Which creates a fate worse than death, so I don't think religion is a coping mechanism

If anything thinking nothing comes after life is more comforting

What Christian actively believes they are going to Hell though? Kind of defeats the point. It's a way to 'punish' the unbelievers, while knowing you will instead be saved. Hell is not random, it is reserved for the unrepentant.

It raises the stakes.

Like I said, the book of revelations says very few will make it to heaven

Rich people too, will not enter heaven

It's not very comforting

Even if you make it to heaven, there's a chance a good friend or family member will not, which adds stress and terror to your life

This is deep theology. But like I said, it creates a divide against the believers and non-believers. Apart of self-esteem is knowing the torment that you have avoided. In proposing a fate worse than death, it actually increases the religious response even more.

Maybe adding terror makes people even more religious.

Right, but why add it if it's jut to cope with terror

If it was really just that you wouldn't end up with christianity, it'd be much more soft

If religious is a coping mechanism which works, that a super terror makes a more robust coping mechanism. The greater the terror, the stronger the religious response, and the greater the feelings of invulnerabilty. It's a feedback loop. Once you start it, it feeds on itself.

The people that strike me as less afraid of death are the non religious people

Thinking of religion as simply a coping mechanism is too one dimensional imo

Of course non religious people are not afraid of death, if they were they would be more religious. This is what the theory predicts.

Atheism is relatively new. The comforts of modern life make people less afraid, less consciousness of death.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_and_coping_with_trauma

So people are afraid of death, so they believe in a system in which they can end up at a fate worse than death?

Not only them but everyone they know

Seems to add a lot of stress about death

Not for the the believers.

Yes it does

If you believe you are saved.

Book of revelations tell me otherwise

Jesus is a harsh judge

Are you telling me that Jesus does not save who believe in Him?

Not only by believing

This is pretty contradictory.

You gotta follow Him and His teachings.

So is your theory about it being a coping mechanism

"He who has believed and has been baptized shall be saved; but he who has disbelieved shall be condemned."

Right, and rich people don't enter heaven

Even if they believe

I will take the Gospels over Revelations.

Take the easy route in otherwords

Easy route?

Gospels are more central and came first.

Yes, merely believing and thinking you're done is the easy route

The issue is that belief is something like an observation. Whilst using that belief for more is what saves you.

Also, fuck. Ignore me.

My typing is being very slow

I'm not ignoring you.

Like, you can't be an active rapist, murderer, paedophile, sodomite, animal-abuser and go to heaven. All because you believed.

Also, rich people CAN get into heaven. https://www.catholic.com/magazine/online-edition/can-a-rich-person-get-to-heaven

''The saying was a response to a young rich man who had asked Jesus what he needed to do in order to inherit eternal life. Jesus replied that he should keep the commandments, to which the man stated he had done. Jesus responded, "If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me." The young man became sad and was unwilling to do this. Jesus then spoke this response, leaving his disciples astonished.''

You're meant to fight against your sin, believing that those sins are wrong and such is not enough. Although I know we all conciously sin still, but you know.

Anyway, religion is still offering a pathway to immortal life, that's the main point for the theory to work.

That's the natural assumpition of the human mind.

And hell, which non religious people don't need to worry about

We already discussed this.

Threat of death comes first.

And is less terror than the thought of hell

I didn't much worry about death even when I was an atheist.

For you and your loved ones

Threat of death -> make religion to cope -> raise the stakes to increase stakes and confidence -> increases need to convert and herd society into the religion

Death was just death to myself; I don't think a fear of death (in the modern world) is the issue. it's a need for support in a collasping society.

too one dimensional

>too one dimensional
How's that?

There's heaven so that means is nothing but a coping mechanism is what it sounds like

We fear death when we have strong families and close-knitted together communities. Not falling a part shit piles based upon bullshit values.

You make it sound like hell is just added later to scare the masses

Wait, Tim, you're a Christian?

Not sure tbh

Used to be an atheist

@Anglican This.

>Capitalist modernist

>become deist unsure

>leaning Christian

Oh I'm still a capitalist

**Oy**

You'll have to drop that eventually.

Never

Be gone DEMON

Free this young man!

This is just a secular theory, not intended to be used against theism. We'll end it there.

What?

**Okay**

@Anglican Me and Tim were discussing the theory that religion exists as a coping mechanism for the threat of death.

And I derailed it, ey?

I would be happy for you to continue your discussion of Christianity.

Sorry if I did.

The idea has actually gave me room to pause and reflect on my atheism. Because the thread of death has created in me lots of terror and anxiety. The toll of materialism has been great on my mental wellbeing.

Could it be that it's not how you're meant to be, dear Chopin? I don't want to sound emotionally abusive when I say this, but if something is completely tearing you up inside, You should work to either come to peace with it or get rid of it.

My rational mind fully accepts it, but the rest of my physiology revolts against it.

It's like a nightmare.

Theism or even just simple, numerically 90% possible Deism is natural for human beings.

I know it's not real, but I can't help but be terrified.

