one who isn't afraid to squash jewish kulaks

I don't get why you lefty antifas (genuine ideologues, not SJWs) don't join the fascist movement

We're more alike than a normie

You may join us under our authority.

because you want corporatism and I want a dictatorship of the proletariat

First stop acting like fascism isn't what you want

There is no such thing as dictatorship of the proletariat. We know that doesn't work. What does work is fascism however

Fascism is the most realist and effective form of ideology

Is of also most short-lived ideology.

Only because England countersignaled and Russia wouldn't freaking surrender

It's the most short lived because every other large nation hates it because it goes against free market and the Jewish influence.

Something that does not survive shall not live in first place, right?

nah

It's called competition.

HAIL VICTORY 👌🏽👌🏽👌🏽👌🏽👌🏽

The only way fascism can last in a nation is if the opposition is taken out

6@FuckNutJuice dude

shut thge fuck up retard

GAGAGAGYAYAYAUAUAUAUAAHAHAHAHAA

But it seems like that can't happen because it can never grow a foothold

We had a foothold. Shit just went awry. It was only 70 years ago, the cooldown period is ending

HAIL VICTORY 👌🏽👌🏽👌🏽👌🏽👌🏽👌🏽

You want to restore your ideology for another 4 years?

Trump is sort of a pressure release valve.. he may only serve to extend the zog

Probably best if he gets impeached and the "leftists"get complete control

Why goims even come to this chat?

#Hitlerdidnothingwrong

fucking kikes stole yet another thing from us

anyone who is a communist is just a useful idiot

there is no inherent problem with jews

the talmud says otherwise

while not all jews believe in it, their religion holds enough of an influence for israel to be ruled in a theocratic sense

Rabbi's have more say than the politicans do

I've seen that chart before. It is debunked by both historians and records directly from the Soviet government as well as having an obscure journalist as the first citation and an irrelevant unused one as the second. @Deleted User

95% goes beyond any reason. Connecting thumbtacks with yarn-level paranoia.

>the soviet government is not corrupt
-sincerely, the soviet government

yeah right

and im not a nazi,

That fails to address the other two points?

That it has shitty unverified sources and that it has also been debunked by historians as a canard.

what 'two other points' are you referring to

I've seen that chart before. It is debunked by both historians and records directly from the Soviet government as well as having an obscure journalist as the first citation and an irrelevant unused one as the second.

>the soviet government is not corrupt
-sincerely, the soviet government

1) The Soviet government disagrees.
2) Credible historians disagree.
3) The citations are shit.

That's 1 for 3. Congratulations.

Im sorry, but someone saying that something is not true does not make it fact

Then why is the contrary somehow true?

I have provided evidence, to which you claim 'hurr it false lol ecks dee'

if you have evidence to counter these sources, then provide otherwise you are spouting nothing but hot air

Yes, I am the one spouting hot air.

which is rather typical of communists anyways

I'm not a communist?

Excellent ad hominem by the way.

No, I did not use my stab toward communists as evidence to prove my argument correct, therefore it is not an adhom

learn your fallacies, retard

Got it.

More non-ad hominem from the genius.

>more blithering bullshit from the communist

You are just digging a deeper hole for yourself and shitposting.

This server really needs a shitposting channel.

its funny, you like the rest of your retarded lefty niggers double down even after you are found incorrect

Still not a communist or even a lefty.

then why are you on a lefty discord?

You are also on a lefty Discord.

Guess you're a retarded lefty nigger.

is it wrong to presume that you are a lefty on a lefty discord, or at least consider you have leftist tendencies?

lol when the retarded lefty nigger doubles down after being incorrect Xd

'no u! EL EM AYE OH ECKS DEE DEE DEE'

I am not putting words in your mouth. 😃

you're just repeating things I'd said

Because you said it in a way that made it applicable to both of us.

So I was not incorrect in saying it.

holding a presumption is not the same as being wrong about a definition

Ad hominems are not different no matter where they are used

people however can be different based on location

Got it.

there is only one adhom falacy, there however is innumerable people

every one being different

fallacy fallacy

fallacy fallacy fallacy

implying the fallacy is wrong because it is a fallacy

because that fallacy is a fallacy

😌 when ur bad at shitposting

>when you're a faggot hiding out on a leftycuck discord

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So you're NOT a lefty?

You're defending lefty concepts on a lefty server, where as I am not

I have Goebbels as my pfp and have repeatedly denied being a communist. If you are still desperately holding on to the "presumption" that I'm a "lefty retard nigger" then you are doing so purely because that is what you wish to believe.

