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2020-07-30 05:21:52 UTC

thats why all AI research is done with GPU like structures over alternatives

2020-07-30 05:22:32 UTC

and even further, this is describing the possibilities of AGI

2020-07-30 05:22:44 UTC

which requires a processor btw.. I've heard those theories that you can build a computer without a CPU.. no, no you can not

2020-07-30 05:23:03 UTC

I think youre assuming far too much from far too small of a view concerning this guys presentation of the material

2020-07-30 05:23:14 UTC

what...?

2020-07-30 05:23:18 UTC

Even a neural networking chipset requires a bog standard CPU on it's motherboard to function

2020-07-30 05:23:38 UTC

Which would be required to create this AGI machine you're talking about

2020-07-30 05:25:54 UTC

the GPU is kinda like half of a processor in a manner of speaking... it only does the grunt tasks...

2020-07-30 05:26:59 UTC

it doesn't have a full instruction set, it's a dumb processor in a way..

2020-07-30 05:27:20 UTC

gpu like structures is just referring to the seemingly innate need for AI to operate off of parallel computing

2020-07-30 05:28:25 UTC

They accelerate the speed that you can compute data, but that only applies to basic AI and machine learning, okay yes, you can do neural networking too.. but it's not efficient enough to do anything that would lead up to AGI

2020-07-30 05:28:48 UTC

or just concurrent computing versus sequential

2020-07-30 05:29:33 UTC

They've already started working on special chipsets designed for neural networking, which is the basic building blocks of AI

2020-07-30 05:29:42 UTC

making a computer think like a human, and they even connect with PCI-e! how mad is that! lol

2020-07-30 05:30:02 UTC

but they're ungodly expensive..

2020-07-30 05:30:23 UTC

They're not available to the general public, you need to contact the manufacturer to have one made

2020-07-30 05:30:39 UTC

those chipsets are literally gpu derivatives, are they not?

2020-07-30 05:30:47 UTC

like the new amd ai chip set

2020-07-30 05:31:12 UTC

Not really.. they contain artificial neurons in a way..

2020-07-30 05:31:27 UTC

Kinda replicating something similar to how a human brain works

2020-07-30 05:35:02 UTC

Like it sort of generates it's own flow chart, think of a simple problem, is the plate hot?, one question could be a whole possibility of evidence "options" to draw a conclusion with, step one might contain something like, is steam coming from said plate, is plate hot to the touch, is plate cold to the touch, and then a yes or no conclusion can be drawn from that

2020-07-30 05:37:03 UTC

step one could contain much more than that to solve that problem, that's the artificial neurons that would contain that data in what's kinda like a multi dimensional array

2020-07-30 05:39:13 UTC

Like maybe say, do I have a thermometer? yes, place thermometer on plate, what temperature does thermometer report?, is plate hot? is plate cold?, or No, I do not have thermometer... there's a whole world of possibilities with neural networks, but they all need to be given instructions, and a data set to work with

2020-07-30 05:40:18 UTC

Just like a human I guess, how would a human ever know what a thermometer does without reading about it, or another human explaining it to them, the learning process.. lol

2020-07-30 05:40:58 UTC

That's why I find all these AI will destroy the world arguments stupid, I'm sorry, if terrorists didn't have arms and legs... they're of no threat to anybody, even if they do say they're going to blow you up

2020-07-30 05:43:19 UTC

But your bog standard cpu and gpu can't think like that, they have to follow it step by step, so there's problems that a cpu would take much longer to solve in terms of processing time than a neural network would

2020-07-30 05:45:52 UTC

A program running on a standard computer, couldn't "keep it in mind", say a futuristic example, a personal helper robot, tasked with safety and housekeeping, if a normal CPU was tasked with this and it was preoccupied with doing the washing, really badly.. I might say.. it probably wouldn't notice the man breaking in through the window until the washing is complete... lol

2020-07-30 05:52:16 UTC

But the goal with AI is to make it learn, because what makes something intelligent, it's ability to learn and retain information.. why artificial neurons seems the way to go

2020-07-30 05:52:59 UTC

Step by step just doesn't work with the learning process

2020-07-30 05:54:25 UTC

There's always something that's going to have to be kept in mind so to speak when doing tasks that require a level of thought even if not directly related to the task at hand