It's how our brains are simply wired, we trust in the aetheral because it's how we're wired. Most people who stand so brazenly and claim they don't feel that type of conflict are either young, new to the atheist clique, or are simply blind to themself. If not having huger, worse issues.

No idea you were chopin

**Yup**

Sorry, should I have not?

Yeah, sorry. I will change my name back after I resolve this crisis.

Ah.

But you get what I'm saying. It is your basic nature, fren. We all work like that, and it ain't nothing wrong with it unless you see the pursuit of a 'truth' cooked up by subjective brains as being better then everything.

As well, it's the hard heartedness that is holding the faith back from becoming your fact. You have to be ready to embrace Jesus Christ for him to truly show Himself to you in any way really. You have to be able to make the first step.

Marxism is killing me. I tried to hide in Anarchist thought, but Egoism is still materialistic at its core. I can't do this. I lost interest in leftist politics because it was killing me. Now I know why.

Yeah, I'm not sure I'm ready for the fullbit just yet.

It has been traumatic just to recognise this inner conflict.

We're such complex creatures, and so squishy. It's sad in it's own way, isn't it? To the point where someone can just look into your eyes and see all the pain and emotional tiredness.

I Googled 'how to achieve eternal life' and this is what the zeitgeist delievered: https://carm.org/what-must-i-do-to-obtain-eternal-life

A Christian result.

@Anglican it then makes sense to have an ideal idea of a human to strive for, like christ

@Timo))) Of course, but that's logic. Not just raw human want.

The west is sick in part because they're so non religious imo

The west sick is because modern man has died.

*I shall hold a gun to the head of modern man. Not to end him, but to bring him back to life.*

Yandex (search engine) results were much more secular.

We're sick because modern man created a framework that was perfect at the time. Leading to so much progress and step after step toward glory.

But eventually, he disappeared. And the system has began to rot. With no restraint, it only gets worse.

We're fuck boys; *dark skies by night and red, blinding sky by morn*

He really looks like he's been crying.

Or he's been smokin' the devil's lettuce too much

Is this you truly renouncing Marxism?

Or are you just playing another game? For your entertainment and a way to waste a time out in a world that is killing you?

Probably. Trying to tell myself. Not sure how.

Well, it's hard to escape things.

If I ever said it was just for my entertainment, it's because I was trying to make light of things, try to hide my real concerns.

Especially such an abusive relationship.

Sounds like the entire truth to be entirely honest.

You're just a human Chopin, a man tortured by the world. Seagulls swooping at you again and again and again. I'm sure a lot of this was some time of cooping with the pain. With all of that, I'm sorry.

It's sometimes hard to navigate on the internet where emotional vulnerability is not welcome.

Welcome to modern liberal internet.

Because its fine to *hate*, *bully*, *push*, and *stab* here.

If it's for the lols of course.

It comes from a place of pain and insecurity though. Sometimes I am happy to eat some insults if the person on the other ends gets some satisfaction. But it is like given a drug addict another hit. Not wise, but I can sympathise when people lash out and create personas for themselves on the internet so that they never have to be hurt again.

The reality of that is just numbing.

For myself, it's all this attempt to get people to treat me fairly and like the sibling I hold them as.

I fucking hide so much for that fact, I know you're just opening up now. But I'll take whatever you've got to throw at me.

I'll roll with it, if I can get that beautiful spark from you. It's the reason why places like /pol/ and IronMarch fail me. They're just hateful and aggressive.

That is they're nature, and I am a soft spirit searching for my place in a collective I can trust with my weak body and my aching, feaverish mind. Others I have to refuse because they're just wrong in o so many ways.

**Shrug**

You get it, I'm just rambling.

Sorry if none of it makes sense too, my everything is numb .

Shut up everyone

Yeah, I get it. It's genuinely brave to admit.

Guess what day it is

It starts with n and ends with n 👌 👌 👌

Fuck yourself.

No one cares about your stupid memes.

**A n y m o r e**

Thanks for the chat. I need to go wash away the spectre that's been haunting me.

@Anglican shut the fuck up cunt

@Deleted User Good

See you later, God bless.

Bye.

@Valtiel Shut up you dirty fuck.

@Anglican I said shut up

:)

I don't care, just shut up. I'm going to give you a vaccum to shit post before you burn out.

@Anglican a what?

Gas the normies, autism war now

I accept your autism. At least you're honest.

Muscle only makes you lift heavier. It doesn't make you a better fighter

@Sn0w ☭ ❄#4209 But he slapped my m o p

Terror management theory.

"But I don’t think one can be a hero in any really elevating sense without some transcendental referent like being a hero for God, or for the creative powers of the universe. The most exalted type of heroism involves feeling that one has lived to some purpose that transcends oneself. This is why religion gives him the validation that nothing else gives him. … When you finally break through your character armor and discover your vulnerability, it becomes impossible to live without massive anxiety unless you find a new power source. And this is where the idea of God comes in (Keen 1974)."

http://ernestbecker.org/resources/terror-management-theory/

Power source activate.

