Henlo pals

Welcome fren

Just watch out for the AWD types and anyone who seems to want a ‘battle’ or is looking for conflict

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This is a cultural struggle, not an armed one.

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If someone doesn't understand that to be the current paradigm, they aren't welcome.

It's also just the way these things are fought and won. Real revolutions never, ever start with armed conflict. It's stupid to expect that.

Yes

I think us and Ie are pretty good interns of not having many spergs

Va and twp, that's a different storry.

We win the hearts and minds first. Then, whatever happens, happens. It's out of our hands at that point.

Does the nat soc message attract more spergs? I think there's a correlation.

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I don't think it does

Starting a guerilla war in which you plan to hide amongst the people is a plan that's dead on arrival if you've got no people that actually support or are neutral to your message in the general populace. Not saying that's our plan, but it's the plan of others.

@arcloop Tell me more. . .

There definitely is a correlation, not saying it tarnishes the actual quality of NatSoc itself, but those that are drawn in veer too often to making it some type of esoteric religion where Hitler is a god, his generals are saints, and all the soldiers are martyrs.

Beyond that, wanting to cookie-cutter/copy-paste a long deposed regime onto another continent in a new century, is another plan that's a non-starter, and one that's shared by a significant portion of the community.

I think honesty really is key. I would never join a movement that's secretly something else. Stealth is sometimes needed to get the job done, but I want to work with people who are what they say they are.

You counter signal too hard sime times @Thomas Ryan
That being said, German NatSoc won't work in the states. We will build something similar, but our own and relevant to us.

What did I say that you found disagreement with?

That said, I'm not against nat soc per se. I actually have no political affiliation. Whatever helps my people most is the thing that I want.

The deification of Hitler is not the norm with NatSoc types by my understanding. Esoteric hitlerism is very fringe.

But, edgelords and spergs are attracted to it for the wrong reasons.

Openly National Socialist organizations are somewhat of the fringe themselves, for better or worse, and the esotericists always seem to be the loudest and thus most able to veer the message of the group and all that, and when they can't and I shut that stuff down in the past, they freaked out and started splinter groups that amounted to little more than Let's-Hate-Thomas fan clubs, which then made even more noise.

Lol

@arcloop This is all I'm saying. Nat soc is fine in moderation, but that message does disproportionately attract the wrong people.

Then it sorts itself out

I never conducted a formal poll through all the autistic screeching, but the overall emanating vibe was that. The groups never lasted very long because they were based on resentment and negativity.

American Fascism is the future.

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NatSoc can be a good source of inspiration and legend. We need our myths and legends.

I'm gonna get dog-piled here, but America has always been a pretty small govt place. I see some libertarian/fascist hybrid as the way forward.

A Hoppe type covenant society.

Nah man. Small gov is a myth.

Look at all of the people arguing for how gov needs to solve problems. They don't believe in small gov. They believe that gov shouldn't hinder them. Big difference.

Governments had very little power in the way that we think of it before the 20th century. Totalitarianism isn't possible without modern technology. Jacques Ellul wrote a lot about this. I want a return to the limited governance, medieval system of aristocracy and large local control.

Fascism, as I understand it, is like a highly technologized managerial state. I just see it as something inorganic.

American Fascism would very likely be less authoritarian than its European counterparts, but there is a spirit of a national collective that would supplement the centralization of powers in an ideal nation state. People want small govt because they fear oppression and tyranny, and righly so, but the true way to solve such a possibility is to create a system which holds a revolutionary synthesis of the nation and the state as a chief component.

Tyranny occurs when the interests of the State diverge or eclipse those of the nation, but when everything is within the State, nothing is outside the State, and nothing stands against the State, there are no ways in which one entity could oppress the other, because there is merely one national, organic, and cohesive being.

Fascism, in general, is not bound by time or technology as a philosophy. It has existed, in one form or another, as long as humanity, but only more recently been given a name, and political interpretation.

It is supremely organic in that it organizes a nation not by means of artificial voting blocks, or materialistic classes, but by families, communities, and heritage, all of which are bound firmly to our natural state.

@Thomas Ryan I think all of that makes sense. I'm just a big fan of English common law, minus all the Enlightenment baggage. I believe in less government, but strong government, if that makes sense.

I think we want the same things: A return to traditional European governance that puts God, crown, State, and people into their appropriate hierarchies.

Got the new wired

I think the prime difference between Fascism and other systems is that there is not an end goal that resembles an "End of History" scenario in which everything is in balance and the storybook closes. The Fascist philosophy holds struggle as a non-tangential component of life, and seeks to create a system that is both sturdy, and dynamic as a result.

Here is where elements of Futurism come in, in my opinion, that humanity is not a static mass to be brought to an equilibrium, but a roaring force to be forged into something which can truly progress by means of a united, civilizational force of will.

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I've always thought of fascism, at least the way Hitler and Mussolini practiced it, as being a highly technical micro-managed form of governance in line with the managerial ideas of the corporate state that guys like Henry Ford advocated for. I'm saying that's a corrupted 20th century way of organizing the State and I want something more intuitive, less technoligized.