Simply because I disagree with you.

you are defending leftist ideals, with apparent knowledge on such concepts

😌 when ur still bad at shitposting

the average person does not understand or care about communism and how the USSR was filled with kikes

when you dismiss actual discussion as shitposting

What leftist ideals have I defended? Respect for honest fact-collecting and reliable sources? That's not a leftist ideal.

That's just good research.

you dont make yourself look 'intelligent'

What would inspire you to 'research' about leftist positions, on your free time?

sheer coincidence?

being a not-not communist?

The first citation from that graph is from an obscure journalist with no scholarly credentials. The secondary source is reliable, and from a Yale professor, but unfortunately from a book detailing the similarities between Stalin and Hitler's regimes. The 95% statistic comes from the obscure journalist.

playing pretend?

Honestly the Yale citation is just there to make it look legitimate.

The chart is a sham.

That sir is an adhom, you are attacking the journalist based not off his argument, but rather his credentials, which do not define his argument or his intellectual abilities

@carlton™ you are too educated for right-winger, see? Your comrades can't even believe you are one of them ^__^

something being obscured or not does not define it as correct or incorrect, either

Having no credentials and being used a primary citation is grounds for questioning the legitimacy of a statistic that is by a factor of 19 larger than records directly from the Soviet government, no ad hom.

The truth doesn't suddenly vanish when someone says you are not allowed to

anyone can research anything, and as a result regardless of credentials, you are playing a fool by dismissing it just because of the lack of credentials

And @Firefly right-wingers can be educated. There are plenty of educated people from all parts of the political spectrum.

I have met loads of Nazis who defend their positions in very educated manners.

@carlton™ If that would be true Ukraine wouldn't be a shithole.

Is already how many years right-wing owns Ukraine?

Ukraine was a shithole when it was owned by communists.

It was one of the most developing region of USSR with vast investitions and industry.

One of the most developed regions maybe, but still a shithole.

Soviet communism is perhaps the largest failure of any economic system in recent history.

Ask any former Soviet citizen.

People there could pay rent

Now they can't

I'm a Soviet Citizen from Ukraine.

Countries naturally develop over time

the expansion of Soviet infrastructure was to be expected from any country

it's not some great big win for Socialism

I have never met anyone who lived in the USSR or any Eastern Bloc country particularly who advocated for Soviet communism.

It was exploitative at all levels except for the highest echelons of what can only be described as an aristocracy.

I know someone whos family was shipped halfway across the country to an industrial city in the Urals

Nothing got done without bribes, even the most basic goods were shoddy or in short supply, and political repression and censorship were widespread at every point in Soviet history except towards the end.

@carlton™ Is of no matter. Important is that right-wing in power for many years and people can't pay even water and electricity.

So that makes communism okay somehow?

It makes right-wing under educated in economy.

If you put America through 80 years of communism and then suddenly made it switch to capitalism it'd be a shithole too.

Ukraine hasn't fully recovered yet from the collapse of the union

Thank 80 years of communism.

they've had to deal with poor economic management

But in Communism it was granted to them, houses and flats for free with free rent and electricity.

and besides, Ukraine had Russia to lean on for 70 years, it's a big change

but america is not a shithole before the 80 (70) years of communism

You say free rent and electricity implying there was always working electricity.

It's free for a reason. Handouts don't exist in the real world.

Nobody works for the benefit of others. That's where the Soviet system collapses.

You would be hard pressed to find a well off Soviet politician who didn't get there by stepping on others.

when something is free it doesn't mean it works as you would expect

I see. So if people live worse under nationalism is of to blame communism, I understood it correct?

the challenge with providing free stuff to hundreds of millions of people should be quite obvious

"free"

Nationalism and communism are not opposites, or even in the same league.

second worst word in the english dictionary

the weird confusion between gratis and libre

@carlton™ who to blame then?

80 years of communism.

well yes the faults have somewhat to do with the USSR

@carlton™ why neighboring countries are doing better without nationalism?

You can't just tell a country to switch to capitalism and expect everything to work out, especially when Ukraine was a part of the USSR and economically dependent on other Soviet republics.

as I said before Ukraine relied on Russia for most things, all of the states did

They also had communism, but not as much a shithole like Ukraine,

Why do you use nationalism as an opposite to communism?

The "free socialist states" were puppets

Ukraine was closely tied to the Russian economy because it was the breadbasket of the USSR.

It was naturally more dependent. When you take it away and make it its own country, it doesn't work out.

