With their own spices of course.

Man you should better study Russian history as example there were democrats like Radishev, Herzen, Belinsky, Dobrolubov, Chernyshevskiy, decembrists, narodniks which struggled against czarism and were democrats even more radical then Western democrats. Russians not slaves as Cold War propoganda showed us. Yes we had hundreds of years of slavery, tyranny but there were democratic elements which resisted to this.

Yes but did the majority believe in democracy? Did the majority care? Was it in their culture? No.

Thankfully to Revolution now Russia not in major peasant country like was in XIX when was spread general fear on Russians in Europe. Victory of reaction in Europe, supressing of revolutions in XIX century wasn't even for Russian interests, I mean majority of Russians not noblemen and burocrats.

XIX century?

What's the XIX century?

I dont care for revolutions, let them be as long as it helps the country. Communism doesnt help a country

@Mr. X general fear about Russia, barbarians in grey uniforms with reactionary tsar Nicolas the I

Major of country in serfdom

the west do not fear russians, nor do I

what westerners mostly feared was communism and nukes

now we're only afraid of nukes that wont even get used

Communist revolution helped Russia made great jump from backward peasant country to industrial society

it was in vain though

with a tsar you could've done far better

No man

and I dont even like monarchies

the brits dont agree

and I especially dont like russian monarchies

Tsarism was totally bankrupt system at the beginning of XX century in Russia

Thanks to ww1

WW1 saved them

nonsense

on 3 years

ww1 fucked them over

that was the point of ww1

In 1914 was rising of strike movement

even in Petersburg were barricades

Which wasn't in 1905

yes yes I know about that

but in ww1 thats what made it worse

Only war helped to reduce revolutionary situation

Yes

No it bankrupted them much more

Yes but they escaped possible revolution in 1914

I do not reject what you talking about

How did they escape possible revolution in 1914?

>In 1914 was rising of strike movement
even in Petersburg were barricades
Which wasn't in 1905

Either way it was in vain

so? what proof is there that the war prevented it?

There was a revolution during the war

Not prevented but postpone

How so?

In 1914 was possibility for revolutionary situation but war directed energy of people in patriotic hysteria which reduced in 1915-1916

People instead struggle with czarist government dyed in fields of battle with same working people

I'll research that, but thanks

Either way it was still in vain

capitalism has industrialized people far better before

And all socialists and liberals supported czarist government only bolsheviks took internationalist position

I dont like the tsar

Nor do I like the commies

nor do I like the current administration and corruption

this is why I dislike russians so much

well one of the reasons

as well as multiple failures

Russia had been modernizing since 1861 (peasant reform) but this created great contradictions so revolution was inevitable

Like I said, I never liked the tsar.

Remnants of feudalism were added by contradictions of bourgeois development

Oh yeah same for all the other times communism has been tried

So there was no possibility for "centrist" development

course there were

you can be centrist and have revolution

That's why provisional governent and all suppoted socrevs and mensheviks failed

What do you think happened in france and america?

they overthrew kings but didnt turn to shit like communism over time

France was very radical

in a good sense

they had napoleon

who made a great empire

@Mr. X because there was no objective causes for communist revolution

sure the russians killed him which is another thing I dont like but whatever

it were bourgeois revolutions

there were none in those days either

other than he was authoritarian and killed people

the communists just copied and pasted him with marxism

but even in French revolution existed babouvists who were first communists

you could just be capitalist without being authoritarian

and be far more successful

there's no denying that the west did far better

Russia I believe has potential though, if it wasnt so corrupt and stook to a better and updated constitution in politics

which wont happen any time soon

or perhaps at all

ukraine on the other hand is redeemable imo

if they became eu and/or nato members

then I'll except them as europeans and westerners

and then they'll be the only big amount of orthodox slavs I accept.

It would be corrupt as this is part of periphery capitalism, so to struggle against corruption we need fight against causes which is capitalist system

no its not part of that.

Many countries arent corrupt and are capitalist

And all tendencies in Russia are about new revolutionary situation

@Mr. X man even US very corrupt

I highly doubt it would be productive

the US isnt that corrupt believe it or not

not compared to russia or brazil

but there more legalised corrutpion

or Japan

no they dont legalize corruption

There are enough corruptions in West

america's whole thing is making sure the government doesnt have too much power

not much

but well there is more social control

How so?

While in Russia this thing not exist nowdays

In the media that's true but its with the free press that also enables people to learn the truth

so there's battle between the press

"Free press" all belongs to corporations

which is a good thing

its way better than a one sided government

For capitalists yed

social control definitely exists in russia too

No

no for any civilisation

All social control would be prevented

yes they do, they're all nationalists who are orthodox now

Those guys even worse than our government

you mean the russian people?

