#debate-chat (Discord ID: 624762697493512213) in Blue Politics, page 16

statists are pro theft

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that's sort of why there is the whole revolution idea?

The worker and capitalist make a contract

the worker breaks that contract

capitalist is a worker

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what do?

@Crazynomad neither of them are statist, right?

no they are not

statism is based

The idea is that the capitalists hires goons to enforce their contract

well communists i say are statists

Stefs show is completely voluntarily funded, and agrees with his philosophy, vash says it's not a business when he pays regular business expenditures like editing... which are not one off payments like plumbing.

? stop the employment? pay a fine? idk thats decided and agreed by the employee and employer

Stefan is a statist?

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@Coragus Molyneux's own principles would say Vaush is fine doing what he's doing. It's Vaush's principles that demand he do what Moly's talking about in sharing the wealh

why do they need goons?

this is fuckijg ridiculous lok

Do you think an entire society can exist on the honor code?

lol

@Scythos the owner brings the contract to a 3rd party who enforces the signed contract as it says in the contract to do so

who is the 3rd party?

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who is this 3rd party?

busy man

the employer needs workers, the workers need money. the employer gives a contract that states what he wants, the worker takes the contract or not out of his own free will. where is the need for goons

The IRS guidlines define people who work regularly at specific locations (regardless of being subs) should be employees.

who they agree to

on signing

Wait for it ...

No one is a statist here.
To be a statist you need to be realistic beyond what is profitable for person making a living from producing entertaining videos

Sub contractors

your best friend

a dog

idk

okay so I did it

if the contract is broke, the employer is no longer employing the worker

anything the people want

And I got this

The need for goons is the backing out of the deal

what does this mean

Fine the 3rd party dictates what a rightful decision is

Uh-huh, ok Vaush. Keep making excuses.

I dont get it

59.9% moderate

the need for a 3rd party to hold signers accountable is backing out of the deal?

But how about if the worker still doesn't care about the 3rd party's opinion?

what does it say about me

ok

I write contracts that are supposed to skirt these lines on a regular basis. So I'm pretty confident about what I'm talking about. There is a gray area for the sub employee relationship.

since this is a stateless society, do you not think there would be some credit scores like ebay points or w/e that follows you?

@CrazynomadI AM SCARED

What does IT MEAN TELL ME

I don't think that something like that would exist

Ok time for the real show

my marriage doesn't need contract enforcement

Even if it did

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Who cares?

I am a worker and I want to break this contract for some reason

TELL ME @Scythos @Crazynomad @PsyCo what does it mean

@Marushia Dark pretending that vaush hasn't refuted what you said is not a good look

Who's gonna stop me?

Respectable

the 3rd party that you agreed to have arrest you

no one, u break the contract, u pay the previously agreed termination terms

Consent is key

Stefan ❤️

if u dont, ur credit rating goes down.

At least on your civil axis

ok the 3rd party is the people who have the power to act upon me

aka

u dont get employed by other employers

the state

@nisabee I got this

Stefan is bae

And I'm scared

@Scythos no. A state is not consented to

bruh

because idk what it means

ok

ok

Somebody tell me

ok

so the organization that does violence isn't the state because we signed a paper

Ok

but where is the violence?

the arrest

am I dear to society from this

Mods make a temporary ama channel. for granola infused Stefan.

no the 3rd party does not have a monopoly on force

i never said anything about arrests

a state does

are us 2 arguing this

or are u including other people as well

The third party contractually has the right to "arrest" (your words) the worker

? i never said anything about arrests lol

I meant Daddy Nomad

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lol

So nisabee

@nisabee w hat does this mean

i talked about ratings like ebay ratings

tell me

I NEED ANSWER

what about if the worker doesn't care about the third party's opinions

who cares about someone's opinions

Objective truth?

wow

why wouldnt u?

who cares about what a piece of paper says

the big T word

Because reasons

i buy things on ebay, and i check the vendors rating

do u not?

