@Mr. X It's hard to say, at least like 50% if not more of this discord are various anti-leftist trolls. It was heavily infiltrated, and many stayed just not really caring lol.

What? No, most people here are definitely leftists.

I'd say like 30-40% are trolls

But not 50 or more than that

Oh maybe your estimation is better then, lol. I was here for quite a long time and gained such an assumption after seeing how much people post what and looking at online list of people.

What I find strange is how owner claimed to be Antifa few times, yet lets all the fascists and nazis in here.

I've been here and very active here for a long time too.
I doubt he's antifa but this is a free speech server so of course he'll allow them.

Maybe people think there's so many because of the spammers.

But in reality most people are on the left for sure.

Especially the most active

@National Trotskyist I know what classical liberalism is, and that guy definitely presents himself as one (I know him from another server, to my displeasure). And of course European liberals are the center-right, they're now attracting what used to be "socialist" parties (look at the bullshittery the PS and PCF are engaging in in France).

"health care is just dependence on authoritarianism"
>implying authoritarianism is bad
Lmao "pls statists dont take my cummies and gang weed away" coward

^

@DOLBATIC Which guy?

Too much authoritarianism is bad.

and no, liberals are left.

not center right lol

authoritarianism is good

No

wrong

No, you

wrong again

no you

stop shitting up <#314649062928547840>

no u

read marx

no I dont read garbage

yes you do

https://mltheory.files.wordpress.com/2017/06/fundamentals-of-marxism-leninism.pdf
https://mltheory.files.wordpress.com/2017/11/the-fundamentalist-of-the-marxist-lenin-philosophy.pdf
https://www.marxists.org/subject/economy/authors/pe/

No I dont

sad

Yes, you

alright liberal

alright nazi

🤣

Yes

MAGA

@Mr. X the ancap

And calling liberalism left-wing is just you speaking as an Amerimutt.

Im not ancap, retard. Nor am I american retard. And yes liberalism is left wing retard.

Did I call you an ancap? lol

So what does liberalisn mean?

Yes, you did.

Google it.

Better yet, research them more.

A lot more

Not everything right to communism is on the right

I was referring to @theepicone

classical liberalism and neoliberalism are left-wing huh

Yes

And Im not An actual anarchist.

So dont tag me

I'd expect nothing else from an unironic Nietzchean

I know you dont expect sense, you're senseless

forgive me for questioning your ubermensch reason and logic <:merchant:323550879749898242>

You clearly dont know what the ubermensch even is.

I do know, I've read most of Nietzsche. He does raise a few interesting points, but I don't see how you can take him seriously when he only throws proclamations without argumenting them at all. It's very lyrical, I'll give you that. Somewhat like the Bible stylistically.

The biggest thing of interest is probably the philological work which you can still see a bit in *Twilight of the Idols*.

The books would be too long if he just argued through most of it. I highly doubt these were random claims though. He thought of them and thought of them deeply.

For example, if you read *The Wagner Case*, while I do agree with most of his points, he never delves into musicological analysis (even though he clearly has the ability to). And even the philosophical and psychological analyses are very brief.

I havent read his books yet but I have all his works except one I think. And Ill read that one online.

I'n sure he has, but the reader is left without any of Nietzche's thinking process. It really is like a religious text.

No wonder is seems familiar.

That's contrary to the way most philosophers write. A thesis needs clarity to be evaluated objectively.

I see.

What about eastern philosophers?

I suppose he would be closer to them, since he openly defecates on the Socratic dialectic which is at the base of Western philosophy.

I do love his writing style which is very inflammatory. Calling George Sand a "milking cow".

Dante a "grave-obsessed hyena".

No I mean do eastern philosophers write less materialistically?

Im sure they do compared to western philosophers but how much do they differ?

Well, the clearer way of writing is not really "materialistic" since it focuses on the purely intellectual process. Nietzsche claimed to be the first Western materialist (of course, this is factually false).

I'm not that familiar with Eastern philosophers since European philosophical education basically forgets their existence. Most of the books I've read by them are more practical, concerning matters of law and strategy.

