@Deleted User Yes, this is one of the points of our propaganda.

@Tenta All german establishment deeply believes all the SJW shit, thus leftist

@checkers , for money.

Divide and conquer, this is what SJW shit is about.

Identity Politics is deeply racist and sexist. Your worth is defined by your looks, your origins, your sex, your gender.

PREACH

IDENTITY POLITICS IS A CODIFICATION OF CASTE

SJW crap helps dividing the masses into tiny groups that end up fighting each other for marginal privileges.

YOU AHVE TO HAVE A CASTE FOR INTERSECTIONAL THEORY TO WORK

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But it'll work out in the end when we've turned all the peoples into a brown goo with the same mcdonalds culture, that's so beautiful #worldcitizen

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/12357471-the-conspirator-s-hierarchy the first edition came out in the early 1990s. The author predicted the rise of SJW and says they are funded by high tier capitalists like Soros.

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@Firefly Holy shit, I mischaracterised your position. A technocratic, centrally planned, pro-eugenic collectivist society is literally the opposite of what I thought Leftism represented. I can support this.

@Dzerzhinsky Thanks for the reminder

@Deleted User , I’m a transhumanist, by the way.

@Deleted User Proriv, the Russian Marxist magazine also has been expelled from one of the Russian communist parties for elitism.

@Deleted User http://4pv.livejournal.com/11599.html

@Tenta Adopting labels always backfires through cringe plus it sucks you into thinking in ideology

Like memes, they turn into something completely different in terms of perception after a while

@checkers, do you know the Deus Ex universe? That’s basically what transhumanism is about: merging with technology. I’m very excited that scientists are making progress in building technology based on biological compounds.

They also found a way to fight implant rejection which is in the Deus Ex universe the Darrow Defiency Syndrome.

I know what it is and there can be benefits to some of it but it's silly to heap it all into one position and be for or against

@Tenta Transhumanism is a meme marketed by corporatism. I would be wearying of identifying with it too much.

Germany, of course, already passed a law that places severe restriction on the so-called "bio hacking".

@Firefly Based article. Thanks.

@Tenta @Deleted User I think part of trans-humanism is a deeply idealist movement controlled by SJW. Another part is Orthodox Marxist.

The USSR also researched transhumanism a lot. It doesn’t have to be corporatist.

@Firefly , I don’t see any SJW shit in the transhumanist groups I’m in.

The worst SJW are even against hearing aids because that’s "imposing ableist views".

@Tenta I've seen many about 10 years ago. Most of them been started by objective idealists. I've been looking for a non-idealist one but could not find.

I’m really cynical when it comes to politics.

@Firefly I read that Stalin rejected too much automation in the factories because it was perceived that it would make workers weak and complacent. I admire this focus on uplifting the human condition and not simply making life easier for progress sake.

Why do you think in terms of groups/thought systems being an objective instead of something real, practical and immediate?

If that makes sense

@Deleted User automation was one of the primary goals of Stalin's strategy.

What is it exactly about (for example) the transhumanism that you like and how can you do something with that? Or is just talking and dreaming to pass the time the objective?

@checkers You can develop AI. Many companies start working on it right now.

@checkers or VR

Are you working on something like that right now?

Or do you want to talk about how to find practical uses for it?

@checkers I'm looking into it.

Let's assume you have the skills to make a decent ai and you have the time, what would you make?

@Firefly And yet it did not remove the concept of struggle from life. Maintaining tension towards every higher goals is an important aspect of the collective motivation, is it not?

@checkers you can work in the office of AI company without skills

So you want to join a "transhumanist group" to find a low skill job in an AI company?

@Deleted User Tension is one of the ways to control things. There are many various ways.

@checkers I say you can do it if you don't have any skills.

Ok. I like data and bots myself, I have a box sucking down millions of users from twitter and other social sites

16 mill on twitter right now

@Firefly My concern is that transhumanism is a promise of not having to struggle. It's allure is hedonistic and hence corrosive to improving the quality of humanity. Full automation fits thie category and is not insurrance and future collapse, infact represents a false sense of security if taken too far or too blindly.

