^

did he get it?

fuck no

Nope

what did hitler get

put corpratists in high positions of power

such as the military industry

Hitler did not put corporate shills in high places

You need to read up on the people that the /leftfags/ used as examples such as Hjalmer

He put them in power because they were loyal and capable not just because they were "corpratist" what ever you mean by that.

He was pretty close to being a communist

Went from banker to political activist to NSDAP member

He was one of the leaders of the German Democratic Party or whatever that shit was called hold on

Fascism must be authoritarian. A weak government is easily crushed. And then if you have a decentralised society, it is crushed militarily. It is a violent world, authoritarianism is the only way out of this quagmire.

I would have to agree with that point.

Authoritarianism is one of the many revolutionary tools necessary for a healthy society

Once it becomes tyrannical the tyrant is cast out and the masses or the oligarchs take control

Which then pervert themselves and allow for the next

And the next

An authoritarian state is the strongest tool to mobilize a nation to combat threats outside and within as well as solve larger problems.

@Deleted User Working class people's labor creates wealth. The bourgeoisie give workers only a portion of what their labor has created, and takes the rest for themselves despite not doing anything but owning the land. Owning a bunch of empty land isnt hurt
ing anyone, but hiring people for 'productive property' does.

Communism, if it is truly the next destination on the cycle, will itself pervert much like any other progression has

What will take over then?

Assuming that after the fall of authority you don't return to capitalism, or change to communism.

bud, you don't think we'll protect ourselves in our individualistic fashion?

we wont need your forms of government to protect ourselves

we'll arrange that.

The individual contributing to the whole is much more valuable than the individual pretending to be the whole.

What if I gave them a bigger portion of what their labor has created and have them all work for me? Why can't they just form their own communes and Co-ops to compete?

don't about 4/5 business fail

@Deleted User Good question. Communism is predicted as inevitable as it is a resolution to the struggle over the means of production. It is the end of an era. After that is pure productivity, crossing a kind of event horizon.

If at first you don't succeed try again @dindins

you're kidding me

no

Its that simple

do you know how much fucking debt that causes

Every revolution has been a crossing or an end to an era

Feudalism to industry

Because under capitalism, one requires capital to buy land. Workers have tried to get together and tried to form their own factories, but exploitation is more profitable.

If you make money you can pay off debt thats how that works @dindins

@Deleted User Yes, but this different. At no time has humanity experienced complete and conscious economic emancipation. It is very radical transformation. Like a singularity.

Oh, theres a book on debt I haven't read yet but its on my list: "Debt: The first 300 years". Ive heard good things.

3000*?

Alright then.

Do you even hear yourself?

Assuming you have read Engels. History is a story of the relationship to production.

Production is related to materials and boy do we all love materials

Yes we do.

That is a very narrow view on such a complicated subject.

This is the materialist theory of history.

It is mentioned in the link I posted for you.

Yeah, I know

here's something i would highly reccomend to read

http://www.spunk.org/texts/intro/faq/sp001547/secG6.html

>stirnirist

Mans lust for materials creates a feedback loop where he can not escape. To shortcut this and advance humanity, Socialism is the way out. Porky is not supposed to enjoy it.

>lol everything's a spook

Dude why are you hanging around /leftypol/

Stirner is full /pol/

PFFTHAHAHA

Man I'

Communism is a spook

:^)

You can make it one

like you do

dindins u a post-leftist?

idiot.

Nah.

sort of

maybe

lol

i'll have to actually read post left stuff

i like anti- work stuff though

Here's a quick question, do you guys have mics?

yes

i'm willing to take this to voice despit how terrible mine is

let me grab a drink though

alright then

@Deleted User You gonna get in on this?

@everyone Join "Marxist Talks" Voice Chat for a night talk.

Union of Egoists

Stirner was a shitposter to the max

@Deleted User please use <#318334778082459653> channel for voice talks.

We need some actual Marxists in vc

@Deleted User they are very very touchy people.

Its 2:30 I'd rather be civil.

im just listeining and learning

@cornography (pfp is corny) <#318334778082459653>

read what

@Firefly#9983 Do you have a mic?

i think you have knowledge but you need to understand it better from a deeper understanding imo

i cant hear firefly

>520 mentions

Maxine u shuld get in voice

You guys stress me out. Like vampires. I think I am done arguing.

That wasn't very much arguing

It was very combative to me, with very little progress. I get baited easily.

I can't handle it. Time to walk away.

Proselytisation was a mistake.

Proselytization of what

Zoroastrians knew it

RIP zoroastrians

What is the zoroastrian connection?

They don't solicit. It is forbidden. Only good individuals will join them because of that.

Wise. Lesson learned.

Very opposite concept from Islam where every half-brained monkey can join and should.

We also have Trotskiests and syndicalists who think the same.

I think I had the wrong idea, trying to convince others.

Convincing works better on the level of organization. Especially when the masses are needed to follow the Party. It is a great skill to convince. But on a later stage, when you descend to masses.

