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How'd you get here Papa
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@!papa to answer your question im more socialist, i hate liberals, they arent even leftists
i got here from a thread on /pol/ last night
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You never talk anymore
anymore?
hey if there's ever a class war, let's gang up on the Liberals and/or Democrats
In the main chat
im assuming that its english then
If there was a class war it would be a free for all
youre talking about
If there was a class war it'd be in my best interests and the interests of the state to stop it
A people should be united
cas do you know me or something kek
well i do hate rich kids, mainly cuz they're snobs and think they're better than me cuz they have a rich family
It isn't the rich children's fault they are rich
Life is a gamble
wait wait wait
holup lemme talk right quick
i dislike the rich kids because they like to think they are better than an average person like myself
because they have a rich family
UHhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Most contrary to popular belief aren't like that
Rich Families tend to be very charitable
that's from my own personal experiences
there're rich kids at the local HS
It may be infuriating to see all of their new clothes, phones and such when you don't have that
But if you want to move past that, you should work hard and be a good citizen
nah im not jealous, it's a constant annoyance
A working citizen is of more use than a citizen who doesn't
i like how im livin right now
No matter their class
i have all i need
i dont need no golden yachts and such
was a stereotypical example
Good for you, you know there are limits
And there is
What is a man without a heart and soul?
of course working citizens are of more use
A rich man if he wants to honour himself should help the poor and needy
a Scrooge
Everyone is family in the country
When a man see's another man down, he should treat him as if he was his own brother
Because we are all brothers and sisters under the flag of our country
is this a war speach
speech*
i mean i agree but sounds like something i'd hear in a movie
It's traditionalism
Every man and woman in a country are a family
why invest in stocks when there are other ways to make money
We help eachother like family
even i know you can flip things for a profit
runescape taught me that
With the right idea and public interest, anything can rocket into money
Look at those blasted fidget spinners
i cant ever tell if you're sarcastic on the internet you just gotta tell me
Is everything not meaningless without human subjective emotions of meaning?
those spinners are the stupidest things ive seen only because kids without anxiety or habits or anything are using them
i got myself a cheap ass fidget cube to stop a hand habit
Stupid, but made a lot of money
no not masturbation
It's a natural process of boyhood
Haha
lmfao
Osama Bin Carden
i dont have any other good names for car jihadists
im eating ass
I'm just a nigga with a rocket launcher
lmao
FUCK that was actually funny
mmm a chocolatey ass
Is being an asshole the only way to hide your crippling depression?
it is for me
maybe we're all depressed and dont know it
or maybe some know it
Despair code
I find it mind-blowing how China is now more capitalist than America.
Why are you the way you are
In 1939, Stalin proposed to the UK and to France to attack Nazi Germany together: http://www.polskatimes.pl/artykul/945860,w-1939-roku-stalin-proponowal-francji-i-anglii-atak-na-niemcy-londyn-odtajnil-dokumenty,id,t.html
Is this the correc address for leftypol? https://8ch.pl/leftypol/
@Firefly Thanks. What other websites do you guys use?
@Deleted User there are few leftypols. One in Brazil another in Russia. Americans made tenth of small, unorganized leftypols.
<@297127436737314827> I am being thorough.
I do not understand you criticism.
legion will prevail
its a moto of anonymous
One of them
@Firefly "I would sell my mother for 'V for Vendetta - Part 2"
It is a Zizek quote. What happens after the revolution? Revolution is the easy part.
@Deleted User Party implements its strategy and tactics.
@Firefly Do you have an opinion of Slovej Zizek?
@Deleted User I think he uses PR tactic to make himself known through political left. Selling his books. He is more of petite bourgeois professional psychologist than anything else.
Very low understanding of Marxist theory
@Firefly That is a good observation.
@Deleted User are you NatSoc, Fascist?
@Firefly Not really, not anymore. I still like Wehrmacht aesthetics though.
Fascism is viscerally satisfying but it does not withstand deep analysis.
For me the connection is spiritual.
It still shapes a lot of my thought patterns and intuitive values.
@Deleted User you are into Strasserism? Karl Jung all the way?
I would say I am a Fascist. I think Strasserism is redundant. I believe that a strong state can prevent the problems of Capitalism. I liken Fascism to building a giant moat around the castle nation. International market forces that do not serve the state are forbidden.
Theoretically of course. In reality I have no pathway to implement a Fascist state.