Also when people make changes to their variosu bio fields or move their phone, I record that. Have a few ideas on how to use it

@Deleted User , there won’t be less work. The work will be shifted to other fields. Just like nowadays only few people in the Western world work on farms when it had been pretty much everyone a few centuries back.

Thee will always be work, and the majority of humans wants to work, wants to feel useful to society.

@Deleted User I'm more pro-objective than pro-subjective. Subjectivity of the humanity has to develop into objectivity. At some point humanity will no longer exist.

I disagree. We'll grant at least one planet to the tribal races where they'll commune with jenkem until the heat death of the universe

Those are good responses. Thanks. I guess I am projecting my own experience as a domesticated human not coerced into labour, I hence only engage in leisure which is not objectively goal orientated.

>only engage in leisure
Is that why you're for socialism? Bit selfish isn't it

rofl3x@transhumanism

transhumansts come in two types, the liars, and the losers.

the liars want you to believe that any of this shit is possible or rational and know that it is not

the losers can't be bothered to do their due dilligence

@checkers Honestly, part of the appeal is the idea of a dictatorship of the proletariat, a coercive collective function of discipline to give some measurable objective purpose in life

LMFAO

>dictatorship of the proletariat

my fucking sides

the proletariat is not equipped to hold such power else they would not be mere proles

@Deleted User Our ideas come from the objective necessity in material basis. Without any purpose.

My objective is to smash ideologies and establishment, the world would be much improved if we just shot everyone with a blue checkmark at least once every third generation

@Firefly I'm sorry, can you clarify what is meant by objective necessity?

@Deleted User something that is happening without our will.

The way forward is developing 3d printing and riling up people against ruling sects like leftism. perpetual low intensity civil war would make for a healthier society

By itself

so who's retarded idea was it to post the discord invite on /pol/ and then be typical low energy leftists

which, btw is what LEL stands for.

Without it we always fall into these trances where everyone in power thinks the ruling ideology is pure truth and the way it's always been. It's disaster

@OF-8 You are not a very interesting guy to converse with, sorry. Even chechers is better

We're seeing the beginnings of some major shit that will be griped about in history books. Indoctrinating 3 year olds into gender ideology until they become confused and say the wrong word and then get Dr. Money'd

@checkers if you don't see Soros trying to discredit Left you are fool.

>low energy

>>> r/t_d

@Firefly That's such a handwaver, you know as well as I do 99% of the left is all in on this shit

Hahahaha @iron

Got banned from T_D the other day

@checkers Put your nose out of your American leftiest abominational left. There is a big world around you.

Made some thread about breeding the Based Black men with trumpettes to prove to the left they aren't racist. 40 replies iirc

@Firefly You mean philosophically, that free will doesn't really exists and we are merely operating under our biological functions?

>trannypede

literally any place on the internet is better than t_d

Trannypede had me laughing so much, fucking hell

I made a thread about it and goaded the T_Ds into doubling down on it and talking SJW shit. https://www.reddit.com/r/AskThe_Donald/comments/69otkn/many_rthe_donald_users_describe_themselves_as/

read that, it's hilarious

@Deleted User Free will is dialectical. Subject is both a subject and an object at the same time. Even the subject in authority is ultimately an object.

lololol

whats the difference between them and neoliberals anyway

my god we've got some velocity here, im gonna drink some capitalist beer and watch the ingrate show

Nothing since Trump 180'd and they accepted it

no principles

what the fuck

>red pills

they adopted all the /pol/ memes without understanding their meaning and context

It happens to all mems and they die

KEK! SHADILAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

that's what reddit does

We have the best trannypedes, don't we folx?

thats how it uperates....RTD is implanted cancer

basically you take the cancer from 4chan and put it on reddit, you get RTD

now reddit has a new type of cance

Yeah. it's fun instigating them against eachother though

I remember in summer 2015 when r/t_d was a /pol/ colony there'd be threads about jews and race on the frontpage

I read reddit required them to remove a certain cis_white_male moderator or something? To avoid a ban?

yeah

brb

@Deleted User You said 'with or without our will'. Does this mean to also recognise Will as dialectical and ultimately coming from the subject who is ultimately an object? Is purpose also to be understoof in this specific way - that focus on the subjective/non-material is erroneous or misleading?

