I never read it

I am. I have a copy on my shelf. It's an interesting read and Saul Alinsky was a great organizer.

He was certainly worthy of the title, "Father of Community Organizing". His tactics have been proven effective time and time again.

@Deleted User True that.

do you guys know many anarchists? I have lots of friends that identify that way and never handle any cases of interpersonal violence in a constructive manner people do really bad things towards each other like sexual assault but refuse to involve the state so people who commit the crimes go unpunished but just are shunned by some and spoken ill of on social media

Well, Gary is an Anarcho-Stalinist.. ;P

I am not for vigilantism in the least and the whole situation frustrates me to no end

Here is a pdf of the book I strongly suggest everyone reads it:https://chisineu.files.wordpress.com/2014/02/saul-alinsky-rules-for-radicals-1989.pdf

thanks

I've met a few serious anarchists and lifestylists, but their idealism and complete disconnect from reality was far from appealing. I also went through a phase, around the time I joined the IWW, where I considered myself an Anarcho-Syndicalist. I enjoyed reading Insurrectionary Anarchist literature as well. Lol

The earth is flat

Btw

I am think there is a serious flaws in the criminal justice system and major abuses by the police but I don't reject the idea as a whole, I just hate to see people who really harm others not punished in any way or if innocent slandered with no recourse

the problem with police is that they serve the interests of the rich and elite

like I have friends that ended up murdering a person in a robbery for drugs and my leftist friends want them to go free, I think it is absurdf

Punishment does nothing

not to protect and serve the people

Literally

that comes later

It’s all about rehabilitation

Not punishment

Exactly. They exist only to protect and serve the interests of the bourgeoisie.

Um you know that’s not true right

Um, I know it is.

That is not there sole purpose

I think he should do what is best to help society function well and reform people but I am not against a rigged system in favor of no system at all

If you think that you are beyond delusional

like my old friend and roommate murdered someone and my friends don't think the state should act

http://www.theolympian.com/news/local/article182677826.html

@black jack What is their purpose? Please explain before I embarass you.

protecting and serving people comes after the interest of the bourg tho

All I see is stupid republicans, and idiotic liberals, and I'm just here like "I just want lil peep back"

tbh xanax and codeine addicts are truly today what the hippies where in the 60s

I am not a huge fan of the music he did but I think we should handle drugs and addiction better

they are the true anti system

That the role of police is regularly brought to the centre of things is testimony to the crucial and apparently contradictory role they play in this society. Within the line of their work, they accomplish some seemingly positive things. For example, they may break up fights, arrest insane serial killers and if we are to believe modern televised mythology, help fragile old people cross hazardous city street corners. Then again, any striking worker that has had to deal with them knows they always defend the bosses interests, anybody who has any knowledge of the judicial system knows that they literally all lie under oath and anybody who was brought up in a poor working class neighbourhood has witnessed or experienced their abuse. Of course capitalists, politicians and media propagandists refer only to the former activities to actively promote the police in any way they can. Copwatch liberals and other critical apologists for the police will generally dismiss the latter activities and denounce "isolated cases", rogue cops and call for community control commissions or enquiries on individual incidents.

For most people, the concept of State is associated with legislatures and politicians. This is a very partial view of its content. Besides these institutions must be added the bureaucracy, the judicial apparatus, the clergy, the media, the army, and... the police. The police are the first line of the “bodies of armed men” (4) that are intended to defend the interest of the ruling class. If their real function was to stop crime, they would arrest every capitalist on the planet, as these are the true criminals and their regime the real source of all crime.

Unlike the worker whose interest is to get rid of the boss’s rule, the existence of the police is directly tied to the maintenance of the State and capitalist property relations. In this sense, in no way can cops or prison guards be seen as members of the working class as the trade unions would want us to believe.

I think in a more ideal state they would serve the interests of the people as compared to serving the interests of the people with power in society but I am not against the idea of law enforcement, laws, of the judicial system

Yeah, I agree. I am not at all opposed to something like a "Peoples Militia" or "Community Police Force".

well I think do process is important and people should do our best to avoid insane things like what happened in the Spanish civil war

mass executions based on suspected political associations

I agree, and I firmly believe that the executions which were carried out by the Republican side was a direct-result of the breakdown of the state, as opposed to the orchestrated killings which were organized and approved by Nationalist authorities.

