gross

no u

Omg

I was just about to say that

I really like this guy

gotta be quicker than that

Hard to find actual MLs here

it looks mostly like liberals to me

And Nazis

yeah whats up with that

@Firefly ban them pls

we need the gulag channel reserved just for nazis

Hell yea

they cant talk anywhere else

@Deleted User who?

The Nazis

Lots of them here

well scrolling through the online users the first one I see right off the bat is Andrey

@Deleted User can you prove you're not a nazi to me first?

look at his pfp

@Firefly my entire camera roll is soviet propaganda

carlton™

Want me to explain the LTV or some shit?

I’m not a Nazi

@Deleted User anybody have access to propaganda. What do you know about the theory yourself?

Tbh I was an ansyn like a week ago

@Deleted User Does it mean you know nothing about the theory?

But I have state and rev and foundations of Leninism right here in front of me

take a pic then

@Deleted User what is the goal of a communist system?

K

Establish a dictatorship of the proletariat

Then

Nope

When the state is no longer needed

https://youtu.be/h_T7bD4pAlE

Ew

begone liberal

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJJ6pSLVjvg

The best I can do is to ban you first.

r i p

Why tho

Because you know nothing. You are useless.

all you gotta do is talk about theory for like 5 mins

Ok

Like

https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/wayne-price-anarchist-organisation-not-leninist-vanguardism#toc4

We gonna talk about commodity circulation or what

https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/errico-malatesta-anarchism-and-organization

Why anarchist shit

Stahp

you just split the party @Rushack

Why is firefly so hostile to me

https://youtu.be/Odrfx7WmNWQ

If you got something like State and Revolution, then you should consider those works right there

Oof

How about Kropotkin

Like

l i b e r a l b r e a d m a n

XD

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEaTBHI3n_Y

@Firefly why do you hate me daddi

Kropotkin is alright but he doesn't really cover much in the way of organization/praxis, which is the biggest thing that the more "authoritarian" leftists like to bring up to shit on Anarchists, and it's made worse by the prevalence of post-Anarchists in Anarchist movements in our time

wait rushack can we agree that tito was awesome

Which is why I linked those works

Wait

What the fuck

You like Tito?

yes

God damn it

I was starting to really like you

I mean sure for what it was, it should mean something that Tito was able to keep the Balkans from killing eachother

Not too big on Market Socialism, though

yeah

but I value what he did for yugoslavia more

he wasnt like

100% correct

Tito was a silly goose

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WqGyiHB38pE

death to the state

oh piss off

you are the reason franco came to power in spain

Haha

no, you are, your camp disarmed the anarchists

if you hadnt insisted that you must focus on ideology while fighting a war then perhaps you wouldnt be deemed a threat sitting all alone in catalonia with a bunch of guns not doing anything

theres a *w a r*

like the one rojava is fighting?

rojava has no place in syria alongside those that want to destabalize the region however you are taking away from the point

the anarchist did not want to help win the civil war

and therefore the left as a whole lsot

lost*

"hay que derrocar la reacción"
so that meant nothing?

How did they not want to help win the civil war? There were Anarchists that actively fought the Carlists and Francoists

That statement seems absurd

becauses of the anarchist communes that would not send out forces but would insist that the socialist and communist and MLs change their theory

there were anarchist fighting

but the movement as a whole pales in comparison to what the others did

because of the fact they couldnt fathom fighting with the "Stalinist monsters"

goddamn tankies YOU'RE the reason socialism is constantly discredited

whats your point

you havent justified not fighting fascists

brb teas ready ill be back in a few

we would win more hearts if not for tankies

Do you have sources for those claims

where is your source that the anarchists didn't fight the francoists?

none?
how typical of the red bureaucratic liars

okay

I dont have sources just lined up

but look up the POUM

it came to mind with Orwell

who we all know is real good pals with Stalin

uh-huh, so his support for the fai meant nothing as well

I read Homage to Catalonia and I honestly do not recall him talking about Anarchists fighting amongst themselves

Anarchist fought the republican movement

The republican movement was seizing the radio stations

yes

you do realize we cant just *make* a utopia

Marx, who I am sure you must atleast respect, told all of us there is a transition phase

*grabs popcorn*

thanks for the support

shut up whitey

this is NAZBOL turf now

G A N G

and guess what? other regimes like the ussr and the dprk got the idea to maintain the state from marx.
then they just kept it indefinitely

@Deleted User

wew

the USSR was good

^

Under stalin yea

stalin was NAZBOL

then the liberals came

so stalin killing indiscriminately was good?

elaborate

right now youre just saying stalin didnt like the color of that guys shirt and shot him

obligatory

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otCXl3VOA0s

<:nazbol:273806140054175744>

you know the story, there were enemies of the state due for execution, stalin signed off on it, and he made a personal note on the papers to kill a hundred thousand more, "i don't care who"

that means indiscriminately kill counter-revolutionaries

kulaks had it coming

Haha yes lets just allow the people who want to remove us from power to freely roam

