#debate-chat (Discord ID: 624762697493512213) in Blue Politics, page 16


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2020-02-24 02:46:15 UTC

statists are pro theft

2020-02-24 02:46:20 UTC

<:Ancap:551816775881326607>

2020-02-24 02:46:20 UTC

that's sort of why there is the whole revolution idea?

2020-02-24 02:46:21 UTC

The worker and capitalist make a contract

2020-02-24 02:46:26 UTC

the worker breaks that contract

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capitalist is a worker

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<:worrypepe:586396172562857994>

2020-02-24 02:46:31 UTC

what do?

2020-02-24 02:46:37 UTC

@Crazynomad neither of them are statist, right?

2020-02-24 02:46:47 UTC

no they are not

2020-02-24 02:46:50 UTC

statism is based

2020-02-24 02:46:54 UTC

The idea is that the capitalists hires goons to enforce their contract

2020-02-24 02:46:55 UTC

well communists i say are statists

2020-02-24 02:46:55 UTC

Stefs show is completely voluntarily funded, and agrees with his philosophy, vash says it's not a business when he pays regular business expenditures like editing... which are not one off payments like plumbing.

2020-02-24 02:46:57 UTC

? stop the employment? pay a fine? idk thats decided and agreed by the employee and employer

2020-02-24 02:47:00 UTC

Stefan is a statist?

2020-02-24 02:47:01 UTC

It’s not theft if were under full fledged communism <:bigbosssalute:632815531547689001>

2020-02-24 02:47:02 UTC

@Coragus Molyneux's own principles would say Vaush is fine doing what he's doing. It's Vaush's principles that demand he do what Moly's talking about in sharing the wealh

2020-02-24 02:47:05 UTC

why do they need goons?

2020-02-24 02:47:26 UTC

this is fuckijg ridiculous lok

2020-02-24 02:47:28 UTC

Do you think an entire society can exist on the honor code?

2020-02-24 02:47:28 UTC

lol

2020-02-24 02:47:28 UTC

@Scythos the owner brings the contract to a 3rd party who enforces the signed contract as it says in the contract to do so

2020-02-24 02:47:34 UTC

who is the 3rd party?

2020-02-24 02:47:39 UTC

who is this 3rd party?

2020-02-24 02:47:39 UTC

busy man

2020-02-24 02:47:46 UTC

the employer needs workers, the workers need money. the employer gives a contract that states what he wants, the worker takes the contract or not out of his own free will. where is the need for goons

2020-02-24 02:47:46 UTC

The IRS guidlines define people who work regularly at specific locations (regardless of being subs) should be employees.

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who they agree to

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on signing

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Wait for it ...

2020-02-24 02:47:56 UTC

No one is a statist here.
To be a statist you need to be realistic beyond what is profitable for person making a living from producing entertaining videos

2020-02-24 02:47:59 UTC

Sub contractors

2020-02-24 02:48:05 UTC

your best friend

2020-02-24 02:48:06 UTC

a dog

2020-02-24 02:48:07 UTC

idk

2020-02-24 02:48:07 UTC

okay so I did it

2020-02-24 02:48:10 UTC

if the contract is broke, the employer is no longer employing the worker

2020-02-24 02:48:10 UTC

anything the people want

2020-02-24 02:48:12 UTC

And I got this

2020-02-24 02:48:15 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/624762697493512213/681331532488638576/Screenshot_20200223-214743_Chrome.jpg

2020-02-24 02:48:17 UTC

The need for goons is the backing out of the deal

2020-02-24 02:48:28 UTC

what does this mean

2020-02-24 02:48:29 UTC

Fine the 3rd party dictates what a rightful decision is

2020-02-24 02:48:31 UTC

Uh-huh, ok Vaush. Keep making excuses.

2020-02-24 02:48:32 UTC

I dont get it

2020-02-24 02:48:42 UTC

59.9% moderate

2020-02-24 02:48:43 UTC

the need for a 3rd party to hold signers accountable is backing out of the deal?

2020-02-24 02:48:44 UTC

But how about if the worker still doesn't care about the 3rd party's opinion?

2020-02-24 02:48:47 UTC

what does it say about me

2020-02-24 02:48:48 UTC

ok

2020-02-24 02:48:50 UTC

I write contracts that are supposed to skirt these lines on a regular basis. So I'm pretty confident about what I'm talking about. There is a gray area for the sub employee relationship.

2020-02-24 02:48:53 UTC

since this is a stateless society, do you not think there would be some credit scores like ebay points or w/e that follows you?