First we need the onse who do not follow.

It is hard to get them by convincing. Requires book writing and such.

It is easier to convince when you play for keeps, not chatter on the internet with no skin in the game. I will focus on myself.

I think it is much harder to build the core of a Party than to do mass propaganda.

Masses will follow. If there is someone to

It is in the nature of the masses

To follow

I think you are right. I still have lots of reading to do. Are you interest in trying to build the core of a Party?

That is what Proriv journal does. I'm not sure where is equivalent in the West. Maybe American Labour Party. But they are American and disorganized. Every western organization I've seen so far is against discipline and is very sectarian/individualistic.

CPGB (ML) maybe a good starting point

But I'm in the states.

I think it is best to start a new organization really.

In the west

I have been watched videos produced by CPGB ML. It has good information but they have a strong focus on recruiting more members. In my country there is no good ML groups either.

Where is it?

What country?

@Deleted User I think CPGB ML passed through many shifts. I think it was twice they purged many and re-established pure ideology. If they target more people right now it might be OK for them.

In Australia.

@Deleted User Very unlucky.

Move to Europe, USA.

For politics.

It would be a shame such intelligence rot in Australia.

I would not rule it out. After I finished reading Fundamentals I will decide if I will be a Marxist or not.

It is not a decision.

If you decide on it you are not Marxist from the beginning. It is a process of arrival to conclusions.

I had a hard time becoming Marxist because of idealist concept. It was very hard to break it.

I made no such decision before I even started. I wait for more information to see if the theory is reasonable enough to take further. I need to make a decision at some point. I think I will know after I have read all the basics.

decision on what? It does not require a decision. I didn't decide to become Marxist.

I was hardcore idealist.

My difficulties are also idealist. Absolute, dogmatic and mystical thinking, as a response to stress. I guess the illusion of a decision is also idealism, but letting go of it.

And the consequences of idealism hit me so hard I'm still not fully recovered.

So it is not a decision. If it for me to decide I would stay idealist.

I say try your idealism hard to shatter it.

That seems radical, but interesting.

It worked for me.

Not without breaking bones.

But it worked.

Better option is reading books.

My dirty secret is that I have a soft spot for Islam.

@Deleted User Islam is a great way to control masses indeed.

What consequences of hardcore idealism did you find?

@Deleted User absence of result is the worst. I was also been destroyed by the pressure I've put myself under. Even physically. But also personally.

That is why the promise of Heaven is such a successful psychological trick. It forces a gamble and you never know whether it is true or not. Then the idealistic mind wants to believe, the subconciousness wants to believe, and also to avoid Hell. Fear is the other side to suppress Reason.

@Deleted User You do know the one who promised you Heaven was a merchant with a history of tricking you into it for profits.

Certain personalities are vulnerable.

Most non-adult not yet educated are. Most adults are vulnerable. That is why I think to use idealism is more efficient than to fanatically eradicate it.

Lenin was wrong on it I think.

Also suffering and stress make people more religious. Marx mentioned its pain killing effects. You can not punish religion out of people. You only reinforce it in their minds. You make martyrs.

@Deleted User I think, both directions should take place at the same time. One is to educate idealists into diamat. Second is to use remaining idealism for a better good.

If you can't completely destroy it - lead it.

Anyway, for me, I think to embrace hardcore idealism would be a one way trip.

@Deleted User I already did my one way trip.

Maybe you have a better luck.

Interesting.

No matter how strong you are the material forces are stronger.

It is great when strength is combined with the material forces.

Very beneficial.

Look at Stalin. He wasn't too smart, he didn't write much and didn't complement the Theory. But his little strength was enough to change the whole word and to win all his rivals. Just because he had a materialistic Theory behind him.

I need to digest this. Maybe talk to you tomorrow.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_f5ojDWMpV8

get real you bobbleheaded multicult snowflakes

Much love

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VYd4sonvRQ

@Firefly the far left are ridiculous smdfh

gosh. LSD analogues are totally legal in Germany for some reason. who woulda thunk it...swim told me..if you leave the PLSD in the freezer it gradually gets stronger and degrades into pure LSD 25. How strange!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FuiTjREOQe0

oh, that's really politically sanguine. awful

X/A axis ?..genetics? now you're really pushing the envelope. How dare you!!! fuck your ethnic consciousness during this full spectrum war on European ethnicity by jewish supremacists! cunt!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/2017/05/22/europe-birthplace-mankind-not-africa-scientists-find/ can't stand those whining neanderthal remnants #soroslivesmatter

the left are dead in the water like a toxin...they are NOT on the ball to what is going down

escaping the lifelong programming is the best thing you can do. It really isn't requisite to start hating other peoples just because you become aware of the rights of your own ethnicity.

@slack#7189 I don't see pure LSD in USA for long time already.

