Aka Ooligarchs

Im not talking about trade

You said get rid of money

Having a dictator is anti-marxist

You're not understanding

What am I not understanding

There is going to be a dictator

No matter what

Someone wants that power

Why doesn't this happen under capitalism?

Anarchy doesnt exist

Real world communism that was implemented an various countries all over the world in 20th century was not real communism. Real communism is a utopian idea in my mind. So real world communism is not real. Imaginary communism is real.

Oh boy

He's back

No state doesn't mean there's no government

dictatorships within a regime with total state power is inevitable

This is my queue to leave

I think he's asking how you can get rid of money if people resist

"total state power"

@Deleted User if your supporter's resist at that

The state is essentially organized by worker's councils that delegate people and shit

you cant get rid of money

People want money to buy luxuries and pay mercenaries to stay in power

Greed runs everything

Democracies and Communes alike

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_communism

competition*

@Deleted User just stop. You make a third world monkey look smart

What luxuries are you talking about

greed is an essential human characteristic, so no government can really be expected to be moral enough to avoid bribery/greed etc

yes

Thats like asking what is a luxury

and thats why communism can nver be implemented

Greed is not an inherent human behavior

Maybe if your people are raised like degenerates, but altruism is totally a thing. You just need to harness it and educate people

or basically

cant work

It's human nature to breath

"implemented"

Economic calculation red her- problem

Okay so

what luxuries do you mean

"people want money to buy luxuries"

Yes

How many millions of people can be convinced to fight for some dumb cause that doesn't help them?

Olev

Why eat bread

When you can buy cake

You cant buy things without money

thats communism @Rhodesiansneverdie#0717

Why work when you can pay someone else

Why point the gun when you can get the merc

Hm?

@Mosin Nagant There's nothing to buy

There's no money

So others can benefit too?

So you admit you can override greed?

Im talking while there is still money

Before you remove money

I'm saying that greed is not inherent

>remove money

as if you can do that

If you say money doesnt exist in your nation

You WILL

Be replaced

and people will leave

it is inherent once you understand basic ownership or value

Nako I don't think you understand english

unless youll have iron curtain

I'm having trouble reading what the fuck you're saying

and purges

Because you're too oblivious to the common fact

Humans have lived thousands of years without money

Wages, promotions, ect. didn't always exist

and?

You think we can revert back to that lifestyle?

you want us to regress?

Humans have lived thousands of years without money, but they substituted that with trade

Without money

thats what youre saying

even before the agricultural revolution

I'm saying that monetary incentive is not human nature

that too @corn hub#7149

It is not apart of out DNA

it is

Give me a scientific study then

competition

and not some retarded article

from competition>trade

>classes

>money

>trade

Trade isn't money dummy

well trade even before that

Yeah but you can't amass wealth when you trade

Things are constantly being exchanged

It isn't permanent

wealth isnt permanent period

Society creates labor specialization and exchange. Unless you're in a nomadic society that has no access to other peoples, exchange and wealth is inevitable realistically

just because your child will have your money doesnt mean itll stay as wealthy

Trade counts as money, though not a form of currency, objects do have value

Human nature isn't static

It has changed throughout history

not really

we still compete

and communism removes competition

"market competition is human nature"

Source?

>market

competition is general

No source I see.

your sources are commie books

Still no source

http://www.labtimes.org/labtimes/issues/lt2008/lt06/lt_2008_06_3_3.pdf

First of all, no citations

but let me read it

Interesting about this, it's related to evolution

Which actually Marx read Darwin's book and it apparently influenced his work

Oh jeez

Our sources are commie books

You got us

^

Retreat comrades we have been defeated

Yeah this doesn't explain how human nature is static

We've been btfoed

wrecked

rip

Untermench too stronk

me waiting for a source

How can we compete with this

@Deleted User Still no source?

dna is static

gotcha

"greed is in our DNA"

source

>greed

not greed

http://psychology.jrank.org/pages/135/Competition.html https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/10/why-we-compete/403201/

assumtion of value

survival mechanism basically

https://theredphoenixapl.org/2011/06/02/the-human-nature-argument/ this argument is pretty interesting too

I will read what you posted

Dna doesn't dictate what human tendencies are @Deleted User

Competition for survival =/= competition to amass wealth

wealth=survival

The second source you posted still doesn't actually explain anything about human nature being static

Capital accumulation is not the same as surviving

saving money for your children?