2020-02-24 02:48:55 UTC

@CrazynomadI AM SCARED

2020-02-24 02:49:03 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/624762697493512213/681331730782748684/Screenshot_20200223-214854.png

2020-02-24 02:49:04 UTC

What does IT MEAN TELL ME

2020-02-24 02:49:05 UTC

I don't think that something like that would exist

2020-02-24 02:49:07 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/624762697493512213/681331748063281290/Screenshot_20200223-214743_Chrome.jpg

2020-02-24 02:49:09 UTC

Ok time for the real show

2020-02-24 02:49:10 UTC

my marriage doesn't need contract enforcement

2020-02-24 02:49:10 UTC

Even if it did

2020-02-24 02:49:11 UTC

<:Ancap:551816775881326607>

2020-02-24 02:49:12 UTC

Who cares?

2020-02-24 02:49:22 UTC

I am a worker and I want to break this contract for some reason

2020-02-24 02:49:25 UTC

TELL ME @Scythos @Crazynomad @PsyCo what does it mean

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/624762697493512213/681331823984246785/Screenshot_20200223-214743_Chrome.jpg

2020-02-24 02:49:26 UTC

@Marushia Dark pretending that vaush hasn't refuted what you said is not a good look

2020-02-24 02:49:27 UTC

Who's gonna stop me?

2020-02-24 02:49:40 UTC

Respectable

2020-02-24 02:49:41 UTC

the 3rd party that you agreed to have arrest you

2020-02-24 02:49:44 UTC

no one, u break the contract, u pay the previously agreed termination terms

2020-02-24 02:49:47 UTC

Consent is key

2020-02-24 02:49:49 UTC

Stefan ❀️

2020-02-24 02:49:51 UTC

if u dont, ur credit rating goes down.

2020-02-24 02:49:56 UTC

At least on your civil axis

2020-02-24 02:49:59 UTC

ok the 3rd party is the people who have the power to act upon me

2020-02-24 02:50:01 UTC

aka

2020-02-24 02:50:02 UTC

u dont get employed by other employers

2020-02-24 02:50:02 UTC

the state

2020-02-24 02:50:02 UTC

@nisabee I got this

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/624762697493512213/681331980343967831/Screenshot_20200223-214743_Chrome.jpg

2020-02-24 02:50:07 UTC

Stefan is bae

2020-02-24 02:50:08 UTC

And I'm scared

2020-02-24 02:50:11 UTC

@Scythos no. A state is not consented to

2020-02-24 02:50:16 UTC

bruh

2020-02-24 02:50:17 UTC

because idk what it means

2020-02-24 02:50:20 UTC

ok

2020-02-24 02:50:22 UTC

ok

2020-02-24 02:50:27 UTC

Somebody tell me

2020-02-24 02:50:27 UTC

ok

2020-02-24 02:50:33 UTC

so the organization that does violence isn't the state because we signed a paper

2020-02-24 02:50:34 UTC

Ok

2020-02-24 02:50:41 UTC

but where is the violence?

2020-02-24 02:50:45 UTC

the arrest

2020-02-24 02:50:45 UTC

am I dear to society from this

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/624762697493512213/681332160161906710/Screenshot_20200223-214743_Chrome.jpg

2020-02-24 02:50:48 UTC

Mods make a temporary ama channel. for granola infused Stefan.

2020-02-24 02:50:52 UTC

no the 3rd party does not have a monopoly on force

2020-02-24 02:50:53 UTC

i never said anything about arrests

2020-02-24 02:50:54 UTC

a state does

2020-02-24 02:51:01 UTC

are us 2 arguing this

2020-02-24 02:51:07 UTC

or are u including other people as well

2020-02-24 02:51:24 UTC

The third party contractually has the right to "arrest" (your words) the worker

2020-02-24 02:51:34 UTC

? i never said anything about arrests lol

2020-02-24 02:51:43 UTC

I meant Daddy Nomad

2020-02-24 02:51:44 UTC

<#659940126759190528>

2020-02-24 02:51:55 UTC

lol

2020-02-24 02:51:57 UTC

So nisabee

2020-02-24 02:52:00 UTC

@nisabee w hat does this mean

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/624762697493512213/681332472591679513/Screenshot_20200223-214743_Chrome.jpg

2020-02-24 02:52:02 UTC

i talked about ratings like ebay ratings

2020-02-24 02:52:04 UTC

tell me

2020-02-24 02:52:09 UTC

I NEED ANSWER

2020-02-24 02:52:23 UTC

what about if the worker doesn't care about the third party's opinions

2020-02-24 02:52:30 UTC

who cares about someone's opinions

2020-02-24 02:52:32 UTC

Objective truth?

2020-02-24 02:52:33 UTC

wow

2020-02-24 02:52:37 UTC

why wouldnt u?

2020-02-24 02:52:38 UTC

who cares about what a piece of paper says

2020-02-24 02:52:40 UTC

the big T word

2020-02-24 02:52:42 UTC

Because reasons

2020-02-24 02:52:44 UTC

i buy things on ebay, and i check the vendors rating

2020-02-24 02:52:47 UTC

do u not?

