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*Science attempts to serve as an immortality project, something that Becker believes it can never do, because it is unable to provide agreeable, absolute meanings to human life.*
*...the only suitable source of meaning is transcendent, cosmic energy, divine purpose*
*Thus, since humanity has a dualistic nature consisting of a physical self and a symbolic self, we are able to transcend the dilemma of mortality through heroism, by focusing our attention mainly on our symbolic selves. This symbolic self-focus takes the form of an individual's "immortality project" (or "causa sui project"), which is essentially a symbolic belief-system that ensures oneself is believed superior to physical reality. By successfully living under the terms of the immortality project, people feel they can become heroic and, henceforth, part of something eternal; something that will never die as compared to their physical body. This, in turn, gives people the feeling that their lives have meaning, a purpose, and are significant in the grand scheme of things.*
Many are the plans in a person’s heart,
but it is the Lord’s purpose that prevails.```
Whomst've'th mentioned me?
@🅱host 🅱alaxies#6270 Also, stop it
@🅱host 🅱alaxies#6270 Rick and morty is an intelliectual show.
It's not even good art
Is it purely gross out? I'm assuming it is.
Is anarchocomminism a meme?
@Chalin No, it's real. Not a very convincing theory, but it exists unironically by many Anarchists.
It seems equally if not more nonsensical than ancap
Because communism requires the state to own the property
But you can't have state owned property without a state
Chalin, I haven't read up on it but supporters of it are very defensive.
It should be called anarchomarxism or something else
If it is a legitimate ideology, it's name is poorly chosen
Oh boy. Where do I start and can I be bothered.
How about the name. Is there a more accurate name for it?
Marxism uses Socialism to reach Communism. AnCom just detroys the state to achieve communism. I agree it's pretty retarded.
But there are insurrectionists who believe in continued fighting against the state post-revolution.
It hasn't been tried yet.
As I am aware it abolishes the state functions, capitalism and private property for common ownership. Not sure how that works.
Sounds too crazy for me to read and take seriously.
The main problem with anarchism is that in order for it to succeed post-revolution is resorts to authoritarianism through necessity.
I mean, in the past it has.
Its hard to prevent anarchy from devolving either into a state, or into barbarism
Insurrectionists think they can maintain an indefinite guerrilla war.
And this is seen as the height of Anarchist thought.
I unironically sympathised with this. Because it's fun.
I don't consider any violent means to be a legitimate way of dealing with a state who isn't violent to its own citizens
I mean if you thrive in an anarchist society it doesn't seem so bad. Don't know how long would last like that though.
The only reason the state exists is through threat of violence. Think about that.
I would hate to be a woman or a retard in anarchism.
I accept just violence used to maintain society.
Anarchism doesn't mean Chaos. This is somewhat a misunderstanding politically.
I think anarchism in all forms will lead to chaos. That's just my belief.
I don't consider it bad when a state chooses to pacify a violent individual with controlled violence
Anarchism isn't sustainable, given human nature
Communists would agree.
Is this a communism server?
Anarchists think that people are generally good, that's their view on human nature and why they think it would work.
That's like asking if the /pol/ Discord is a fascism server
It seems that Communists are unrepresented on the internet. But they make up for it. They are generally more well-read than their counterparts.
It's mostly fascism with a sprinkle of ancap
@Anglican I'm not being 100% serious, or loyal to the correct definitions
I know what it is
> I'm not being 100% serious
Makes it hard to have a conversation.
/pol/ can go choke ona dick
It's just tiring, it's just autistic and hateful sperging.
Sure, they've memed a lot of shit in the real world. But it's just, like, fuck.
I agree. I farm memes there, but I'm a leftist.
Hate, if it must exist, must be used in a positive way.
I'm assuming they're some form of Succ Dem
libertarian, but near center
There she is.
Hate that /pol/'s go-to response is "dude weed lmao"
Seems like the default position for political noobs.
I've retreated from politics after realizing that /pol/ was starting to radicalize my me and make me swing far right
So I don't really have a proper position
Don't take /pol/ serious. It's an echo chamber. Read about different ideas.
>Tfw you attempt to get into IronMarch and they basically pelt you with eggs and shitty memes
Do you know what IronMarch is nooby?
>I state that the Kaiserreich, not the 3rd Reich, was the height of German civilization
>half of the /pol/ Discord calls me a cuck or shill
I find myself sympathizing with several opposing stances
That's generally what happens before you collaspe into a singularity.
Also, I'm not entirely sure about how the Reich and Kasierreich compare.