Regardless, you have to be pretty retarded to think you can "disprove" communism by saying "muh human nature"

fair enough, but working to reach survival introduces the person to concepts of gaining wealth

Apparently Marx and Engels, all communist intellectuals and revolutions never thought about human nature

fucking debunked dude

all these books

debunked

"To look at people in capitalist society and conclude that human nature is egoism, is like looking at people in a factory where pollution is destroying their lungs and saying that it is human nature to cough."

Apparently the world goes round because disbanding morality for self-interest is human nature

It is human nature to survive, to eat, to breathe, to socialize, ect.

Amassing wealth is a complex behavior

but it's a learned behavior

Keep in mind that in communism, the work needed is reduced

Because of advanced automation of productive forces

There's a bunch of people who make just enough money to "survive" and don't get ambitious beyond that

Sometimes yes

Amassing a shit ton of money is not everyone's end goal

be a good communist party members

be a good slave

Most arguments against communism are pretty retarded

They're just regurgitated

and are really short thought

as I said

you can't seriously think human nature debunks all of Marx's work, along with later Communist figureheads

>go back in time

>tell marx that communism doesnt work because muh human nature

>he never writes so communism never exists

how to prevent communism from ever happening

but china type of communism work very well

China became revisionist a long time ago

You can't effectively have socialism in an undeveloped country.

"Soviet America will not have to imitate our bureaucratic methods. Among us the lack of the bare necessities has caused an intense scramble for an extra loaf of bread, an extra yard of cloth by everyone. In this struggle our bureaucracy steps forward as a conciliator, as an all-powerful court of arbitration. You, on the other hand, are much wealthier and would have little difficulty in supplying all of your people with all of the necessities of life. Moreover, your needs, tastes and habits would never permit your bureaucracy to divide the national income. Instead, when you organize your society to produce for human needs rather than private profits, your entire population will group itself around new trends and groups, which will struggle with one another and prevent an overweening bureaucracy from imposing itself upon them." -Leon Trotsky, *If America Should Go Communist*

This is one of the reasons the USSR and China failed

The USSR had shitty living conditions

Anyone interested in joining a new party on ModelUSGov on Reddit?

Like the state housing

It’s authoritarian left basically

That's why Cuba was a disaster. Batista destroyed most industries in Cuba, so trying to implement socialism would just crash onto itself

china maybe will replace of usa

which were addressed by Gorbachev

We’re gonna topple the cucked socialist party

which somewhat caused the market reforms

become a great power country

I would say Cuba was fairly successful

https://youtu.be/-6z6I8gwHk4

in some ways more than the USSR

Why does the left hate this man?

have you ever think that, China only developing just fucking 30years

Living Conditions in Cuba and the state housing system are generally terrible

how many years does usa developing ?

you engrish very well

Remember, Hitler ran a Reich of peace.

I using cellphone sorry

haha

lol

the thing with China is that they were able to develop fast enough because of worker exploitation

lmao

You have to admire the work ethic of the chinese people though

They are patriotic despite all that

Mao was a nationalist

true, it's hard to live in conditions like that yet still be patriotic

China will replace the United States

possibly

No, Jews and niggers will replace the united states

I hope the US keeps declining tbh

China will replace Africa

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I don't really wanna live here anyways

I hate when burgers say that.

China will become the world's top power maybe 30 years later

You literally don't know how lucky you are

no fruck you bitch

india will be world superpower

2020

Lucky for whaT?

lol

Za fuck

especially with the one belt trade deal they're negotiating

What are americans lucky for

Nah China is pretty much the superpower

we have a fucking 35% obesity rate

I'm gonna say 10 years

Undisputed

Kek

Especially with all their reveunue from buying up bitcoin

I say 3-8 years

Could be

Rectionary period, here we come

Europe needs competent leaders like Xi

the decline of the US as a superpower will be beneficial for socialism

China ranks third in the world in military affairs，Thirty years of development

Economic World ranked second

Once most Chinese people reach middle class, the American economy will pretty much be defeated by them

How about the next thirty years

Most likely China will mark #1 like you said

not sure how I'd feel about that

so learning ching chong is important

LMAO

nah