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statists are pro theft
that's sort of why there is the whole revolution idea?
The worker and capitalist make a contract
the worker breaks that contract
capitalist is a worker
no they are not
statism is based
The idea is that the capitalists hires goons to enforce their contract
well communists i say are statists
Stefs show is completely voluntarily funded, and agrees with his philosophy, vash says it's not a business when he pays regular business expenditures like editing... which are not one off payments like plumbing.
? stop the employment? pay a fine? idk thats decided and agreed by the employee and employer
Stefan is a statist?
It’s not theft if were under full fledged communism <:bigbosssalute:632815531547689001>
@Coragus Molyneux's own principles would say Vaush is fine doing what he's doing. It's Vaush's principles that demand he do what Moly's talking about in sharing the wealh
why do they need goons?
this is fuckijg ridiculous lok
Do you think an entire society can exist on the honor code?
@Scythos the owner brings the contract to a 3rd party who enforces the signed contract as it says in the contract to do so
who is the 3rd party?
who is this 3rd party?
the employer needs workers, the workers need money. the employer gives a contract that states what he wants, the worker takes the contract or not out of his own free will. where is the need for goons
The IRS guidlines define people who work regularly at specific locations (regardless of being subs) should be employees.
who they agree to
Wait for it ...
No one is a statist here.
To be a statist you need to be realistic beyond what is profitable for person making a living from producing entertaining videos
your best friend
okay so I did it
if the contract is broke, the employer is no longer employing the worker
anything the people want
And I got this
The need for goons is the backing out of the deal
what does this mean
Fine the 3rd party dictates what a rightful decision is
Uh-huh, ok Vaush. Keep making excuses.
I dont get it
the need for a 3rd party to hold signers accountable is backing out of the deal?
But how about if the worker still doesn't care about the 3rd party's opinion?
what does it say about me
I write contracts that are supposed to skirt these lines on a regular basis. So I'm pretty confident about what I'm talking about. There is a gray area for the sub employee relationship.
since this is a stateless society, do you not think there would be some credit scores like ebay points or w/e that follows you?
What does IT MEAN TELL ME
I don't think that something like that would exist
Ok time for the real show
my marriage doesn't need contract enforcement
Even if it did
I am a worker and I want to break this contract for some reason
@Marushia Dark pretending that vaush hasn't refuted what you said is not a good look
Who's gonna stop me?
the 3rd party that you agreed to have arrest you
no one, u break the contract, u pay the previously agreed termination terms
Consent is key
if u dont, ur credit rating goes down.
At least on your civil axis
ok the 3rd party is the people who have the power to act upon me
u dont get employed by other employers
Stefan is bae
And I'm scared
because idk what it means
Somebody tell me
so the organization that does violence isn't the state because we signed a paper
but where is the violence?
am I dear to society from this
Mods make a temporary ama channel. for granola infused Stefan.
no the 3rd party does not have a monopoly on force
i never said anything about arrests
a state does
are us 2 arguing this
or are u including other people as well
The third party contractually has the right to "arrest" (your words) the worker
? i never said anything about arrests lol
I meant Daddy Nomad
i talked about ratings like ebay ratings
I NEED ANSWER
what about if the worker doesn't care about the third party's opinions
who cares about someone's opinions
why wouldnt u?
who cares about what a piece of paper says
the big T word
i buy things on ebay, and i check the vendors rating
do u not?
I feel that I want to break this contract for some reason, so I broke the contract
go break it
That was a good debate, good work to the moderator 👍
say u dont fulfill its termination terms
So when Vosh gets uncomfortable does he always run home?
ur rating gets damaged
that was a really productive discussion
My credit score is reduced
Society puts value into a 3rd party credit score
who cares about this number?
society puts value into a monopoly on force for reasons
who cares about this monopoly
see what i did?
so dont do what i did
I'm trying to say the only reason people care is violence
is this the kids are bad that's why people should own things individually argument?
if u got a low rating, theres no violence involved
no one is pointing a gun at u
But what happens if this number is lowered
that I dont work in society
Democratic Socialism ends up running out of money
that I suck
My credit score goes down and who does this credit score matter to?
idk, maybe other businesses dont want to hire u
imagine being such an epic moron
as a dibater
maybe when u want to make a contract with someone else, they see ur shit rating, they would have second thoughts
if morality wasn't that complicated then it wouldn't be a discussion that philosophers have had for millennia
i was refering to moleneux
no violence involved
They wouldn't hire me
if u want to go off and live by urself, be my guest and break every contract u voluntarily signed
So in a capitalist system, the capitalists own capital. I'd imagine part of any contract is that the workers can't just take all the capital and claim to own it themselves and take all the profits. How about if all the workers in the building did it?
The workers just take the factory for themselves
They're gonna get fired?
the contract is u work for me, i pay u wage
u dont work for me, i dont pay u wage
The wage is money
is that difficult to understand?
The money is generated from selling the products
The products are produced by me
I take the products
you can't give me a wage
but I can sell the products
who the fk cares about u producing the product, i already paid u a wage which u voluntarily agreed to
I am "stealing" your profits
if say my business fails, the products u produced were not selling
can i go to u and demand u pay me the losses?
Your business failed because I didn't give you the products
Not everyone provides the same value to any company or business . . . In fact about 10 percent of any company provide over half the value
no u gave me products
but i was a retard and my products dont sell
Yes that tragic
What I am saying is that we have a successful buisness
oh in that case its tragic?
You own it, I work in it
??? in a case of bad business, i own it, u work in it
whats the difference
@Probably Tim can you ask Vaush if he's interested in debating Kokesh and what his schedule is?
im the one taking the risk
I say I take all the products and give you nothing and sell them for myself which dishonors our contract
then u broke the contract
You angrily lower my credit score
but I still get my money
and u committed theft
the police are gonna arrest me?
hmm, private security?
that doesnt exist?
? what violence?
I DONT WANT TO BE NORMAL
u already committed theft
that counteracts my theft
Security guards beat people up
do u not think the fact that u stole, already forfeits ur defence?
no they dont beat people up
so what does security do then
they go to u and ask to have the goods back
if u dont, ur ratings will probably go down to the bottom
i will take my loss
a security guard cant do shit
and u will have nothing in ur life except the stolen goods
a security guard that asks me nicely to return my product
THEY DONT EVEN HAVE A GUN
what's the point of hiring him anyways
this guy is dumb
to make you feel guilty?
my property the lake
if a lawinforcer has no gun
that I made
What did I miss?
they are dead