I feel that I want to break this contract for some reason, so I broke the contract

go break it

That was a good debate, good work to the moderator 👍

say u dont fulfill its termination terms

So when Vosh gets uncomfortable does he always run home?

ur rating gets damaged

that was a really productive discussion

My credit score is reduced

Society puts value into a 3rd party credit score

for reasons

who cares about this number?

society puts value into a monopoly on force for reasons

who cares about this monopoly

see what i did?

Yes

so dont do what i did

@nisabee society made me this

I'm trying to say the only reason people care is violence

is this the kids are bad that's why people should own things individually argument?

no mate

if u got a low rating, theres no violence involved

no one is pointing a gun at u

@nisabeeWHAT ARE THESE RESULTS SAYING ABOUT ME

But what happens if this number is lowered

that I dont work in society

Democratic Socialism ends up running out of money

that I suck

My credit score goes down and who does this credit score matter to?

idk, maybe other businesses dont want to hire u

imagine being such an epic moron

as a dibater

@Spacebeard me

maybe when u want to make a contract with someone else, they see ur shit rating, they would have second thoughts

if morality wasn't that complicated then it wouldn't be a discussion that philosophers have had for millennia

i was refering to moleneux

no violence involved

They wouldn't hire me

@bffhfh is trolling, look at their profile roles.

@Spacebeard Please be civil in this server

if u want to go off and live by urself, be my guest and break every contract u voluntarily signed

Im not

Wut

So in a capitalist system, the capitalists own capital. I'd imagine part of any contract is that the workers can't just take all the capital and claim to own it themselves and take all the profits. How about if all the workers in the building did it?

The workers just take the factory for themselves

They're gonna get fired?

?what capital

the contract is u work for me, i pay u wage

u dont work for me, i dont pay u wage

The wage is money

is that difficult to understand?

The money is generated from selling the products

The products are produced by me

I take the products

you can't give me a wage

but I can sell the products

who the fk cares about u producing the product, i already paid u a wage which u voluntarily agreed to

I am "stealing" your profits

if say my business fails, the products u produced were not selling

can i go to u and demand u pay me the losses?

Your business failed because I didn't give you the products

Not everyone provides the same value to any company or business . . . In fact about 10 percent of any company provide over half the value

no u gave me products

@Prp5 Hey!

but i was a retard and my products dont sell

Yo

Yes that tragic

What I am saying is that we have a successful buisness

oh in that case its tragic?

You own it, I work in it

??? in a case of bad business, i own it, u work in it

whats the difference

@Probably Tim can you ask Vaush if he's interested in debating Kokesh and what his schedule is?

im the one taking the risk

I say I take all the products and give you nothing and sell them for myself which dishonors our contract

then u broke the contract

You angrily lower my credit score

but I still get my money

and u committed theft

Ok and?

the police are gonna arrest me?

NOOOOO

hmm, private security?

I'm normal

that doesnt exist?

private security

NOOOOOOOOO

yes

YES

PRIVATE SECURITY

NOOOOOO

VIOLENCE

? what violence?

I DONT WANT TO BE NORMAL

u already committed theft

the security

lol

that counteracts my theft

toothbrush

I wanna be differnne @Chief Rocket Designer

Security guards beat people up

do u not think the fact that u stole, already forfeits ur defence?

@Scythos no

no they dont beat people up

it does

ok

so what does security do then

@Scythos YOUR TO FUCKING DREAMY

OKAY

they go to u and ask to have the goods back

no

if u dont, ur ratings will probably go down to the bottom

@WesleyTheG Stefan and Kokesh will be here together late March

i will take my loss

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hi guys

a security guard cant do shit

and u will have nothing in ur life except the stolen goods

a security guard that asks me nicely to return my product

THEY DONT EVEN HAVE A GUN

that's hilarious

what's the point of hiring him anyways

this guy is dumb

wtf

to make you feel guilty?

my property the lake

if a lawinforcer has no gun

that I made

What did I miss?

they are dead