maybe 90% atheist

nah the other 10% doesn't care about it

xd

in what sense

how can i acknowledge his existence if i don't believe in him

uhmmm no

that's logic and philosophy isn't it

i'm trying to read it from wikipedia in my language and really i don't understand shit maybe it's too inteligent for me

but if you are curious how I see God, maybe he exists but just as the creator of the universe, and the open that keeps it going but doesn't interfere

because literally from what I've seen he doesn't really care about humans

deism then?

kinda like jefferson

or napoleon

I'm not really a theistic person, I used to be atheist but as I said today I seriously don't care if he exists or not, I'm trying to view both sides

is God obliged to let us be that free even if that free is harmful to us?

what I like about religion is it often gives genuinely thoughtful justifications like above, I can actually agree with what's said even if I don't engage in it myself directly

but what is actually bad? hasn't God created the evil / bad ?

but why give them the option to be bad and then punish them, it's like saying "hey you can break those toys if you want but if you will i will beat your ass"

but who created the evil? who let's say decided to make the pork meat that way or murder an evil thing because God could've made it the way he wanted

isn't God the greatest thing?

i was taking it as an example

We're debating god on leftypol now?

so let me understand, humans create evil things, God could've made a world without evil but that would've ment to take away free will from humans

what evil thing did humans create?

ah i see your point now

i understand now

still i don't believe the today's religions have the clear way to god

not really, as i haven't witnessed him, I want to be a good person that's all

I got nothing better to do... I'll throw my two cents in, the concept of a god seems incoherent and contradictary to me.

Xd

i'm actually a weed smoker xd

420 blazeit

it's just a plant bro

plants never killed anyone

yeah i smoke weed but only when i have money to buy it

bro it's all from the mother earth gaia, it's jsut another frame of mind

embrace the ether bro

it's actually less harmful than alcohol and the other substances

how can poison be real if our eyes aren't real

i had hallucinations from it Xddddddddd

I live right on the border between one state that has it legal and one that has it illegal, so I have to be certain which state I'm in when smoking.

I think it's safe to treat weed the same way we treat alcohol

let me explain to you, most of those effects are only when you smoked it, i can guarantee you i'm pretty normal

which mean legalized but regulated

Are some religions better than others?

i mean most of those effects are only when you are high for example sexual problems for male yeah when you are high your dick won't get up

or Are some religions way shittier than others?

please don't go back to religion topic we changed that xd

just simply answer

Aren't the vast majority of probelms with weed associated with underage smoking ad not fully grown adults

weed doesn't cause addiction

does peacful = better

?

yes @Deleted User

*peaceful

if you are underaged and smoke it you will have some problems with thinking

Yeah, I don't think anyone is advocating legalizing weed for underage kids...

but fully grown adults have no problem

well let's take for example netherlands, a country where it is decriminalized and people can smoke there

did the country turn into shit with junkies?

when you compare islam and christianity, can you say which one is better?

and it hasn't been decriminalized there for 1 or 2 years it's been quite some time

god damn shut up with religion

pls

k

lol

Gonna have a stroke

Fuckin nazi just said he's a socialist democrat

And to debate him

What in the world

excuse me little boy?

Social-democracy is a proto-fascism. Just one step needed.

You're not a fuckin leftist for being a nazi.

Stop it.

did you read that whole conversation

for a /pol/ raid...

Thoroughly disappointed >.>

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Yes well aware nazis are for whatever reason overly represented in chat

Probably. Because people got linked by a NazBol

Damn embarrasments.

on the leftypol?

i aint a nazi wtf

me neither

keel does nazi fekerz

"Nationalist social democrat"

?

Despite being a nationalist, in regards to society, doesnt make you a democrat

false

Unless of course you're using words wrong

Its not false.

a nationalist can be a democrat

they dont contradict unless you are brain dead

Or, unless its nationalism

not an argument cuck boy

Neither is braindead or cuck

Try again?

But also

you started

If you're using democrat in the US conception

You're still wrong,

now the term nationalist if open to interpretation

And,

*is

No, actually a Nationalist can be a democrat

I'm am not a hard flag waving fascist type

No, hush, they cant. He's probably mistaking patriotism for nationalism

I generally despise nazism and hard nationalism despite the appeal I can see in the ideology

The democratic party is for a reason, particularly for america,

Nationalism is just the "fancy" word to express the love that human being can feel towards somehting abstract like The Nationality

Not nationalist. All the war hawks and such swapped parties long ago

I'm not american either so please don't get that wrong

And no its not, its an excess,

But also, I said in the context of america, and

If outside the context of america

Unless you're using the terms wonky, or at a nazi,

I'm using nationalist in the most literal, logical way you could use it, you are the one that has been too influenced by "anti-nationalist" (the word) propoganda. My arguments would stay the same if you substituted the word nationalism for patriotism.

They arent compatible. Nazis only use democracy to bring about autarky

Annnd

No, it literally is an excess

That you not only love yout country, but that you view your country as supreme

you are interpreting the term nationalist with a post ww2 anti-fascist witch hunt mindset

No, im interpreting it as it is.

That you can love your country, and not be a nationalist.