On Carl Jung I have little interest. I prefer the likes of Martin Heidegger for informing a Fascist worldview.
The shortcoming of Fascism is that it is not international and has no 'end game'. When Fascism destroys its last enemy, it dies along with it.
In order to reconcile this, you have to become more and more self-destructive, the ultimate ends is to die in a blaze of glory and there is no further question about it. Where someone asks 'what is the goal of Fascism', the answer is defeatist. Fascism is the the fetish of struggle and human sacrifice.
It refuses to answer the highest aims. It posits a brutal honesty: we are born to fight and to die, stop asking stupid questions.
After all, Hitler was an artist, not a technician.
Nice, by the depth of you questions yesterday I thought you are much smarter than that.
Haha
Tell us more about Heidegger
Oh dear...
Is he better than Dugin?
I've read some fascists. Was not imperessed. So far Dugin been better than the rest
I'm on mobile
I'll do later
@Zielgerรคt what do you think of Marxism? Did you read Marx?
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@Firefly I read bits and pieces from marxists.org. I am hear to learn. I particular respect Stalin and his approach. I was surprised to learn that he is not universally hated by the Left, or not only ironically supported.
@Deleted User what is a death tall in gulags?
I don't really care.
Approximate
I don't know, a few million. Did I pass?
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@Deleted User nope
Our estimates of 600k both criminal and not.
OK. You have to realise I am desensitised to moral arguments.
It is always contextual.
Knowledge is important
You're right. How many jews did Hitler gas?
American children books say 40 million
@Deleted User none. He tryed to get rid of them by asking them to leave.
I'm impressed.
I'm not
This is very new to my experience. OK, 600,000 deaths in gulag.
I think we have a massive antiauthoritarian propaganda against both left and right
What are the ways to fight it?
When do we send libertarian filth to camps?
You know how to cut right to it, don't you?
<:caring:312066184948350976> we have to do something about it.
I'm thinking...
First you have to identity what you are fighting against. The responce depends on the antithesis of it.
People who struggle are shaped by what they are fighting against.
This is why it is so easy to divide the Left and Right, and even divides within each. Groups are shooting at different goals in terms of who they think they are fighting against. If there is no agreement on the cause, it is impossible to fight against.
Whether or not there is a final 'boogeyman' is not important. Consensus is important.
Normal people like individual liberty and they're only going to warm up to Protectionism.
>implying normies possess individual agency
Do you, define it
People like to have land and easily get things they want done
Authoritarianism doesn't happen in America, even now the corporate foreign lobbied government is despised
Because it oversteps on everyone
@Deleted User and what we have to fight against?
People do not break the mold because it is too costly. This social compliance is evidence of passivism. Rational behaviour from an atomised perspective, but this is not reality. Individualism is ironically the path to exploitation
@Firefly You tell me. The enemy depends on your ideology. Is there a way to get consensus between different political ideology? I don't know. But it is a line in the sand. And getting bearings in the 'competition of ideas' is an important starting point.
@Deleted User I'm asking you. I may have a completely different vision from you.
Personally I have little ambition to 'fix' anything. I was entertaining your question on how to bring the libertarians into camps. Your question implied there was common ground between left and right authoritarianism. Thinking about this I was hesitant to say anything specific about activism in the world, because in the current climate it is easy to go from 0 to life imprisonment by mere suggestion.
I guess I do not know enough about your political stance to answer in more detail.
@Firefly What is your stance on 'Socialism in One Nation'?
Stalin thought we can establish a country that will later unite the world.
I agree. We can do it, yes. @Deleted User
@Firefly In this case perhaps we could get a consensus on the strong nation state. I do not like Mussolini, but he did comment on his admiration of Stalin, saying the Soviet Union was Slavic Nationalism. The full nationalisation of that society is very bold. Perhaps if Fascism was allowed to mature and analysis its own weaknesses, it too would look more towards full state control. But to do this from the onset was seen as too costly for the relatively developed Europe.
@Deleted User strong nation state may be a priority, yes. The unity is possible on an anti-imperialist basis. If you support our anti-imperialist world crusade.
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I guess what I am really getting is a pretty radical position. You have to disrupt people's comfort zones and force them into take an a side on an absolute question.
Whatever the policy, is has to have real consequences. The individual will not take notice until he is personally effected.
Lets disrupt
In my opinion, politics and government has lost respect. Politics has lost its sense of urgency and consequence.