Im sure that will never go sour

this guy gets it

My problem with Stalinism (or Vanguardism, really) is the fact that revisionists almost immediately came in after Stalin's death; too much power is placed in one group when it should be placed on the masses as a whole (Platformism)

and i guess the makhnovians were also counter-revolutionaries.
the hungarians were counter-revolutionaries.
everyone i don't like is a counter-revolutionary

makhno literally was and so were the hungarians they literally fought the red army

but on rushack

Also the Anarchist revolution in Spain were also purging themselves of counter-revolutionaries

the anarchist were the counter revolutionaries

they broke away

Look up anything about the Spanish Civil War that focuses on the Anarchists and you never hear the end of "muh churches", "muh dead nuns", "muh landowners"

they fought for the liberation of the proletariat, but with different approaches, but i guess that constitutes being counter-revolutionary.
and i guess capitulating to the state makes you a revolutionary

Didn't Lenin personally have no real problem with Makhno?

makhno is the most respectable anarchist, but I still strongly disagree with him and he does not deserve any power

trotsky killed makhnovia, in all honesty

Lenin did

Trotsky convinced him he was a threat though but told him he was useful for now

then he fucking killed him lol

in the tankies' collective mindset, capitulating to the state is REVOLUTIONARY

they were fighting a civil war

with many factions

Can we talk about Holodomor yet?

any factions that is not yours wish to userp yours

and is a threat

Without Makhno, Ukraine would have probably had a more prominent counter-revolutionary movement tbh

ukraine alone could not stand to the red army no matter which way you put it

not much would change with or without the anarchist

they lose in every situation

because EVERYONE is trying to kill them.
BIG SURPRISE

yeah

How might you explain the failure of ML movements later in the 20th century?

NATO and modern technology

you couldnt just fly over to Russia and send tons of equipment in

things were slower

honestly, that

nato is a bunch of cocksuckers

atleast we can agree on that

nato triple gay

if holodomor was about the kulaks, i don't exactly have sympathy for them. but maybe killing was going to far. simply expropriating the expropriators (maybe exiling them) and stopping there would have been nicer

give that land to the people and not the state

oh, so it wasn't just about the kulaks.
FOR SHAME

well, on the bright side, we won't ever have to worry about tankies again

i can honestly thank the capis for that one

fuck you

i'm sorry that your own state-sanctioned superaggression bit you guys in the ass and you no longer have any supporters left to speak of

sorry if that offends you

honestly, it would have been "fuck you" anyway.
so why should your authoritarian thoughts bother me?

to me it means 1/3 enemies out of the picture

so, haha fuck you too

@alines sputnik is a good news source

what

kulaks deserved it

holodomor is a farse

stalin ate all the grain

>tfw bat'ko's leftypol choir video about tankies was spot-on

@alines Won't be the /leftypol/ Choir anymore

Or smth

People are upset at the Tankie coup

me too

https://youtu.be/hrPAagXeky0

But do nothing but condemn 8chan Leftypol to becoming a Tankie Board

Not that there is much you can do against BO

what's BO?

body odor

i doubt that's in the right context

wtf is that

Stalin did nothing wrong

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LpGfGqnoQ8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Orx9zUyUBIU

i have more love for stirner than lenin

stirner's ideology killed fewer people

lenin got his ideas of the "necessity of the state" from marx.
ergo i love stirner more than i love marx

but bakunin is my guy

you have nothing on bakunin.
he was right about EVERYTHING

[Contemporary's critique on Marx intensifies]

he predicted the absolute despotism and farce of the "red bureaucracy" LONG before the advent of the soviet union

yes you would be killed in the USSR

he predicted it would be ANYTHING but autonomy for the people, and empowering only to the central state

grog the caveman said one day mankind would move really fast, later the car was invented

thats pretty broad

@alines Lenin was shitty all round.

oh fuck off to the international again

bakunin made this prediction while criticizing marx, lenin followed marx, and LO, red bureacracy turn out to be evil

"evil"

okay liberal

liberals are puppets of the bourgeoisie and the state

@alines You should not use such a black and white perception of "good and evil".

It's a pure generalization.

Lenin was a great man

literally my favorite man ever

marx and all his followers deserve to have the world population piss on all their graves for eternity

how do you just completely disregard marx and call yourself even slightly left leaning

bakunin

@Lucas 4313 >Returns the soviet union to capitalism and nearly causes it's collapse due to shitty management, and starvation becomes much more worse than it was during the climax of WW1, as well as most of his policies failing and being retracted

Wew, when you look at it objectively, stalin was 100X better than lenin.

">" who returned the soviet union to capitalism

Gorby?

@Lucas 4313 Nope, lenin did before stalin reversed his policies, he allowed for private ownership to return.

you make it out as if marx just invented socialism.
no, his ideas only received the most attention from socialists.
that means nothing as to whether or not he epitiomized the left.
HE DID NOT

Had stalin not reworked the USSR from it's core, then it is quite likely that it would have collapsed, similarly to how it did in the 90's, but with much more bloodshed.

Marx is the father of the collectivist ideology, also known as 70% of the left. If you do not consider marx to know anything then you are a useless anarchist in my eyes

also Stalin was good I agree on that

Lenin's ideas were better though

ideally

@Lucas 4313 They were complete and utter failures.

lenin said that ideally the state would eventually dissolve

They may have looked pretty on paper, but in the real world, they failed.