safety and housekeeping, if a normal CPU was tasked with this and it was preoccupied with doing the washing, really badly.. I might say.. it probably wouldn't notice the man breaking in through the window until the washing is complete... lol
But the goal with AI is to make it learn, because what makes something intelligent, it's ability to learn and retain information.. why artificial neurons seems the way to go
Step by step just doesn't work with the learning process
There's always something that's going to have to be kept in mind so to speak when doing tasks that require a level of thought even if not directly related to the task at hand
Another example, a programmer programming... is there electricity in the meter (kinda obvious prerequisite even if not directly related to task), am I hungry (definitely a prerequisite), am I thirsty, what do I have to do today other than programming, is my house safe.. then whatevers happening on my computer, who's talking to me right now (not to be an antisocial), my computers running slowly, what tasks can I kill, what do I need to open in order for me to start programming, is my internet bill paid... a step by step program would fail miserably trying to "think" about all this at the same time
and off of all of those things, there's a whole new tree of questions to be asked.. that's where your artificial neurons would come into play to manage this style of processing information
But none of it would be violent... unless, who do I have to kill today, why do I have to kill this individual, what do I have to destroy today, why do I have to destroy it... it's just stupid to think a machine, even AI could think like that, it could only think like that if it was told to think like that
And god forbid it has arms and legs if it's thinking like that...
remember getting told "show your working" in school all the time... yeah... that's why.... lol
Lucky for us, computers and machines are overly honest... and can't lie... unless told to lie of course.. lol
More than one way to skin the hypothetical cat when it comes to that...
I'll watch the video.... but I feel like I'm watching some cowboy movie...
I hate the way this guy talks.. I'm already having aneurysms with a couple points this guys tried to make
"er" != "oh"
I'm getting brain damage
Alright, lets just start now with a rather inhumane sounding situation, if I had a child, and stuck it in a room, and made it learn about all the sciences, but restricted it's access to information such as violence and weaponary, you'd never know they existed or how to operate a violent action.... this is a different level of stupid
Which is all very possible to do with a machine learning system
THE FERMI PARADOX, THE ALIENS ARE NOT HERE NOR DO THEY WANT TO BE HERE BECAUSE THEY RUN THE RISK OF BEING A BLOCK OF SWISS CHEESE OR A GOURMET DISH
I really don't know how to explain this to you guys that these videos are nothing but uneducated paranoia
A degree in phsyics and biophysics does not equal a degree in computer science....
Electronic engineers brought us computers, physicists brought us the basic building blocks for electronic engineers to work with...
still != a degree in computer science....
Okay... I'll give you the fantasy or a machine rebellion by superhuman intelligence... but there's a catch, there's a "heart" within the machine, the super AI can't run without this heart and if there's an attempt to modify this heart, the machine gets shut down and destroyed.. if a machine initiates a violent action, it's "heart" gets activated, and the machine gets destroyed.... there's really no question about this subject...
You can't just deactivate a terrorist in that fashion, no matter how organised...
i feel like youre arguing against a fantasy point that isnt even being made...
"uneducated" bro, the dude does conferences with programmers and other academic fields all the time
And I hope he doesn't lecture programmers about software
not only that, but the very point youre trying to make with is the limitations of the original inputs is made in a similar fashion but better explained by him in that very video if i remember correctly
i was afk for quite a bit
if you understood classic computing, you'd see why that isn't an issue
``` you'd see why that isn't an issue```
what do you think is being said exactly?
it seems you have the tendency of assuming what's being said rather than hearing out the person's actual point.
About to be me in a hot minute
There's no point to be made, he's basically claiming that a computers going to draw a conclusion that being violent is gonna solve all it's problems, or it's going to be sentient and want to live just like a human, so it's gonna kill everyone....
```There's no point to be made, he's basically claiming that a computers going to draw a conclusion that being violent is gonna solve all it's problems, or it's going to be sentient and want to live just like a human, so it's gonna kill everyone....```
he literally argues the exact opposite
this is what i mean, it seems you have the tendency of assuming what's being said rather than hearing out the person's actual point.
bashing your chess opponent over the head with the clock to secure victory?
you got the literal opposite of what he said
did you listen past that?
where he implies the reasons as to why that isnt done...