I see. Makes sense

Nietzsche claimed to be the first western materialist?

I think this is from *Ramblings of an Inactual*, let me find my copy and translate the passage

well it's jot here but I think it went like this

"I am the first to have taken into account the physical body. The greatest crime of philosophy is to have discarded it by inventing faraway and metaphysical realities which have yet to be proven" (this is probably very imprecise paraphrase)

Would you think he was egotistical?

Probably an egoist, he despised all kinds of social policies

As well as the rise of authoritarian patriotism in Germany, which he viewed as a sign of degeneracy

I'd say he was a primitivist in a sense

Which would explain his dislike of how Judeo-Christian faith weakened man

Christianity was for him proto-socialism, the heavily Judaistic revenge of the oppressed against the Aryan hierarchical cult of Hinduism

I see.

Would he be an existentialist?

In some ways, Nietzsche might have been the first to state the intuition of Sartre's existentialism, Bergson's processism (see N's appreciation of Heraclites as the only Greek who accepted movement and duration) and even Husserl's phenomenology

Without creating a real system around them

Maybe he viewed the rigor of clear explanation and the creation of a philosophical system as freezing and killing ideas, which is what he accused classical philosophy of doing

What Nietzsche have you read?

Nothing yet, most of what I know, I've heard from Jordan Peterson.

I only just got nearly all the works yesterday

Yikes

Hm?

If you wanna have a good laugh, read *Twilight of the Idols* and *The Wagner Case*. Nobody escapes his insulting pen there

And I'd say Bergson is a great read too, the philosopher of duration

I guess the big difference is that N sees process as decadence while B sees it as positive creation

I'm not looking for a laugh. But what should I start with. What order exactly?

start with *Twilight of the Idols* and *Beyond Good and Evil*, they're the most accessible

Okay

or check your editions, the forewords probably have good counsel on that

Understood.

then *The Antichrist*, *Genealogy of Morality* and *Ecce Homo*

then you can read *Zarathustra*, the hardest

Oh yeah Zarathrustra. Im going to like that book.

then you have the smaller works, which can be read aside (read *The Wagner Case* and the 2nd *Untimely Meditation* with *Twilight of the Idols* on the matter of artistic decadence)

I wouldn't really trust Peterson on explaining philosophers though, he either twists their words to fit his agenda (like with Nietzsche) or says complete nonsense (like with Foucault and Derrida)

He doesnt have an agenda

You're right

Perhaps its just his interpretation, or you havent understood his point.

His only agenda is the way to the bank

No, his only agenda is to help people.

He's not doing this for the money, that much is clear

Yikes...

Hm?

I used to think so too

Until?

Is thay why he's now insisting on donations?

He doesnt insist on donations.

Check his Twitter account

He's a con man

Laughing all the way to the cheques his followers give him

He's not asking for donations, he's advertising his book.

Not surprised since its to help people

aswell as trying to sell tickets to lectures to help people.

He also twists words very skillfully and always returns onto semantic problems to evade issues. But I guess him being well-spoken can explain his popularity, just like all those other pseudo-intellectuals which attract TV spotlight nowadays

Words such as?

I dont watch tv. It's boring.

Such as using hourly wages to talk of overall wages. He counts on the relative ignorance of the public. It's understandable since those are the same tactics his opponents (like that idiot of a journalist on Channel 4) use.

The same kind of thing Hitchens used to do

When did he use hourly wages to talk of overall wages?
Besides, seems pretty relative to me too.

However, what I do like about JBP is his psychoanalytical take on Biblical myths

That's interesting

He was providing serious work when he wrote *Maps of the Mind* as a student, now he's just binge publishing "how to be better at life" books for easy cash

Just like you see low-end philosophers like Michel Onfray do

Or he's still providing serious work

like what

Just seems like speculation to me

*12 rules for life*?

🤔

Yes it got pretty good reviews

that's the best example of those cheap life counselling books

"how to be a good father", etc.

Seems pretty important

You can find dozens of those at the local train station

Do they explain how to as good as JP though?

I'm not complaining on a personal level

I just feel like he's wasting his time

With all those hours on youtube?