2020-07-30 05:58:39 UTC

Another example, a programmer programming... is there electricity in the meter (kinda obvious prerequisite even if not directly related to task), am I hungry (definitely a prerequisite), am I thirsty, what do I have to do today other than programming, is my house safe.. then whatevers happening on my computer, who's talking to me right now (not to be an antisocial), my computers running slowly, what tasks can I kill, what do I need to open in order for me to start programming, is my internet bill paid... a step by step program would fail miserably trying to "think" about all this at the same time

2020-07-30 06:00:17 UTC

and off of all of those things, there's a whole new tree of questions to be asked.. that's where your artificial neurons would come into play to manage this style of processing information

2020-07-30 06:02:26 UTC

But none of it would be violent... unless, who do I have to kill today, why do I have to kill this individual, what do I have to destroy today, why do I have to destroy it... it's just stupid to think a machine, even AI could think like that, it could only think like that if it was told to think like that

2020-07-30 06:03:03 UTC

And god forbid it has arms and legs if it's thinking like that...

2020-07-30 06:04:21 UTC

remember getting told "show your working" in school all the time... yeah... that's why.... lol

2020-07-30 06:07:58 UTC

Lucky for us, computers and machines are overly honest... and can't lie... unless told to lie of course.. lol

2020-07-30 06:11:06 UTC
2020-07-30 06:13:41 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/526921073397071892/738278125468909588/lie1.PNG

2020-07-30 06:14:00 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/526921073397071892/738278203017396254/lie2.PNG

2020-07-30 06:14:14 UTC

Just saying....

2020-07-30 06:14:53 UTC

More than one way to skin the hypothetical cat when it comes to that...

2020-07-30 06:19:01 UTC

I'll watch the video.... but I feel like I'm watching some cowboy movie...

2020-07-30 06:19:38 UTC

I hate the way this guy talks.. I'm already having aneurysms with a couple points this guys tried to make

2020-07-30 06:20:44 UTC

"er" != "oh"

2020-07-30 06:21:51 UTC

TERMINATOR REFERENCE

2020-07-30 06:21:52 UTC

DEFENCE COMPUTOH

2020-07-30 06:25:21 UTC

I'm getting brain damage

2020-07-30 06:27:55 UTC

Alright, lets just start now with a rather inhumane sounding situation, if I had a child, and stuck it in a room, and made it learn about all the sciences, but restricted it's access to information such as violence and weaponary, you'd never know they existed or how to operate a violent action.... this is a different level of stupid

2020-07-30 06:28:07 UTC

Which is all very possible to do with a machine learning system

2020-07-30 06:30:52 UTC

THE FERMI PARADOX, THE ALIENS ARE NOT HERE NOR DO THEY WANT TO BE HERE BECAUSE THEY RUN THE RISK OF BEING A BLOCK OF SWISS CHEESE OR A GOURMET DISH

2020-07-30 06:35:42 UTC

I really don't know how to explain this to you guys that these videos are nothing but uneducated paranoia

2020-07-30 06:36:37 UTC

A degree in phsyics and biophysics does not equal a degree in computer science....

2020-07-30 06:37:51 UTC

Electronic engineers brought us computers, physicists brought us the basic building blocks for electronic engineers to work with...

2020-07-30 06:38:12 UTC

still != a degree in computer science....

2020-07-30 06:42:53 UTC

Okay... I'll give you the fantasy or a machine rebellion by superhuman intelligence... but there's a catch, there's a "heart" within the machine, the super AI can't run without this heart and if there's an attempt to modify this heart, the machine gets shut down and destroyed.. if a machine initiates a violent action, it's "heart" gets activated, and the machine gets destroyed.... there's really no question about this subject...

2020-07-30 06:43:40 UTC

You can't just deactivate a terrorist in that fashion, no matter how organised...

2020-07-30 06:44:32 UTC

i feel like youre arguing against a fantasy point that isnt even being made...