I am of course not saying that their model is one which should be emulated. I am, after all, a Marxist-Leninist. Lol

I tend to ascribe to the mainstream consensus amongst historians in regards to the Spanish Civil War and the atrocities which took place.

yeah the nationalists were way worse but the republican side had major organizational issues along with crazy infighting that contributed to them losing the war along with very limited outside support from governments

Oh yeah, no doubt. There were so many different ideologies at play from Social Democracy to Trotskyism to Anarchism to Marxism-Leninism. Their downfall was inevitable imo. Not enough unity and little support from outside sources.

it is weird to think how long franco remained in power and how little was done about him

unrelated to leftist politics but are you guys buying yourself anything for xmas

Yeah, I think the church played a crucial role in stifling resistance.

As for Xmas, I may buy myself a book or two. You?

I got a little extra scratch from work bought shit for my family and friends but sprung for a ebook reader so I can read stuff away from my computer and not have to pay for it

I was thinking of buying a shotgun but I can always wait

I was thinking the 20" maverick 12guage pump I had the 18.5" model in the past

Nice, I still have a few gifts left to buy for others. And an ebook reader is definitely a great investment considering the vast amount of literature that can be downloaded in .pdf and other formats for free.

the 20" barrel model has a much larger mag tube

yeah I was thinking it would be a good idea

The Maverick is a very reliable and cost-effective shotgun.

yeah I like them I prefer mossberg over remington since they got bought by freedomgroup

I hate FG they pretty much just cut quality control to save a buck ruining tons of good products

Yeah, I wasn't aware of the acquisition of Remington by FG, but that doesn't surprise me.

I think the differences between the 500 line and the maverick line are not enough to justify buying the 500 main issue is cross bolt safety as compared to tang safety imo

Definitely not. I will gladly take an 88 over a 500 tbh.

I don't mind the more plastic on it and the cross bolt safety

I just need to save up for a decent AR, AK prices are stupid now

like WASR 10s are well over 600 now

Yeah, I actually have a WASR that was given to me as a gift some years ago but I really want to build my own AR for around 500 bucks.

some people are selling them for 750 plus, like seriously you have jankily milled out receivers with mag wobble alot for so much when you can make a good AR for a company like PSA for around 400-500

Yeah, the WASR 10's are far from ideal as far as AK's go.

yeah I am happy AR prices dropped but I just wish AKs were better priced

yugo N PAPS and O PAPS are a good alternative along with VZ 58s even thought they are not really an AK

I'd LOVE a Saiga..

I remember around 2013 VZ58s were priced around 400 for one with 2 mags and mag pouch and cleaning kit but they probably dried up

Like an Arsenal SGL.

So sexy.

did they ever drop the russian weaspon import ban

No, I don't believe so.

Unfortunately... :<

I remember dudes seeling saiga and other russian made weapons on armslist for way too much when it was announced

yeah arsenal seems like the premier brand for AKs

Yeah, that definitely doesn't surprise me. And I love Armslist. I've found some great handguns on there that were priced really well.

Oh yeah, Arsenal is top-notch.

my question is all the AKs in the world how is it that every goat herder in developing nations has one but most of them are out of price range for the poor here

I guess regulations and such

Yeah, that's definitely an issue. There are far more beneficiaries of Eastern Bloc surplus in the third world.

I'd like to get my hands on a Mosin for around 150 bucks. Lately they've been going for 250-300 around here.

I was thinking of joining the DSA despite them being revisionists but I think they are the only leftist org that really meets in my smallish city

You might actually find some revolutionary socialists there despite their official line.

yeah I shot one with my friends but my friend got one when he was young around 07 I think for 80 bucks or something crazy cheap

I've heard of revolutionary socialists within their ranks.

@quiscalus 80 bucks is an absolute steal.

What state do you live in?

WA

came here 2 years ago from Austin Texas couldn't afford to find a place to live there anymore

these are what my friend has

shit sorry about the photo flood

If I'm not mistaken, the "Freedom Socialist Party" is active in WA, as well as a branch of the "SPUSA". Both of which would be a far better option.

AR, Springfield xd compact 9mm, springfield 1911, built AR, mosin, lee enfield, bushmaster "assualt rifle" weird early model from the 70s.

I should look into them

No worries, beautiful guns. That XD is a great ccw.

Yeah, I love the 1911.