Seems like a whole life time to me.

Aswell as the lectures not recorded

it's clear that I can't convince you and you can't convince me, and I have to take a shower before leaving soon.
let's out this off for some other time

have a nice day

You too.

What were you debating?

Jordan Peterson's agenda.

Okay

Ethiopian megamind agrees

theory marxism is gay

cultural nationalism ftw

wOa epic

@Deleted User didn't expect to see you here

yeah i came to see the pol raid thats still happening after 15 years @DOLBATIC

@Deleted User cringe

Sick a dick fag

You silly nigga loving cracker

communism is gay theory

the theory

communism is gay

socialism is gay in general

same for any communism

Nigga you gay

no u

@Ozzymandias The culture is everything

nazbols are good allies

They’re funny, yes

how do you debate a liberal 🤔

Call him gommie😆

not if it is old teacher that is spiting on socialism and in our workbook there is a task in which we compare "communism" in ussr and fashism in italy and "nazism" in germany by writing yes or no to things like,cult of personality,starvation,propaganda,rasism,anti communism etc.

on last page it seys right answer for that "communism" is propaganda,dictatorship,cult of personality and starvation.......

if ussr was communist then germany was anarhist<:care:312065869767245835>

How do you smash SJWs claiming to be communists?

They are commies

@Dushman ask them about their theory

"hey I'm a communist!"
"which ideology?"
"uhhhhh...communism?"

Lel

No they'd likely say marxism

or socialism

Nah majority in the server I hang out with

Is anarchist/libertarian socialist

Or luxembourgist

Most sjws I know are commies are socialists or marxists

Antifa is usually full of them aswell as anarchists

Some Marxists denpunce them

Gee I wonder why, probably because a lot of marxists act like morons

Some accuse them as being liberals

a lot of liberals are commies

Others accusation of being bourgeois oriented movement installing PC culture that divides the movement because the white workers are alienated from the concept

Usually by the case they claim whites are priviliged

Both theories are dumb

and have been proven wrong

Wait what ideology you subscribe to?

None

Ah right I shouldn't have asked

Why not?

Nah because I thought your pfp wasn't correlated to your ideology

Nietszche simply looks outstanding regardless.

Mhm

I dont belong to an ideology though

I know

I guess you can say Im nietzschean though. But I havent even read his books yet. Just some lectures and I read a little bit. I wouldnt consider myself to a single ideology, but take different principals from different ideologies and philosophies.

But yeah I dont belong to an ideology.

"consider myself to a single ideology, "

wat

part of*

yo Mr. E i think you have no say no one is in an ideology since concepts just don't work, no?

@nagarjuna Mr. E is just going through his JBP phase

thats peterson right

@nagarjuna what?

And no Im not going through an imaginary "phase"

And what does this have to do with me liking peterson anyway?

Concepts can work though.

That's why I take different principals from different ideologies and philosophies

I was asking the other guy is JBP means Jordan peterson

I guess it is, that's all

I do agree that Marxism is also identity politics, but all politics is

In the sense of relying on the logic of identity/difference

"we are so-and-so, we have attribute X. We are against other group Y because they have attribute Z"

I never said it wasnt.

Although ideologies dont accurately represent the individuals entire philosophy

It only represents the groups common interests and principals.

Which is why I dont belong to a philosophy. My beliefs just arent that simplistic

Or basic

And I know, I was asking @DOLBATIC about JP not you @nagarjuna

Well you asked me "what?" I was clarifying what I thought you wanted clarified. And I was just laying out my understanding above

I asked what to what you said about ideology and concepts not peterson.

So do you see yourself as in a social group with common interests and principles?

I was asking Tavernist why he thought JP as relevant.

No

I guess nietzscheans and existentialists are the closest but thats only to some of my principles

So I wouldnt really say Im one of the two groups

Word I meant that the concepts people use to define themselves don't really mean what they think they mean. Ideologies are always simplifications of the world, it comes down to the idea that language doesn't really convey truth or meaning in the way many think it does

True.

@Mr. X Suckle my cuckle

No u

based third worldist meme

n0

Why do people call trotsy a revisionist?