2020-02-24 02:52:58 UTC

I feel that I want to break this contract for some reason, so I broke the contract

2020-02-24 02:53:03 UTC

go break it

2020-02-24 02:53:07 UTC

That was a good debate, good work to the moderator πŸ‘

2020-02-24 02:53:12 UTC

say u dont fulfill its termination terms

2020-02-24 02:53:13 UTC

So when Vosh gets uncomfortable does he always run home?

2020-02-24 02:53:17 UTC

ur rating gets damaged

2020-02-24 02:53:20 UTC

that was a really productive discussion

2020-02-24 02:53:31 UTC

My credit score is reduced

2020-02-24 02:53:46 UTC

Society puts value into a 3rd party credit score

2020-02-24 02:53:50 UTC

for reasons

2020-02-24 02:54:09 UTC

who cares about this number?

2020-02-24 02:54:09 UTC

society puts value into a monopoly on force for reasons

2020-02-24 02:54:16 UTC

who cares about this monopoly

2020-02-24 02:54:18 UTC

see what i did?

2020-02-24 02:54:21 UTC

Yes

2020-02-24 02:54:28 UTC

so dont do what i did

2020-02-24 02:54:30 UTC

@nisabee society made me this

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/624762697493512213/681333103729573897/Screenshot_20200223-214743_Chrome.jpg

2020-02-24 02:54:37 UTC

I'm trying to say the only reason people care is violence

2020-02-24 02:54:39 UTC

is this the kids are bad that's why people should own things individually argument?

2020-02-24 02:54:42 UTC

no mate

2020-02-24 02:54:52 UTC

if u got a low rating, theres no violence involved

2020-02-24 02:55:01 UTC

no one is pointing a gun at u

2020-02-24 02:55:02 UTC

@nisabeeWHAT ARE THESE RESULTS SAYING ABOUT ME

2020-02-24 02:55:06 UTC

But what happens if this number is lowered

2020-02-24 02:55:09 UTC

that I dont work in society

2020-02-24 02:55:11 UTC

Democratic Socialism ends up running out of money

2020-02-24 02:55:16 UTC

that I suck

2020-02-24 02:55:18 UTC

My credit score goes down and who does this credit score matter to?

2020-02-24 02:55:19 UTC

idk, maybe other businesses dont want to hire u

2020-02-24 02:55:20 UTC

imagine being such an epic moron

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as a dibater

2020-02-24 02:55:33 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/624762697493512213/681333368276910084/Screenshot_20200223-214743_Chrome.jpg

2020-02-24 02:55:43 UTC

maybe when u want to make a contract with someone else, they see ur shit rating, they would have second thoughts

2020-02-24 02:55:44 UTC

if morality wasn't that complicated then it wouldn't be a discussion that philosophers have had for millennia

2020-02-24 02:55:50 UTC

i was refering to moleneux

2020-02-24 02:55:52 UTC

no violence involved

2020-02-24 02:56:03 UTC

They wouldn't hire me

2020-02-24 02:56:33 UTC

@bffhfh is trolling, look at their profile roles.

2020-02-24 02:56:34 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/624762697493512213/681333622879289457/EPMALp1U0AIcDJK.jpeg

2020-02-24 02:56:40 UTC

@Spacebeard Please be civil in this server

2020-02-24 02:56:42 UTC

if u want to go off and live by urself, be my guest and break every contract u voluntarily signed

2020-02-24 02:56:44 UTC

Im not

2020-02-24 02:56:47 UTC

Wut

2020-02-24 02:56:51 UTC

So in a capitalist system, the capitalists own capital. I'd imagine part of any contract is that the workers can't just take all the capital and claim to own it themselves and take all the profits. How about if all the workers in the building did it?

2020-02-24 02:57:05 UTC

The workers just take the factory for themselves

2020-02-24 02:57:10 UTC

They're gonna get fired?

2020-02-24 02:57:11 UTC

?what capital

2020-02-24 02:57:18 UTC

the contract is u work for me, i pay u wage

2020-02-24 02:57:26 UTC

u dont work for me, i dont pay u wage

2020-02-24 02:57:28 UTC

The wage is money

2020-02-24 02:57:32 UTC

is that difficult to understand?

2020-02-24 02:57:36 UTC

The money is generated from selling the products

2020-02-24 02:57:41 UTC

The products are produced by me

2020-02-24 02:57:44 UTC

I take the products

2020-02-24 02:57:48 UTC

you can't give me a wage

2020-02-24 02:57:51 UTC

but I can sell the products

2020-02-24 02:58:04 UTC

who the fk cares about u producing the product, i already paid u a wage which u voluntarily agreed to

2020-02-24 02:58:18 UTC

I am "stealing" your profits

2020-02-24 02:58:24 UTC

if say my business fails, the products u produced were not selling

2020-02-24 02:58:34 UTC

can i go to u and demand u pay me the losses?