No

and the russian government?

Black hundreds

nationalists

Thats what russians are though

nazis

you mean putin's pets?

Partily they pets

But most not under control

Not my point, I say nationalists loosely

Im talking about russian patriots

And not fear about communism from nowdays Russia

They are anticommunists

communism isnt coming back, its dead

and no thats not their fault

Pffff

their fault is being too nationalist like and corrupt

This is the same like after 1814 claim

this is why I still dislike them

well democracy failed

aswell as corruption among many other things

No it didnt

Yes

After 1815 especially was restoration of feudal regimes in Europe

and existed reactionary Holy Union

Which prevented revolution

and then they didnt even get a chance

Tsarist Russia was one of key players there

another F

dont support a bad tsar then

that's one thing the russians did good

Man

then they fucked it up with communism

and stalin

You talk like Russian peasant

Said the slav

bad tsar but we need good

one

No

we need no tsar at all

fuck tsar and monarchy

Why?

The commies were basically tsars

but worse

No, as there was no feudal system like was in tsarist Russia. It wasn't agriculture country, there were no votchinas and pomestiyas which were given to nobles with peasants.

what are votchinas and pomestiyas or whatever?

All estate differences were officialy cancelled after decree in November 1917

Forms of feudal ownership

in Russia

the communists owned everything though

especially the leader

Not communists

and not leader but state

the state owned everything like the tsar

especially the leader

the state which was communist

Leader had nothing previlges in ownership there was no personal property like in Tsarist Russia was tsar actually had private propety but there was no such for leader of communist party, government or Supreme council.

the leader did of course

thats bullshit

Please find me what belonged personal to Stalin for example which he can give to his heirs

everything the russian people were forced to give to the communist party

No Soviet leader can solve legal fate even state dachas when he dyed all returned back to state

He couldn't accumulate capital like Czar could

tell that to the kim dynasty

and still the state got it

not the people

@Mr. X this is not same as Soviet Union, first, second if Kim uses dachas and so on that doesn't mean that he become private owner it's the same he have no private property rights on state property.

yes he can

he owns everything lol

in north korea that is

same for the soviet state

Dude Im hungry so Ill ttyl

Peace

@Mr. X man in Soviet Union all socialist property no body personally received results of production but many things returned to citizens in schools, housing, healthcare system, sport development and so on.

What do you think of Putin @Musketar (Alex)

@Mr. X state is not the same as leader, this isn't ancient despothy. He wasn't all-power tsar which could do whatever he wanted, he received authority from Revolution and was function providing its interests and realize interest of working people.

@Jacko bourgeois leader with authoritarian regime

And lukashenko?

the same

So basically a tsar

Not tsar

Even Putin not Tsar its just conesus figure

ucrânia 🇺🇦 orgulho

Welcome to martial law

Have fun fighting for the porkys

time for escalation in donbass

Holodomor 2: Novorossian Boogaloo

it's official
poroshenko announced to the UNSC and on his website that martial law has been declared

there's partial mobilization of the ukrainian air force and army

https://www.rferl.org/amp/explainer-kerch-strait-skirmish-ukraine-russia-simmering-european-conflict/29621909.html

and there are rumors of intention escalation by ukraine

The United Nations Space Command?

security council

Bitch don't be lyin. The Covenants about to make landfall on Earth. We need a new generation of Spartans.

fugg

I don't think ukraine has any spartans

https://youtu.be/-BG9lhTg6xY

https://youtu.be/ygkrkyt0uFk

I like how Ukraine is NSFW

Lol good

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SA-vYia7BbA

https://youtu.be/_El26D703jc

Радио свобода плохого не посоветует

Смотри и enjoy

@Suiniram вот оно же

Заходи в войс

Няша

Не

Просто послушать

Красивый голос такой

приятный

не удивительно, что Вам выдали гранты))

Беда!сделаю тебе как-нибудь запись.

Диалектика тебе в помощь. А не гранты.

@ Firefly

i rebel

Я шукаю слов'янської подруги, якщо хтось хоче допомогти мені? я не розмовляю українською

fake russian

Слава Україні !

FUCK

HOHOLS

why is the ukrainian channel nsfw?

@Kawaii Stalin Ukrainian mod requested that.

oh

I love the Russian language

yey

https://youtu.be/2oswsz4bh1k

slava ukrainiens

no

yes

Heroyam slava