Question: is your vision of the proletariat an 'us vs them' idea?
The way to break into the Right wing mentality is to present a strong character that commands respect.
What is the character of the proletariat?
What I like about 'Socialism in One Nation' is that it counts its pieces. It makes clear what is friend and foe.
That dichotomy is how you make people choose a side.
Alligence to the Party is the way to solve dichtomy
You have to show clearly what the consequences will be if people choose the wrong side and make it credible enough for them to address it. Whether the threat is real or imagined doesn't matter. It brings the struggle into people's consciousness.
That just technicalities. We should use every way possible.
Sure. I am saying you have to force the issue, or it will get no where. At this point Left Authoritarianism seems pretty Fascist to me! <:troll:312064734113431553>
I'm not against of the use of force against any fascist without an alligence.
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In my view, Fascism is built around the Volksgeist, the 'spirit of the people'. It is interchangable whatever it is. Where Marxism fills that is not for me to judge! It is all the same.
What a weird place I find myself.
The more I think about it, the weirder it gets. Marxism resolves the eternal struggle between ingroup and outgroup by making the ingroup everyone. That is the same as the final victory. Very admirable.
The Right often debates and counters with the idea that the human hardware can not handle such objective notions. Not yet. The overcoming of man's shortcomings is implicit in a Communist vision of the future. This is a very Nietzsche idea.
'The New Soviet Man' is an interesting formation of this idea.
Overcoming is important, yes? Clone factories would advance faster than computers. <:p_:312057780317978625>
Welcome to /leftypol/ a low-moderation channel. Feel yourself free here.
i'm soo glad i woke up and got the fuck out of antifa. ijs
Antifa is fucking retarded you better stay tf outta that shit
they'd hospitalise me if they knew where I'm at now
i didnt even know reverse lobotomies were possible. Life is good
don't hate, i'm just tryna bait. hail victory
Whats wrong with antifa?
Bunch of ancoms who act more fascist than "communist"
Quite a few German Antifa belong to the anti-German movement which means they long for the destruction of Germany and support both the USA and Israel.
Antifa means fighting against those you deem fascist. It doesnโt have much to do with a political ideology.
The American Antifa are just a bunch of amcoms, or some sort of anarchists
Also they're cucks
There's even video of some beating on innocent people, and then there's video of the "Anti-Antifa", if you will, fighting the Antifa
It's funny shit cuz most of them are poons
American kids are funny, I've met them a lot. They lack authority, discipline and ability to organize. But I think we can change it by organizing them.
@BofaFett I'm sure they are less fascist than our friend @Deleted User
Germany and Germany embody imperialism in their opinion. This movement began in the 1960s, and is basically the German version of US white guilters.
Wait a minute. Are you referring to American Antifa or all American Socialists
What about solidarity with Palestine?
Anti-Germans unironically support everything Israel and the USA do. You can even hear them shout "Bomber Harris do it again".
I think Palestines land was stolen by Israel and the allies
They were essentially stolen after the Ottoman Empire collapsed and America imperialistically annexed a whole region of land right where the Palestinians were living.
Israel is taking after its imperialist ally
@BofaFett <:caring:312066184948350976> didn't know you are so touchy.
Middle Eastern Manifest Destiny
@Firefly I just don't like getting disrespected by my fellow Comrades, I'm not gonna go cry about it and post a long paragraph on Tumblr or whatever
It is funny tho how Israel defended against other middle eastern attacks after ww2
Only cuz they had support tho
@Engels there are American comrades. Like APL. But they are very small.
I do respect them a little
What about the ones not aligned with a group, but are against Antifa and those fagel liberals
Most people here don't know theory. Most kids outside of antifa are syndicalist abominations. They are the reason we don't have a world movement.
When an ideology sees separation as an illusion, it proceeds to treat everything as such. Invasion and cooperation become indistinguishable.
I'm not reading that
I don't write a lot my man
I'm not about that life
also, fucked in what way about what?
Suddenly its not worth your time?
But how can I respond of you don't tell me
there has to be an argument cmon man
I am focused on my family never said I wasn't
I care about them, but they are of the conservative side and don't listen to me
So it can be a struggle but that's okay
Time is so i have
All* not so
*my name Jeff*
UHHHHHHHHHHHH
got any ๐ ฑepis
No make it italicized you dingus
*autistic screeching*
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