2020-07-30 06:45:32 UTC

"uneducated" bro, the dude does conferences with programmers and other academic fields all the time

2020-07-30 06:46:01 UTC

And I hope he doesn't lecture programmers about software

2020-07-30 06:46:31 UTC

not only that, but the very point youre trying to make with is the limitations of the original inputs is made in a similar fashion but better explained by him in that very video if i remember correctly

2020-07-30 06:47:01 UTC

i was afk for quite a bit

2020-07-30 06:47:07 UTC

if you understood classic computing, you'd see why that isn't an issue

2020-07-30 06:47:19 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/526921073397071892/738286589104488579/079asd.jfif

2020-07-30 06:48:13 UTC

``` you'd see why that isn't an issue```

2020-07-30 06:48:15 UTC

what?

2020-07-30 06:48:23 UTC

what do you think is being said exactly?

2020-07-30 06:48:35 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/526921073397071892/738286909775675422/images.jpg

2020-07-30 06:48:52 UTC

it seems you have the tendency of assuming what's being said rather than hearing out the person's actual point.

2020-07-30 06:48:57 UTC

About to be me in a hot minute

2020-07-30 06:49:46 UTC

There's no point to be made, he's basically claiming that a computers going to draw a conclusion that being violent is gonna solve all it's problems, or it's going to be sentient and want to live just like a human, so it's gonna kill everyone....

2020-07-30 06:50:03 UTC

```There's no point to be made, he's basically claiming that a computers going to draw a conclusion that being violent is gonna solve all it's problems, or it's going to be sentient and want to live just like a human, so it's gonna kill everyone....```

2020-07-30 06:50:10 UTC

he literally argues the exact opposite

2020-07-30 06:50:26 UTC

this is what i mean, it seems you have the tendency of assuming what's being said rather than hearing out the person's actual point.

2020-07-30 06:50:31 UTC

bashing your chess opponent over the head with the clock to secure victory?

2020-07-30 06:50:39 UTC

you got the literal opposite of what he said

2020-07-30 06:50:45 UTC

did you listen past that?

2020-07-30 06:50:58 UTC

where he implies the reasons as to why that isnt done...

2020-07-30 06:51:03 UTC

Not far past it no, I was already going ape shit

2020-07-30 06:51:15 UTC

15 minutes too long

2020-07-30 06:51:32 UTC

no offense but youre a bit too full of yourself

2020-07-30 06:51:34 UTC

The skynet reference at the start really got to me... that's all we fucking hear as programmers...

2020-07-30 06:51:59 UTC

bro, i know programmers, they arent exactly an esoteric segment of society

2020-07-30 06:52:06 UTC

its a fairly popular academic field

2020-07-30 06:52:13 UTC

or sociable, I know lol

2020-07-30 06:52:15 UTC

and no, they dont just hear that all the time

2020-07-30 06:52:57 UTC

I'm trying to put across the technical implications of the situation, not the hypothetical ones..

2020-07-30 06:54:16 UTC

i feel as if you have much to gain by actually listening to what's being said rather than just assuming the meaning or intention of what's being said

2020-07-30 06:54:24 UTC

I'm not watching anything else of this guys creation... lol

2020-07-30 06:55:00 UTC

well, you havent gotten far and already completely got the conclusion of the video wrong based off of your own assumptions

2020-07-30 06:55:44 UTC

either way, my comments arent just referring to the videos but how you act in general it seems

2020-07-30 06:55:58 UTC

because youve acted in a similar fashion during the discussion concerning 5g

2020-07-30 06:56:16 UTC

I'm logical, not emotional

2020-07-30 06:56:20 UTC

assuming the point was about people being microwaved alive

2020-07-30 06:56:28 UTC

no, youre very much emotional

2020-07-30 06:56:46 UTC

> Not far past it no, I was already going ape shit
@NotJesus
> The skynet reference at the start really got to me... that's all we fucking hear as programmers...
@NotJesus

2020-07-30 06:57:29 UTC

you were emotionally invested in the talking point so much that you assumed the intention of the guy who made the video

2020-07-30 06:57:55 UTC

that wasnt a logical conclusion based off of what was said, it was an emotional reaction

2020-07-30 06:58:38 UTC

Sorry, if mr fox is fucking with my chickens, he's a dead fox walking, a bee stings me, dead bee flying, lol I don't really care about wildlife, it's not harmful to humans, thanks to our warmongers of the past, we've already prettymuch fucked this one, and I think the next biblical noahs ark needs to take form of interstellar travel to ensure the survival of whats left of humanity, but roger the alcoholic down the road is concerned his remaining brain cells are being fried by a cell tower... which science has already measured out to have little to no effect on human life

2020-07-30 06:58:59 UTC

Tru tru, but you're picking and choosing out of what I've said lol

2020-07-30 06:59:44 UTC

> Sorry, if mr fox is fucking with my chickens, he's a dead fox walking, a bee stings me, dead bee flying, lol I don't really care about wildlife, it's not harmful to humans, thanks to our warmongers of the past, we've already prettymuch fucked this one, and I think the next biblical noahs ark needs to take form of interstellar travel to ensure the survival of whats left of humanity, but roger the alcoholic down the road is concerned his remaining brain cells are being fried by a cell tower... which science has already measured out to have little to no effect on human life
@NotJesus is this a poem you just came up with?