*sniffs*

Shit, that was for @Firefly

>Does this mean to also recognise Will as dialectical and ultimately coming from the subject who is ultimately an object?

Yes will is also dialectical. Everything is

From within the dialectic, everything is dialectical, but goddamnit you people sound retarded.

from outside...

the non-dialectical position is basically 😂

the spiciest of memes

@Deleted User Proriv Marxist magazine is focusing on the subjective because of the lack of the subjective forces atm in the left.

@Firefly But within the framework of dialectical. I think I get it.

Yes

Also framework of dialectical is the whole universe.

only from within the dialectic

from outside its a tiny bubble

millions of people stuffed firmly up their own ass, tovarish

what a sight!

@Firefly This may be a redundant question, but within this dialectical framework, how do you determine what to pursue? Is Marxist more just a call to remove delusion around the dialectical universe?

@Deleted User To remove the delusion is the very first thing. Marx argued that as an active human substance we are, we also not only to remove the delusion but also change the world around us. It has practical meaning.

We do it out of necessity

@Firefly Yes, that is what I wanted to imply

@Firefly So then Marxism is about emancipation according to materialist principals and not any specific ends; class consciousness is a means to an ends?

@Deleted User Class consciousness is a tool.

Class is to form by us and to degrade by itself.

Thanks for your concise answers.

@Deleted User You are always welcome here.

There is also objective class and subjective class consciousness. Two different things.

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@BofaFett We have right-wing infestation. But they are not as bad today as usual.

Alright who said that Hitler did nothing wrong?

@checkers this guy

@Firefly define right-wing

@OF-8 this too

Anyone on the first quadrant of the political compass

Any republican or far right nationalist

Play-Doh is now available in safe space room 105, prayer room section

So I'm guessing you think all leftists are the same?

checkers believes we are all SJW, even though we told him multiple times we are anti-SJW in here.

All leftists are required to believe in every tenet of intersectionalism and refusal means you're a fascist. in that sense, yes.

Anyone got any jokes to lighten things up or are we gonna have to meme it up

How come I don't think like that @checkers ?

You're not a leftist then, you're a fascist sexis-racis

WITH TRANSPHOBE ENHANCEMENTS

ewwwww

I sure am, I'm what ever you tell me I am

Memes pls

It’s a waste of time, really.

But seriously, you'll get driven out of any leftist group or association if you don't believe in even one little bit of intersectionalism. in fact, they may call the police and say you're a danger to them; they feel unsafe

@Tenta that is why we have to have a nice and smart mod for German channel.

That's why I choose not to be part of one, I think about establishing one myself or just sitting back and relaxing and wait for something interesting to pop up

Freedom of speech is a far right extremist position

@checkers , you have started repeating yourself. You are far less entertaining than a chat bot.

I feel like there are certain things that shouldn't be allowed to be said, obviously not things like 2 genders or stupid shit like that

You're free to refute my point

Is it correct to say that Marxism and Dialectical Materialsim is amoral - that the subject/object will act according to its material state and that morality is subjective?

I mean like racist or threatening talk

@BofaFett Racis or sexis talk would be way too far. And transmisogynistic talk.

Yes, like "kill all Jews" and "kill all whites".

And people who don't check privilege

I'm talking those Hitler Speeches or any Nationalist things checkeroni

@Deleted User Diamat users may act according to the social, communal necessity, as well.

Lets kill all black people

The other day a white cis male held the door open for me. Can you believe the ultra extreme wordlwide cis white hegemonic conspiracy that was perpetrated against my personhood of colyr=

example

Aw cmon

Fun fact: Hitler gets subtitled in German documentaries when the content is important, so that Germans can understand what he is ranting about. 😂

B O I didn't lemme type fast enough

@Firefly Necessity according to subjective and practical implementation of Marxist principals only?

Checkers I thought I said shit like that wouldn't be censored

Because it's funny to watch liberals cry

@BofaFett , he is a troll. He posted SJW shit for ages earlier.