I know there was a moral warmth within the Reich, but it could have been very the same in the Kasierreich. But the entire point of fascism, the uniting of the people into one collective, was achieved
and the people were mostly healthy before the war begun.
National Socialism does seem like an ideal economy for war
Nah, nah. That was Hitler's policy for the war.
A lot of National Socialism came directly from Adolf.
The inherent plan within NS doctrine is not jumping to war.
It pulled Germany out of economy crisis through effective authoritarianism, and the economic system seems well suited for focusing on war
Simply because the state is given so much control
Everyone (who isn't an undesirable, woman, elderly, or child) is, in theory, a productive member of the workforce
That's one thing that really bothers me, many NatSocs and Fascists are basically full out patriachial goyim
Stalin had a better war economy.
Just cause you mentioned women. I've been told that women and men are DIFFERENT SPECIES
Ye, I hear that, it's ironic at best
They take a large step beyond acknowledging gender differences
That sounds more metaphorical, the way they say it
(Note: I'm Oktavia)
You have to remember that WW2 emerged out of the brutality of WW1 of the rise of Communism. All they care about is military.
I've seen it said in a more litteral sense
What was Stalin's wartime economy?
/pol/ doesn't discuss that much
It was likely War Communism
it was basically central planning on steriods.
No strikes, unions were directly state controlled, every able person (if not in the military) had to servee the war in some way.
Generally speaking this was working in a factory.
I know it was practiced during the Russian Revolutio.
I know more about what the economy produced, not the means in which it produced it
Quality vs quantity
And Russia's quality was its quantity
It always has.
I really get frustrated by moderate cuckservatives talking about socialism
Yea, just saying. I'm reading through another channel.
They don't get it at fucking all
NatSocs get angry about quantity over quality. Like if you just admire quality enough it will magically change history.
**Squints the eyez**
Is that the little danger boy over there?
@Anglican Socialism is quite the broad and interesting range of beliefs, generalizing happens way too much with it.
Well, at least he gets it.
Because it only works in very small closed off communities.
>USSR is small closed off community
>generalizing happens way too much
Capitalism only works in small closed off communities
check mate capies
Feudalism is global
Wanna know something quality?
Wasn't even meant to be a quality tank
It's simplicity was its quality
You need specialists to fix a German tank
Not particular. But it was generalised enough to work in mass production and just throw it at your enemy.
Any peasant with a wrench could fix a T-34
@Deleted User >Collapsed catastrophically in 1991 and a miniature civil war took place following the events which lead to remnants of the union being purged completely from the government
Seems successful to me.
Couldn it be other issues?
And not the economic system within itself?
Oh boy is this the dank bunker enthusiast discord
@Deleted User You just said Socialism only works on small scale. USSR was socialist and not small scale. Don't change the subject.
@Epic Dadrocking Gamer Podcasters I'm a a Market Socialist and Fascist Dx
No Bunkerstands here
@Anglican Socialism really can hardly compete with capitalism, only the soviet union mamaged to compete, and that was only after it reformed to become more democratic and pro free market.
But bruh the hurricanes coming only prove that Hoxhaist Posadism is the way
>Socialism can't compete
But it is MORE MORAL and more RATIONAL for the FOLK
@Deleted User Right, and it still preformed mass genocides and collapsed in the end.
Capitalism is a DEMON that has posioned us for too long, it needs to all be delt with.
Exercised from our national and global spirits
@Deleted User Collapsed in the end because they introduced markets into Socialism.
@Anglican Now hold on there trotsky, you cannot get everybody to magically embrace socialism.
I'm not Trotsky.
And it won't be magic.
Trots get the icepick.
We'll have to work toward creating a world wide opposition to such a disgusting economic system.
It clashes with all forms of nationalism that cares about maintaince of the nation too.
@Deleted User And couldn't that be seen as them failing to combat capitalism and instead embracing it?
@Deleted User What do you mean 'them'? Khrushchev was opportunistic and had bourgeois tendencies. USSR basically died with Stalin. Besides, this is not the end of Socialism. It keeps on coming back. Not so for Fascism.
@Deleted User Yet stalin was with the rebellion from the beginning, so are you saying it was dead from the start?
I have no idea what you are saying. Defeating 80% of the Wehrmacht is not a failure in management.
Yet sending tens of thousands into the urals and it ending with widespread cannibalism and starvation also isn't a failure?
War is difficult. Is this news to you? Also after the war the USSR was stronger than it had ever been.