Fascism is a spook. Fascists view the State as the end-all-be-all, the one and only sovereign entity. Sovereignty comes from the Nation, it doesn’t organically arise from the State. Authoritarianism is needed to abruptly end the destruction of the Nation and to rebuild it, but eventually returning to early-form American federal republicanism is a worthy goal.

@Kek Exactly!

*Read Madison, not Mason*

Gegeg

Think of an organic nation state like your own body. You are not one being, in a way, you are million and millions of cells which have all found their rightful purpose and place, whether it's the neurons in your head, or the cells in the soles of your feet, every single flickering ember of life is working tirelessly for the survival of the collective. They are not all the same, they are not all doing the same things, but they are all unique in their functions and necessity.

When a nation has those individuals that act in their own interests alone, and seek to grow and amass resources as a means of growth as an end-strategy, you end up with a tumor.

https://itsgoingdown.org/fight-freedom-no-racist-sexist-fascists-dc/

@FlintShrubwood

@Fash Gordon UT The windows of time in which we could see the various implementations of Fascism were short, and the governments in place were formed as a result of a revolution, and then soon flung into a war for survival. The governments of Liberal Democracies were similarly authoritarian in that state, and they did not have to expend the effort to create a new political system, merely to enforce the norm.

@Kek Not sure if you knew, but this is a Fascist org you're in. You're conception of authority leading to tyranny absolutely seems to be something that my previous statement about the synthesis between the nation and the state would answer.

https://twitter.com/farmerdarrell/status/964930725190553600
@FASHRABBIT This guy needs to be reminded of why we wear the mask.

@Thomas Ryan I think it's hard to say how fascism in the 20th century would have played out because of this, and I think it's WAY more positive than the NWO system we have now. But is the technologized, managerial state of fascism the BEST system? I have my criticisms.

If I take off that mask, will you die?

I'm not sure what parts of what I have said have alluded to a technologized, managerial state. You seem to have an exclusively negative interpretation of some of what I have said.

I know it’s a fascist organization and I’m fine with using fascism as a tool to revive the nation state, but I don’t think it should be the end goal. Republicanism can function fine in a homogenous patriarchal nation state, as it did in the US for the first 175 years

> thinking republicanism was successful

@Thomas Ryan I think we want the same things, but we may define fascism differently. Is that fair to say?

@Kek Welcome to the organization you joined

The organization that labels itself *American Fascists*

American Fascism, seen through a revolution and a period of change and implementation of new systems, will likely settle into a highly restrictive form of Republic with a voting class chosen not by wealth or by equality, but by a certain set of metrics which judge one's sacrifice to society as a greater whole. All great civilizations thrive off of the backs of one sacrificing for many. If that willingness is not present, it's game over.

Y'all bought your kekistan flags yet?

Meh to republics

@Fash Gordon UT I think it's fair to say that one of us may have a definition of Fascism that is a little closer to the mark than the other.

I think it would have been very interesting to see how the Italians, Germans, Romanians and even perhaps the British would have dealt with the exchange of power that happens as the result of the death of a leader, or the end of a period of revolution and war, but sadly we did not get to see their solutions on the matter.

Franco, for all his success, could not get his heir to properly carry the torch, which is something a bit unfortunate.

@Thomas Ryan That may be. I'm on board with your ideas, and if that's fascism than c'est la vie. Can you recommend a treatise on fascism that best supports what you're talking about?

C'est la vie, indeed.

Standby.

Lemme see if I still have my pdf's.

http://www.worldfuturefund.org/wffmaster/Reading/Germany/mussolini.htm

http://cnqzu.com/library/Solar%20General/100-questions-about-fascism-oswald-mosley.pdf

Start there. 3, 2, 1.

100 Questions, then the Doctrine, then Tomorrow We Live.

Great start.

@Thomas Ryan Thanks. I've had that book recommended to me a lot, so it's high time I've read it. The only book of fascist doctrine that I've looked into is Rosenberg's, and there were some things in there that I didn't necessarily agree with.

>rosenberg

>rosen

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What book was that? @Fash Gordon UT

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I feel like the British interpretation of Fascism is likely among the closest that we would see implemented in harmony with America's national spirit, although it is by no means an exact, we share much in the ways of our history of government and laws and all that.

Doctrine of Fascism by Mussolini is a good book on fascism. It provides a very short, boiled down explaination of the core characteristics, it's basically fascism for dummies

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@Thomas Ryan https://books.google.com/books?id=pW08vgAACAAJ&dq=alfred+rosenberg&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwilxv230K3ZAhVH8GMKHSVAAfwQ6AEIVDAI

@Victor MD I'll read it. Thank you!

Anarcho Tyranny in one photo.

@Chris MA Where is this?

American Fascism

Y'all keeping up with the twp event?

@Charlemagne MD Knoxville speech?

https://twitter.com/PuritySpiral1/status/964942050264276993
"If I take that off, will you get doxxed?"