Not far past it no, I was already going ape shit
15 minutes too long
no offense but youre a bit too full of yourself
The skynet reference at the start really got to me... that's all we fucking hear as programmers...
bro, i know programmers, they arent exactly an esoteric segment of society
its a fairly popular academic field
or sociable, I know lol
and no, they dont just hear that all the time
I'm trying to put across the technical implications of the situation, not the hypothetical ones..
i feel as if you have much to gain by actually listening to what's being said rather than just assuming the meaning or intention of what's being said
I'm not watching anything else of this guys creation... lol
well, you havent gotten far and already completely got the conclusion of the video wrong based off of your own assumptions
either way, my comments arent just referring to the videos but how you act in general it seems
because youve acted in a similar fashion during the discussion concerning 5g
I'm logical, not emotional
assuming the point was about people being microwaved alive
no, youre very much emotional
you were emotionally invested in the talking point so much that you assumed the intention of the guy who made the video
that wasnt a logical conclusion based off of what was said, it was an emotional reaction
Sorry, if mr fox is fucking with my chickens, he's a dead fox walking, a bee stings me, dead bee flying, lol I don't really care about wildlife, it's not harmful to humans, thanks to our warmongers of the past, we've already prettymuch fucked this one, and I think the next biblical noahs ark needs to take form of interstellar travel to ensure the survival of whats left of humanity, but roger the alcoholic down the road is concerned his remaining brain cells are being fried by a cell tower... which science has already measured out to have little to no effect on human life
Tru tru, but you're picking and choosing out of what I've said lol
> Sorry, if mr fox is fucking with my chickens, he's a dead fox walking, a bee stings me, dead bee flying, lol I don't really care about wildlife, it's not harmful to humans, thanks to our warmongers of the past, we've already prettymuch fucked this one, and I think the next biblical noahs ark needs to take form of interstellar travel to ensure the survival of whats left of humanity, but roger the alcoholic down the road is concerned his remaining brain cells are being fried by a cell tower... which science has already measured out to have little to no effect on human life
@NotJesus is this a poem you just came up with?
But guess what, we're too concerned about men fucking men and people wanting to identify as apache helicopters, people that want to modify their basic biology because they feel like they should be the opposite, fuck knows what else.. to be concerned about what really matters to save the planet
i dont think its a logical conclusion to think that a planet thats still very much habitable and can easily be kept such with some changes is somehow a less appealing opportunity than an interstellar Noah's ark.
Yeah but our thought processes really want away from all the lesser thought processes... if you ask me, I'd round all these weirdo groups up and put them on an uninhabitable island with promises of sex changes and acceptance...
Because the way this planets going... nowhere... we're gonna wipe ourselves out if we allow this behaviour to breed
We don't want to make weapons or frankensexes on our planet, we want to make new science... lol
Mussolini thought the same funnily enough. Either way, preserving carbon sinks and ecologically is a good universal policy at this point and ill rather pursue that than hope that we somehow get enough organized labor to build a generation ship
speaking of which
good videos on the subject, lol
I'm not doing it
dont worry, you dont have to
i like putting it up anyways
I'm gonna yee haw outta this one
the Brits are saying yee haw now i see lol
This guy is literally the stereotype of American cowboy... lol
hes from Ohio i guess
Fuck what was that movie, George, are we gonna see the rabbits
Lennie, have a look over there, *pulls luger out* *bang*
live in 3 hours
Ah I'll catch it after lol, was reading some stuff, setting stuff up
Data execution prevention (DEP) and Return oriented programming (ROP) 😉 for anybody that knows lol
Really into reverse engineering right now.. lol
Levelling up bois
it was scary easy to hack just 6-7 years ago... lol
I've been quite into security and programming since I was like 14, I'm a couple months off 21 now lol
Hacking competitions look fun
I mean like come on, you get rewarded for outsmarting programmers lol
Good money as well.. lol
Geohot just casually throws out on a hacking livestream with "You know what guys, if I get this, I'll buy a jetski"... why does he even need a jetski... dude literally sits stuck to a computer.... lol
it sounds sad, I love tech more than I love people, I know what makes most people tick, but now I know what makes a computer tick, and it's so much more intricate than a persons thought process lol
A clock cycle! Lol
Brighten up you doomsday fear mongers
is this what yall talk about
I don’t know if this is true but lmao
He has a link to a torrent
But I’m on my phone, gonna have to try later
This server is quite dead
We should make it not dead
That would funny I think
lol "pizzagate" protests
wouldn't be surprised if this were true
'banned.video' never seen that site before
i cant tell if thats irony or not lol
nah, isnt irony
its kinda like bitchute
literally never seen it before, checking out the site
banned.video is alex jones new video site
its not only alex jones
lol David Icke is on this site
i've only ever seen david icke types and alex jones types using it tbh so im not sure
site looks pretty well setup either way
They overturned the death penalty for this terrorist
just dumb he deserves the death penalty
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the 5g part is hilarious
7:45 is where 5g is discussed
im just watching something atm
no, the video posted above
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reminder that people like this actually exist
and probably make up the majority of the human population
THIS HAS TO BE A MEME
I got shit to say
Where do I go for a partnership?
@bowlingpin#6532 he left before he said his shit