2020-07-30 06:59:47 UTC

lol

2020-07-30 07:01:07 UTC

But guess what, we're too concerned about men fucking men and people wanting to identify as apache helicopters, people that want to modify their basic biology because they feel like they should be the opposite, fuck knows what else.. to be concerned about what really matters to save the planet

2020-07-30 07:01:27 UTC

i dont think its a logical conclusion to think that a planet thats still very much habitable and can easily be kept such with some changes is somehow a less appealing opportunity than an interstellar Noah's ark.

2020-07-30 07:02:57 UTC

Yeah but our thought processes really want away from all the lesser thought processes... if you ask me, I'd round all these weirdo groups up and put them on an uninhabitable island with promises of sex changes and acceptance...

2020-07-30 07:03:58 UTC

Because the way this planets going... nowhere... we're gonna wipe ourselves out if we allow this behaviour to breed

2020-07-30 07:04:59 UTC

We don't want to make weapons or frankensexes on our planet, we want to make new science... lol

2020-07-30 07:05:41 UTC

Mussolini thought the same funnily enough. Either way, preserving carbon sinks and ecologically is a good universal policy at this point and ill rather pursue that than hope that we somehow get enough organized labor to build a generation ship

2020-07-30 07:06:11 UTC

Here's hoping

2020-07-30 07:06:13 UTC

speaking of which

2020-07-30 07:06:42 UTC

good videos on the subject, lol

2020-07-30 07:06:43 UTC

I'm not doing it

2020-07-30 07:06:51 UTC

dont worry, you dont have to

2020-07-30 07:06:58 UTC

i like putting it up anyways

2020-07-30 07:07:05 UTC

I'm gonna yee haw outta this one

2020-07-30 07:07:28 UTC

the Brits are saying yee haw now i see lol

2020-07-30 07:07:34 UTC

cya

2020-07-30 07:08:01 UTC

This guy is literally the stereotype of American cowboy... lol

2020-07-30 07:08:28 UTC

hes from Ohio i guess

2020-07-30 07:08:31 UTC

Fuck what was that movie, George, are we gonna see the rabbits

2020-07-30 07:09:22 UTC

Lennie, have a look over there, *pulls luger out* *bang*

2020-07-30 07:09:22 UTC

live in 3 hours

2020-07-30 07:10:25 UTC

Ah I'll catch it after lol, was reading some stuff, setting stuff up

2020-07-30 07:11:44 UTC

i see

2020-07-30 07:11:58 UTC

Data execution prevention (DEP) and Return oriented programming (ROP) πŸ˜‰ for anybody that knows lol

2020-07-30 07:12:22 UTC

Really into reverse engineering right now.. lol

2020-07-30 07:13:00 UTC

Levelling up bois

2020-07-30 07:14:39 UTC

it was scary easy to hack just 6-7 years ago... lol

2020-07-30 07:17:21 UTC

I've been quite into security and programming since I was like 14, I'm a couple months off 21 now lol

2020-07-30 07:21:14 UTC

Hacking competitions look fun

2020-07-30 07:21:35 UTC

I mean like come on, you get rewarded for outsmarting programmers lol

2020-07-30 07:22:05 UTC

Good money as well.. lol

2020-07-30 07:22:23 UTC

|\\\\($.$)/

2020-07-30 07:24:57 UTC

Geohot just casually throws out on a hacking livestream with "You know what guys, if I get this, I'll buy a jetski"... why does he even need a jetski... dude literally sits stuck to a computer.... lol

2020-07-30 07:33:54 UTC

it sounds sad, I love tech more than I love people, I know what makes most people tick, but now I know what makes a computer tick, and it's so much more intricate than a persons thought process lol

2020-07-30 07:34:26 UTC

A clock cycle! Lol

2020-07-30 07:35:29 UTC

Brighten up you doomsday fear mongers

2020-07-30 22:26:28 UTC

uhm

2020-07-30 22:26:32 UTC

is this what yall talk about

2020-07-30 22:26:49 UTC

yes

2020-07-30 22:27:50 UTC

nasa?