Because thats not what the word means.

I don't view my country as supreme, but to me I believe that the interests of the home nation are to be given preference generally over others as a general rule

I understand what you are saying

"I dont prefer my country, but I prefer my countries and others prefer theirs"

If you arent this, find another excessive descriptor

that's a pretty american definition

Its the definition

it's one definition

Words are transnational.

And yes, it is "one" definition

but I understand the two of you

But I can find you how many just like it?

Point is being patriotic alone isnt what makes you a nationalist.

There is a reason synonyms include jingoism

And chauvinism

I find that patriotism is more state-connected

Its just a love for country

and thus I prefer nationalism

as the word of choice

Its JUST a love of country, nationalism is believing in the supremacy of that country, relative to others

Idc how we pollute terms

look at the terms' origins

"patria" clearly is a certain country/ state

but nation is not state

Nation is nation, i.e. a people, a culture, all of the above

How are those embodied in a country? Through the state...

Let me clear this up. My views are as follows, I am a social democrat as a general rule, however, unlike many leftists, I believe that national identity is intristically important, and that national interests have value in serving the general populus, when the don't conflict with the democratic interests of the people. Terms like nationalist and patriot are inherently obscurant, my views can only be described as what I've stated in this paragraph. If you disagree with me views, fine, but I won't debate something as meaningless as the terms stated as these were just a convenient way of stating the above. If you were unsure before you shouldn't be now. If you still think I'm a nazi I'd LOVE to hear it.

*my views

Thats not being a leftist

I think it has to do how the word nationalism is handled in my native language

Social democrats

Are liberals

leftist is a relative term

if you think social democracy isn't remotely left wing then you are marginally insane

Social democrats are actual peronists.

honestly seek help if you think that. You think an actual nazi would think that bernie sanders is a fucking rightist? Fuck off you idiot

Leftist is relative within systems only, and

The systems as a whoke

actually, I think left and right are stupid terms

Are known as liberal

He obviously said he wasnt american

call them what they are, but not that

how are anarchists and tankies in the same category

bloody stupid

Lsft and right refers to their positions in general on an axis

that doesn't exist

Not within a given political system relative to one another

And it does

Hence every test you've ever taken

Its just a means of organizing things

except if you use left and right only in the sense of economic freedom

Which you know they dont

if you think I'm not left wing, cool, but to many other people I would be seen as a left winger. You only see me as being right (I assume) because I do not believe as heavily in the 'left wing cause' as you do. Fine, but at least have the common sense to understand that your view of my views are subjective and are not worth arguing for that reason.

So its out of the question

You're left wing relative to your given political circumstance

So unless you live in North Korea

You're a liberal.

what's my political circumstance?

As liberal democracies are the primary method of organization on earth

And you have internet

So unless I'm living in dictatorial squalor I'm a liberal, cool

And speak english

And no

I mean unless you live in a system that isnt in liberal or democratic

Which most are

then I'm right wing?

You're a liberal

I.e. basically center, given this convo

But uh

Legit just look at a graph

Where "republicans" and "democrats" fall

Relative to literally anything else

You do realize there are genuine traditionalist reactionary forces that would seek to destroy every part of the "liberal" society I/we live in.

Yes?

and replace it with someting much worse than liberalism

And they are obviously right of liberals

They arent liberals lol

so I'm still a nazi?

to you

?

No, we already decided we were using terms wrong, or atleast in a manner that isnt consistent.

Its just you're not a leftist, outside of any liberal democracy.

okay good, I don't mind if I'm liberal not leftist, my views are unchanged

Yes, but you see the confusion, you said im a nationalist socialist "democrat"

Or a "nationalist social democrat"

Either way neither make sense right off the bat unless a context is clarified

yeah it's hard to clarify context in three words

Which is why you probably dont want 3 words

People who have lists of shit to qualify what they think they are, are redundant or dont know what they're talking about

if I need to quickly explain my views I'll tend to do something like that

Yea, just, you're a Social Democrat lol

You're a bernie bro

Lol

Which is still liberal, and capitalist, so you're free to take more of a national stance without calling yourself a nationalist.

Sure, I was making the distinction between what I believed on nationhood vs the anti-nationhood beliefs common in much leftist discourse. This is an important point to note as I was clearly dealing with /pol/ with whom this is an important topic

as there is democratic socialism, you can very well be a socialist democrat, and a nationalist on top of that

Yea well if you're a aocial democrat your belief in a state isnt in question lol

So not necessary

oy i woke up did the commies came?

not social democrat

theres a commie here

socialIST democrat

Ive been here

And

Was responding to other dude

Just slow

With one hand

I think socialists tend to believe in hard revolution, that any capitalist state regardless of left wing political sympathy is just in the way of actual socialism

@dopeblizz why should there be less food in socialism

famine boiii

why does socialism cause famines?

Nope not all socialists believe in hard revolution, sadly enough.

But also

I already linked in the chat

The reality of environments and the third world/global south under capitalism

News flash,

There are famines...

Let me do it again

scarcing goods is shit and @rn idk go ask stalin why he left those ukrainians without food

Xd

I can't give you an answer on that sadly

now i'm goin' to bed cya around