I was also going to comment on that bushmaster ar.. interesting look.

was i kicked or something

dunno

maybe for spamming stalingrad, but I dunno

everyone advertises here

I don't even know the rules here

;>

ok

https://discord.gg/tMfHnJx

I like it over there that russian dude is super nice

with the ruskie runes name

yeah he is

@Deleted User Dun gulag meh. Dun dooet.

ok I love you dudes I will be on later when I get to work I just gotta get ready for work and do errands and the like

k

Much love, comrade. Gotta take care of business, totally understandable. Ttyl

Man, and you guys thought that dem soc's were bad!

Hi

Is anyone from Austria

>group
>4th political theory

@Deleted User let's fuck

4th Political Theory is garbage. Dugin is just a xenophobic Heideggerian parrot with an IQ comparable to that of a mentally-challenged baboon.

He licks asscrack.

Naztrot gang

Lemon would be correct except for the fact he made a serious critique of Dugin when there is none deserved so.

There are two types of Marxists. Vanguardists whose role and success is self-evident, and failed theoreticians.

I'm in leftypol 🤗

Socialism is inherently set up to fail because it siphons wealth off the top producers and it also destroys competition in which our best inventions come from. Also it is way to utopian for us humans, dustyevsky wrote about this and how you cannot get a global population to agree on one ideology it is fundamentally impossible.

@Deleted User yeah, from Vienna

Most inventions are a result of cooperation and coincidences from humans musing about a certain problem. In order to facilitate invention, you have to facilitate muse

socialism was created with the intention to fail, as described by lenin

the goal has always been socialism to communism

socialism can't work it wasnt designed to

agreed. socialism is by definition the conceptionalized transition from capitalism to communism through the reign of the working class and/or its representatives . it fails to transcend any privilege because the most discriminated culture - the working class - is privileged. it isn't the fulfilled humanism since socialism is not egalitarian and the reign of the working class constitutes new power structures which make people open to corruption. this is exactly why real-socialisms failed because they institutionalized and passed on power. Marx was so naiv that these power structures could be transcended through reason to finally reach communism. But power over others corrupts reason inevitably.

L

fun fact you can actually raise your IQ by 500 points just by becoming a centrist

Tru

Damn

Vlad seems to be having a hard day

Sorry vlad

You can go to bed don’t worry about me

You you...

Thanks for proving how much of a petty little prick you are. Your schoolyard games are unappealing to me. Good day to you.

😂

They seem to be quite appealing

To you

Dick move

Hahahaha

@Deleted User Thank you. Idk what his deal is.

@black jack Have a nice day and take care.

Um you’ve said that like thirty times

They find pleasure in unfunny things

He's an edgy one

True lol

I’m not sure what you mean it’s been like 2 hours

@black jack All the best my friend.

Get some sleep

Again

@Deleted User 😂

Bro he is so dumb

Are you still on there

They kicked me

@Deleted User your people are like antifa

@Deleted User what did they say after I left?

Ya I’m curious

Did they kick you?

The odd server which you guys were in is a flat earther only place

@black jack

No all flat earthers are like that from my experience

i think union got kicked and the capitalist i think got banned

I left

It’s hilarious

I see

They need pr

But they are such a small group

They are gonna fail

Are you a flat earther?

@Deleted User

Good

Are those guys on there

But specifically those guys

Ya that one is better and those guys are there

Join this discord

Nice

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No

Stop

Plz

u don like m

i leik u

hart

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Leave

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Capitalism has a culture

consumerism culture

Tell me this isn’t culture

pretty shit culture tbh

@Epigo

That’s what you think

It’s the best

Culture

@Epigo can you send me photos you’ve took of Vienna? I’m trying to look like I’m in Austria (post it on my Snapchat story) so my friend thinks I’m in Austria and I won’t have to go to her wedding

Just google it

Too obvious

I want something that looks real

And believable

This is believable

Don’t lie

Kys cappie

Kys

I don’t want to

Capitalisms pretty cool

My boi

You know whats even better @black jack

auth capitalism

@chill with that shit who is tbat

U joking? @black jack

Ya of course

Jk no

Plz tell

Uh

Its pinochet

Who’s that

Former National capitalist dictator of Chile

He threw commies off helicopters

250k to be exact

Ooh

Nice

Except I can’t find anything when I search natcap

Eh its not really a offical ideolgy

He was just a really hardcore anti communist who loved businesses

And he destroyef all opposition