It mostly garbage.

b..b..but muh colonialism...gtfo bobblehead...the first world is uniquely comprised of post colonial societies..where the rule of law was introduced, life expectancies increased and generally the infrastructures that are still in evidence today, were built

it's legal here, buddy...i can send you some if you want

It is easier to use deep-web camel caravans.

i dunno..i can order it overnet, no probs..it's almost like the leftwing govt here wants ppl to get messed up on the stuff lol

I don't think you can fix problems of EU with more legislation.

https://youtu.be/qPuhvL31vhY

EU cannot be fixed, it's another German meme to take over Europe first by enslaving the countries with a common currency and then with legislation

And the legislatiob will only help the corporations to crack the small business

Just like the Mussolini fascist state

@Deleted User Lolbertarian detected

<:porky:315615014751043588> like my new legislation my dear friend! we are working for you!

@Deleted User and thus the beginning of the new Reich

not like that, why call it with such a harsh word

"Union" is better

disguise it just like they do today :^)

(((((((((German meme)))))))))))

@Deleted User Wow is that an example of gooddest goy alive

>goy

@Deleted User This pic so fucking true

yeah

^ same with communism.

Straight up goy trap

Communists have killed most of the jews tho

Not even Natsis came close with their holocash

<:Thonk:291442234199375872>

But that's because communism is like. Automated goy sacrifice

So they can watch the suffering on shabbos or whatever.

I was giving this some thought, a communist state is a hilarious sock puppet state.

This is the game in NK. But my god. The genius of that plan is 😂👌🏽

Which is a replay of the Cuba exercise

It's like any asshole can put on a communist mask and the unwashed masses will happily serve you the riches of a people.

In essence, MacArthy was not only right, but didn't go far enough.

🚁

benis

Speaking of helicopters

http://www.flti-ci.org/columnaopinion/noviembre2016/fidel-pinochet.jpg

How the hell did this even happen, it literally breaks the memes

You need to be able to interact with the leaders of other countries if you want to run your own.

@National Trotskyist diplomatic meetings

and what swastika guy said

Top 10 Akward Anime moments

Well.

Looks like we'll have to revivify the helicopter meme.

I don't have the capital to buy a helicopter, but I bet I can get the capital to buy a helicopter before a socialist can stop me.

😃

Pure socialist utopia.

https://vid.me/eF0q

Holy shit, that's brilliant

yes

ew why are people unironically doing weird nazi stuff in here

fascism is so fuckin dumb lmao

read literally any of their books and it becomes immediately apparent

that guy johannes the other day didnt seem dumb but the book he linked me to explain fascism was literally retarded

like look at this trainwreck of a paragraph

Let’s get this point down with brutal force. Fuck intellectualism
- intellectualism shouldn’t be standing anywhere near Fascism in
any shape or form. What we mean here by Intellectualism is the
circle-jerking habit of pompous over-intellectualized analysis of
things both great and inane that leads to nothing else but a neverending
dribble that is never converted to Action. Fascism is a path
of Heroic Action, that doesn’t negate contemplation, in fact
contemplation is one of the inherent male forms of Heroism,
however it is a far cry from the phenomenon of Intellectualism
which is directly tied to the process of Involution, small wonder
that Liberals and cultural marxists love it (which are in essence
different names we give to the same enemy as will be shown
later), the main purpose of intellectualism is deconstructive
thinking "to pull at the very fabric of life until there is nothing left
but a thread, they want nothing but nothingness, nothingness
without end."

fascism is a path of heroic action (whatever that means) but also contemplation (somehow) but don't contemplate too much unless you will become a liberal and cultural marxist (which are the same, somehow)

y i k e

"What is Fascism? Unfortunately the questions doesn’t yet have
an answer that would be as precise as, for instance, the answer to
“what is marxism?" It’s not that there is no direct answer, it is just
that nobody ever gave the answer."

ah yes, nobody has ever answered what marxism is

n o b o d y

sorry ill stop

ok nevermind

im gonna break down one more complete trainwreck passage from this book

There's basically infinite numbers of potential ideologies and
world-views, but they all belong to one of two categories, which
are polar opposites and totally irreconcilable. Those two categories
are modernism (often called materialism) and traditionalism
(often called idealism). In modernism, the highest good is to be
comfortable and safe, while avoiding pain and danger. Everything
is good or bad according to that criteria. In traditionalism, the
highest good is truth and the rejection of falsehoods. Everything is
good or bad according to that criteria.
It's very important to note that for modernists, ideas, values and
theories are tools to be used to attain material ends. Those things
have no inherent value in themselves. If truth is in the way of
feeling good, then truth must go. Inversely, for traditionalism, it
is material conditions and possessions that are considered tools -
used for the purpose of attaining and upholding truth. If comfort
and safety are in the way of truth, those things must be sacrificed.

how can there be infinite ideologies and worldviews but they only fall into two distinct ideologies

materialism and idealism are not irreconcilable this is such a fucking bad take kant resolved this 200 years ago

modernism /= materialism