He can’t grasp that we are anti-SJW here.

Racism and the other boogeymen are subjective, I'm making a good point and you know it if you stop and think

Trolls get extra gulag time round these parts

The idea that leftists can be anti-SJW goes over his head.

@Deleted User please clarify the question. My English is not as good as yours.

@tenta That makes you fascist according to the left itself

I'm getting the feeling that you're trying to classify all leftists as liberals honestly

@BofaFett , see?

There's a difference between the 2

Yes, that’s what he is doing, and this is his entire agenda. He takes pride in getting banned from servers, and I can see why. He does nothing but posting annoying SJW shit.

Let me be clear. ALL leftist organizations, parties, groups will ban and expel you if you're antiSJW

Antifa aren't even Leftists honestly, they look right imo

I’m in several large anti-SJW leftist groups.

@Firefly You said, "social and community necessity". Do you mean, necessity to implement Marxist thought? Is there any other aims, does Marxism have any inherent morality or is it scientific and non-moral?

No you're not. Holy shit man, burden of proof, fantastical claims, etc

@checkers Not this one. I'm banned on half of the internet myself.

Checkers what kinds of things do u post online

Antifa doesn’t have a political agenda. They fight anyone they label as fascist, and some just fight for fun like football / soccer hooligans.

And don't say 8chan, that's an anon site for literal zoophiles

All anarchists are 1st to go to the Gulag

Liberals are first to be shot

Educating is much better.

Checkers I bet you horde grain 😤😤

lmao you won't be shooting anybody with your 0.00000000000000000000000000001% of pure enough leftists.... The SJW left holds all the power

I wonder when the downfall of America will be honestly I just want us to suffer

Knowimsayin

God Damn type slower

All the leftists will be eaten by their congoloid comrades on day 3

Nah there's gonna be a giant civil war between all leftists

Winner will be in charge

@Deleted User If Marxism operates on something else but science it is not Marxism. Lenin defines Marxism in one word as "materialism". I personally disagree with Lenin on the possibility of the use of the morals and idealism. Idealism is to be used by Marxists in my opinion. In the same time while using idealism Marxism stays true to the science.

SJW are regularly fighting against each other, and the alt-right does the same because they are also deep into identity politics. They are on different sections of identity politics. It’s best to let them fight each other.

@BofaFett Do you realize major catastrophe in USA would kill leftism over night? Rural people would be fine with the farms and smaller communities full of trade skills

They don't take kindly to yer kind, gnomsayin

@checkers , did you just propose loosely connected farming collectives like Bakunin favoured?

@Firefly That makes sense. What does this Marxist morality and idealism look like? Do you have examples?

@Tenta LOL

Leftism in the west is exclusively cosmopolitan

rich kids in major population areas

I stem from the Eastern bloc.

I live on minimum wage.

We've already established you aren't a leftist so it's a bit of a moot point

@Deleted User Lunacharski is the best example. He tried to create a current of Orthodox-Christian Communists. Got confronted by Lenin on theoretical level, backed up and got into the Ministry of Enlightenment of USSR.

You need 6 iphones and a twitter spewing the latest SJW cause

@Deleted User I personally don't like Lunacharski that much. But he had interesting thoughts.

I don’t even have a smartphone, just an old Nokia brick.

I’m getting tired: http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/media/images/75614000/jpg/_75614316_fig2hippos.jpg

I have a $50 thing that can only do SMS

@checkers what if I told u I am a suburb kind of fella with a right family

I'd be shot by own family lmao

I want to accelerate SJWism, it's often hilarious, other times enraging and sends people fleeing to the right

@BofaFett , he will tell you to "self crit". 😂

I can't afford iPhones, plus I like androids better

Especially the ones I make

Checkers thats also why I hate rightists, I've seen it with the left too honestly, but you both spew shit and pose as the <insert left or right here> to make people "convert"

@Firefly This is incredibly interesting. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God-Building

I think identifying the most lunatic SJWs and boosting them with twitter bots could be worth a shot

Hell I'd like to see it

Or spam pictures of the meninst stuff instead