Just because they had military strength does not mean they were successful.
It's a matter of smart resource allocation. If you can't survive a war, you're dead. Success is not dying.
Poverty, starvation, and crime were still rampant after the war, just because they won the war does not mean that they were automatically successful in the long run.
You just keep moving the goal posts. Thanks for the chat.
I mean, if you really want to debate Marxism, you can easily go to actual dedicated Tankie server.
I can DM you an invite if you have any balls.
I would probably get banned within 20 seconds.
I imagine the second I say something discrediting lenin or stalin, I am going to be screeched at in 15 languages and will be instant banned.
You won't get banned. You just get allocated to Siberia.
But under soviet control, siberia is the land of the dead and cannibals.
Okay, you don't want to play with the big boys. I understand.
welp, im back on this failure of a leftist server
@Deleted User some people never learn that communism doesnt work, not even digitally
Only Anarchists have tried Communism. Even then I wouldn't say their objective is to make it 'work'. There is no way to make Communism work until all Capitalist tendencies have been removed.
can you fucking stop giving excuses you stupid fucking cunt?
whats next? blaming aliens that communism doesnt work?
Well let's define Communism.
im not doing this shit again, no.
It doesn't seem that you even know the different between Socialism and Communism. Of course you're a knuckledragger who doesn't know.
@Deleted User i know the difference, but your retarded ass wont understand shit
Communism is global though. Literally, there is not way to remove the state until all bourgeois has been removed. This is not an excuse, it's just the reality; the praxis.
You seem angry.
and who the fuck are the bourgeois? those 60 million russians that died in soviet union? or those 50 million chinese that died in PRC?
Bourgeois are those who defend private property. I mean, why are you even talking about Communism when you don't even understand the basic definitions?
You're just another angry Nazi.
well, this is exactly why there's no point in arguing with you, you'll just call me names and thats it
Names? I only asked for basic things. If this is threatening to you, I feel sorry.
nope, you didnt ask for anything, and nothing is threatening to me
I wish reality was that fluid. Unfortunately the material process determines the past and the future. This is basic Marxism which you don't even understand. I am curious, how will you fight that which you do not understand? Is the ultimate theory just to dumb-dumb your way to your goals? That's what niggers do.
Are you a nigger?
as you see by the flag, no i am not a negro
Fooled me. You act like it.
>I don't need knowledge, I have attitude n shiet
i do basic research, im not like the average person who swallows what the media says and spews that shit out to other people as if its true
That's something, I guess.
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well thats mildly ignorant
Ignorant of what?
It's okay, I don't hate you. Just go easy on the edge.
saying bash the fash is kinda stupid
i mean people just blindly target other people and call them fascist
It's a start, right? It's the beginning of activism. It's the first hypothesis in a social experience towards revolution. I wonder what the Fascists are doing? Domestic terrorism? How has that worked out for them?
what the fuck are you talking about? i havent seen fascists burn buildings, wreck cars, set shit on fire unlike the american antifa
Well, I wanted to give you the benefit of the doubt. There have been a few white supremists domestic terrorists. McVaugh, Breivek and so on. But if you don't claim those, that's even worse. Your side has done nothing to develop practical political theory.
*Propaganda by the deed* my dude.
once again, wtf. i havent heard much of mcvaugh, but breivik, he did a good thing, he killed like 50 of the young communists that could have started burning buildings and raise hell like commies in USA.
and yeah ik we didnt do anything to develop practical political theory
we're too busy dealing with shit we have today
So now you get uppity. And you haven't even heard of McVaugh. How old are you, 14?
i've heard of mcvaugh you idiot
dont you try to mix shit up
>too being dealing with shit
Meanwhile real Anarchists are taking the streets.
At some point you have to do something of value. Otherwise it's just roleplaying on the internet.
anarchists as those whiny college crybabies?
most of 'em
Your initial reaction is just to stroke your own ego, 'they are just fags'. But you didn't answer my challenge.
**At some point you have to do something of value.**
it aint my fault those youngsters were easily manipulated and brainwashed into being leftists
and lets not speak about the gender studies bullshit
Well, it's your fault if you want to change things.
what do you mean by ''change things''
All I have seen so far is your complaining. Is your politics complainism?
Anarchists take matters into their own hands.
well you've started everything with a bullshit statement
So you agree that your whole political identity is just impotent complaining and roleplaying on the internet?
All evidence suggests so.
I rest my case.
still, you cant accept that communism doesnt work....
Communism is a stateless, classless society.