2020-02-24 02:58:40 UTC

Your business failed because I didn't give you the products

2020-02-24 02:58:41 UTC

Not everyone provides the same value to any company or business . . . In fact about 10 percent of any company provide over half the value

2020-02-24 02:58:46 UTC

no u gave me products

2020-02-24 02:58:47 UTC

@Prp5 Hey!

2020-02-24 02:58:52 UTC

but i was a retard and my products dont sell

2020-02-24 02:58:56 UTC

Yo

2020-02-24 02:59:01 UTC

Yes that tragic

2020-02-24 02:59:10 UTC

What I am saying is that we have a successful buisness

2020-02-24 02:59:14 UTC

oh in that case its tragic?

2020-02-24 02:59:14 UTC

You own it, I work in it

2020-02-24 02:59:25 UTC

??? in a case of bad business, i own it, u work in it

2020-02-24 02:59:29 UTC

whats the difference

2020-02-24 02:59:43 UTC

@Probably Tim can you ask Vaush if he's interested in debating Kokesh and what his schedule is?

2020-02-24 02:59:45 UTC

im the one taking the risk

2020-02-24 02:59:48 UTC

I say I take all the products and give you nothing and sell them for myself which dishonors our contract

2020-02-24 02:59:59 UTC

then u broke the contract

2020-02-24 03:00:01 UTC

You angrily lower my credit score

2020-02-24 03:00:11 UTC

but I still get my money

2020-02-24 03:00:12 UTC

and u committed theft

2020-02-24 03:00:15 UTC

Ok and?

2020-02-24 03:00:21 UTC

the police are gonna arrest me?

2020-02-24 03:00:38 UTC

NOOOOO

2020-02-24 03:00:40 UTC

hmm, private security?

2020-02-24 03:00:43 UTC

I'm normal

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that doesnt exist?

2020-02-24 03:00:47 UTC

private security

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NOOOOOOOOO

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yes

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YES

2020-02-24 03:00:53 UTC

PRIVATE SECURITY

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NOOOOOO

2020-02-24 03:00:54 UTC

VIOLENCE

2020-02-24 03:00:59 UTC

? what violence?

2020-02-24 03:01:02 UTC

I DONT WANT TO BE NORMAL

2020-02-24 03:01:03 UTC

u already committed theft

2020-02-24 03:01:04 UTC

the security

2020-02-24 03:01:08 UTC

lol

2020-02-24 03:01:10 UTC

that counteracts my theft

2020-02-24 03:01:12 UTC

toothbrush

2020-02-24 03:01:12 UTC

I wanna be differnne @Chief Rocket Designer

2020-02-24 03:01:15 UTC

Security guards beat people up

2020-02-24 03:01:20 UTC

do u not think the fact that u stole, already forfeits ur defence?

2020-02-24 03:01:24 UTC
2020-02-24 03:01:24 UTC

no they dont beat people up

2020-02-24 03:01:24 UTC

it does

2020-02-24 03:01:27 UTC

ok

2020-02-24 03:01:31 UTC

so what does security do then

2020-02-24 03:01:35 UTC

@Scythos YOUR TO FUCKING DREAMY

2020-02-24 03:01:37 UTC

OKAY

2020-02-24 03:01:43 UTC

they go to u and ask to have the goods back

2020-02-24 03:01:47 UTC

no

2020-02-24 03:01:53 UTC

if u dont, ur ratings will probably go down to the bottom

2020-02-24 03:01:57 UTC

@WesleyTheG Stefan and Kokesh will be here together late March

2020-02-24 03:01:58 UTC

i will take my loss

2020-02-24 03:02:00 UTC

<#667049936810016778>

2020-02-24 03:02:01 UTC

hi guys

2020-02-24 03:02:02 UTC

a security guard cant do shit

2020-02-24 03:02:12 UTC

and u will have nothing in ur life except the stolen goods

2020-02-24 03:02:15 UTC

a security guard that asks me nicely to return my product

2020-02-24 03:02:27 UTC

THEY DONT EVEN HAVE A GUN

2020-02-24 03:02:31 UTC

that's hilarious

2020-02-24 03:02:38 UTC

what's the point of hiring him anyways

2020-02-24 03:02:40 UTC

this guy is dumb

2020-02-24 03:02:41 UTC

wtf

2020-02-24 03:02:42 UTC

to make you feel guilty?

2020-02-24 03:02:43 UTC

my property the lake

2020-02-24 03:02:43 UTC

if a lawinforcer has no gun

2020-02-24 03:02:45 UTC

that I made

2020-02-24 03:02:47 UTC

What did I miss?

2020-02-24 03:02:47 UTC

they are dead

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