You said there was no economy there

I won't repeat myself again, Ukraine relied on the support from Russia

Because of communism

I never said there was no economy. I said there was a shitty economy.

A shitty economy closely tied to Russia.

Yet other countries been communist and doing better than nationalist Ukraine

I JUST explained this.

Ukraine was closely tied to the Russian economy because it was the breadbasket of the USSR.
It was naturally more dependent. When you take it away and make it its own country, it doesn't work out.

Nationalism doesn't work out if countries are interdependent?

Just like with the dissolution of the Austro-Hungarian Empire. All of the states that resulted from that experienced some form of turmoil, nationalism, economic crisis, or any combination of those three.

CAN U GOD DAMN NIGGERS SHUT THE FUCK UP

Do you even know what nationalism is? You continue to use it as if it's the opposite of communism.

Nationalism: Extreme love for one's country.
Communism: An economic policy.

Ukrainian nationalism is just a symptom of the larger problem that a breakup of a large state brings, just as in Austria-Hungary.

Is not a correct type of nationalism in Ukraine?

I will not repeat myself a fourth time.

1) If nationalists turn your country in shithole blame communism. 2) If the country is economically dependent nationalism won't work. 3) Is not real nationalism.

So far

Our progress

nationalism is antithetical to communism

Austria-Hungary experienced the same thing but without communism. Nationalism didn't turn any of the countries that came out of it into a shithole, it was merely symptomatic of the breakup.

^this

Hungary experienced both economic ruin and nationalism. Where was the communism?

For heavy nationalism to form, you require a sense of victimhood, such as in the Weimar republic.

Ukraine was a shithole because of communism before, but after the breakup of the USSR it didn't become more of a shithole because of nationalism. It's the same scenario.

That's not entirely true, Flavaflavius. Nationalism existed in pre-WWI imperialist states as Jingoism without the need for victimhood.

@carlton™ What do I say to my hungry family members? 75$ a month is an awesome salary? We blame not people in power who did it? We support them?

You can't just blame everything on nationalism.

Again, whenever you breakup a larger state the intricacies of its internal economy break down and everything turns to shit.

What can you blame nationalism for?

Yeah, but I meant as extreme. Like making the leap from opressing people in your colony, to lynching the guy down the street

Nazis, for one. But not Ukraine.

fuck off commies get off my yard

Kek

@carlton™ Ukraine government did nothing wrong? Why half of the country left already?

I actually came here as part of raid from /k/, but y'all are already really divided anyway.

You are deluded if you think half the entire population of a country left because of nationalism. I think THAT is symptomatic of a larger uneducated view of the topic.

@carlton™ tell me more about my country people please.

That's 2 for 2 @Ted Kaczynski Keep up the spice memes

Where is the economic basis for nationalism that allows you to assume nationalism ruined the country?

Nationalism has no economic policy.

>Nationalism has no economic policy.

This gets funnier

firefly

how fucking tarded are you

You COULD say there's implied economic policies such as protectionaism over free trade, but that's a bit of a stretch.

>implying nationalism is protectionism kek

And nothing as comprehensive as communism/capitalism.

Nationalists typically don't pursue free trade policies.

Is that the reason economy sucks in Ukraine, because nationalists have no economical policy?

And again, it's a bit of a stretch to argue for either of those.

Nationalism does create shitholes, look at 1930

No, the reason Ukraine sucks, for the fifth fucking time, is because the breakup of a larger state into smaller ones naturally upsets the balance between its former internal economy and leaves all of the resulting countries worse off than before.

@Firefly What do you think of a war going on in your country to explain bad economy ?

Germany

You're so far the first one to defend your complete failure as of right-wing.

It wasn't tolerant

so it was a shithole

not like my noble comanche ancestors, who were extremely tolerant

@Gavroche I left Ukraine before war because of the bad economy.

Oh, yes. Commanches were famously tolerant in their genocide of neighboring tribes.

@carlton™ that's racist

Racist of the Commanches, yes.

We natives did nothing wrong

I am merely providing an objective historical view.

>Natives not being completely peaceful

>pointing out historical facts
>"RASCIST!"

>objective

Stop shitposting faggot

You're the racist

@Firefly Where are you now ?

😎 Negative.

@Gavroche San-Francisco

San Francisco. Checkmate.

Hah. You thought using war to explain a bad economy would work? Nice try.

How about the american dream ?

@carlton™ they would be proserous if they were communists like my Comanche ancestors

Shut up shitposter

@carlton™ The market doesn't like wars and volatility

@carlton™ I bet you're not even a communist

I already explained that to him.