2020-07-30 22:57:00 UTC

Lol

2020-07-30 23:08:44 UTC

Loll

2020-07-31 00:42:13 UTC

lol

2020-07-31 12:53:09 UTC

I don’t know if this is true but lmao

2020-07-31 12:53:16 UTC

He has a link to a torrent

2020-07-31 12:53:27 UTC

But I’m on my phone, gonna have to try later

2020-07-31 15:50:10 UTC

This server is quite dead

2020-07-31 15:50:17 UTC

We should make it not dead

2020-07-31 15:50:22 UTC

That would funny I think

2020-08-01 02:03:00 UTC

lol "pizzagate" protests

2020-08-01 02:08:43 UTC

https://banned.video/watch?id=5f249fa168370e02f2a8826f

2020-08-01 02:08:49 UTC

wouldn't be surprised if this were true

2020-08-01 02:09:16 UTC

'banned.video' never seen that site before

2020-08-01 02:09:57 UTC

i cant tell if thats irony or not lol

2020-08-01 02:10:05 UTC

nah, isnt irony

2020-08-01 02:10:15 UTC

its kinda like bitchute

2020-08-01 02:10:16 UTC

literally never seen it before, checking out the site

2020-08-01 02:10:18 UTC

i see

2020-08-01 02:10:24 UTC

banned.video is alex jones new video site

2020-08-01 02:10:55 UTC

its not only alex jones

2020-08-01 02:11:03 UTC

https://banned.video/watch?id=5f1a453e68370e02f298fb88

2020-08-01 02:11:24 UTC

lol David Icke is on this site

2020-08-01 02:11:36 UTC

is this an open forum? @guac

2020-08-01 02:12:01 UTC

i've only ever seen david icke types and alex jones types using it tbh so im not sure

2020-08-01 02:12:25 UTC

i see

2020-08-01 02:13:05 UTC

site looks pretty well setup either way

2020-08-01 02:28:16 UTC

They overturned the death penalty for this terrorist

2020-08-01 02:28:40 UTC

just dumb he deserves the death penalty

2020-08-01 20:27:35 UTC

Billionaires named

2020-08-02 07:55:14 UTC

@M0n4d hey everyone! im a representative from REAL DEBATES Server! We are looking for partnerships and wanted to reach out to an admin here to work out a deal!

2020-08-03 04:52:20 UTC

the 5g part is hilarious

2020-08-03 04:52:51 UTC

@NotJesus i think youll enjoy this video

2020-08-03 04:59:30 UTC

7:45 is where 5g is discussed

2020-08-03 08:37:02 UTC

<@&462399206766936095>

2020-08-03 08:37:08 UTC

?

2020-08-03 08:37:14 UTC
2020-08-03 08:37:38 UTC
2020-08-03 08:37:42 UTC

yo

2020-08-03 08:37:52 UTC

Nice cock

2020-08-03 08:38:01 UTC

thanks πŸ‘

2020-08-03 08:38:12 UTC

Of course

2020-08-03 08:38:46 UTC

im just watching something atm

2020-08-03 08:39:30 UTC

Porn?

2020-08-03 08:39:50 UTC

no, the video posted above

2020-08-03 22:07:14 UTC

hello

2020-08-03 23:46:14 UTC

Hello

2020-08-04 18:56:41 UTC

https://www.twitch.tv/z0nari live now arguing with viewers or just come to chill!

2020-08-04 23:30:01 UTC

fug

2020-08-04 23:30:04 UTC

fugger

2020-08-04 23:30:05 UTC

nif

2020-08-05 00:07:41 UTC

https://www.twitch.tv/z0nari live now arguing with viewers or just come to chill!

2020-08-05 03:41:09 UTC

it happened

2020-08-05 03:41:12 UTC

starship hop

2020-08-05 10:50:31 UTC

reminder that people like this actually exist

2020-08-05 10:51:01 UTC

and probably make up the majority of the human population

2020-08-06 21:11:36 UTC
2020-08-06 22:00:32 UTC

BRUH

2020-08-06 22:00:37 UTC

THIS HAS TO BE A MEME

2020-08-07 20:44:36 UTC
2020-08-09 00:52:32 UTC

alright

2020-08-09 00:52:35 UTC

I got shit to say

2020-08-09 01:08:29 UTC

Where do I go for a partnership?

2020-08-09 01:51:01 UTC

no

2020-08-09 02:04:18 UTC
2020-08-09 02:04:30 UTC

@bowlingpin#6532 he left before he said his shit

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