*Ernest Becker (September 27, 1924 – March 6, 1974) was an American cultural anthropologist and interdisciplinary thinker and writer. He wrote several books on human motivation and behavior, most notably the 1974 Pulitzer Prize-winning work, The Denial of Death. In it, he argues that “the basic motivation for human behavior is our biological need to control our basic anxiety, to deny the terror of death.” (Keen 1973). Becker suggested that a significant function of culture is to provide successful ways to engage in death denial.*

http://www.sicotests.com/psyarticle.asp?id=74

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the child porn poster deleted his messages before they could be investigated

rip

*After individuals contemplate their own mortality, they attempt to connect themselves with an enduring entity, conferring a symbolic form of immortality. Alternatively, to override existential anxiety, individuals are more inclined to assume that some facet of themselves, perhaps their soul, is immortal. They do, for example, become more inclined to believe in an afterlife (Dechesne et al., 2006).*

*The most obvious examples of how worldviews provide the basis for terror management are religious worldviews such as Christianity and Islam, in which one’s earthly purpose is to serve one’s deity, after which those who have been true to the teachings of the deity will be rewarded with eternal life. Indeed, a spiritual dimension and concept of eternal soul had been central to all known cultures until the rise of science-based secular worldviews in the 19th and 20th centuries. These forms of literal immortality (or death transcendence) are supplemented by symbolic modes of immortality offered by secular components of culture. Symbolic immortality can be achieved in modern society through identification with collectives and causes that transcend individual death, such as one’s nation; it can also be achieved through offspring, inheritances, memorials, and many forms of cultural achievement in the arts and sciences (novels, paintings, sculptures, discoveries, etc.). Thus, as a result of the socialization process, people everywhere live out their lives ensconced within a culturally derived orderly and meaningful construal of reality in which they strive to be significant beings qualified for transcendence of death through an eternal soul and/or permanent contributions to the world.*

Hi

I just realize today wasn't 9/11 lmao

Goddamn I've must have been drunk last night

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QX1SojKfgNI

the left is gay lol

wtf im a right winger now

wtf I love /pol/ now

@Apophis but there's many people here who can testify.

If CIA can't do anything about that we have to go with KGB

<:legacyBlobLeftMuscle:351821604466065409> KGB <:legacyBlobRightMuscle:351821502770839552>

My United Soviet Server Republic https://discord.gg/A3bZyX9

https://youtu.be/Uajnp-DrP3s

🅱roletariat

I'm a Duginist, do I belong here now?

@Православие can't say fascist are welcome.

So many ists and isms

@Firefly#9983 I'm not fascist, I don't like fascism or natsoc

@Firefly

@Православие 4th position is 3rd position.

That's autistic, 4th position is somewhat related to 3rd position but it's not 3rd position

What is the difference?

It's equally related to Marxism

It's not attached to the left or right wing, it's largely syncretic in respect to economics, it's against liberalism/post liberalism. Fascism or 3rd position is masquerading as being syncretic while still being right wing.

Wtf are you guys talking about.

4th political theory/Duginism

@Православие I think 4th position is masquerading as well.

Care to explain?

Explain how it is similar to fascism?

I'd rather hear your opinion on the matter.

Well, both fascism and duginism claims to be syncretic. .

This is similar

🤔

Fascism was openly corporatist

@Православие now most fascist don't care about it.

I don't think most fascists have a grasp on what they're even preaching

So I agree that they don't care about it

@Православие The main difference is that one have grasp and another don't?

@Православие is 4th position more advanced form of fascism?

With better people?

@Firefly#9983 I wouldn't say it's a more advanced fascism. It's essential taking the two ideologies (communism and fascism) which combatted liberalism/capitalism/globalism/Western imperialism or whatever you want to call it in the 20th century and fusing them or taking the pieces of their ideologies which worked and expanding upon them. The main goal of 4th position is to oppose post-liberalism, which is the current state of 20th century liberalism-capitalism-Atlanticist imperialism, and end the unipolar world domination of the West. From a geopolitical perspective, the end goal of 4PT is every culture or civilization in the world basically being in charge of its own affairs.

@Firefly#9983

@Православие wasn't fascism a western imperialism?

Yes

I mean for the most part it was western countries fighting each other, but it's expansion into Eurasia I would consider Western imperialism

So 4th position is a combination of a western imperialism(fascism) with anti-imperialism(communism) ?

Мне пора. Хотелось бы побольше узнать о вашей позиции в будущем.

Fascism is manipulated based on the nation which is implementing it to fit within its respective cultural traditions, what nations like America and Britain exported to the world was basically "be like us and kill your inferior culture!" While countries were exploited by their fascist conquerors, countries which actually implemented fascism weren't having to get rid of their traditions to do it and in many cases it was part of a national rebirth.

Talk later @Firefly#9983

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@Deleted User Lmao nice Xavier Renegade Angel reference

@Anglican Is that Bahai symbol?

feckin porky

Yep

I hope those ifunny marks are added ironically

You wish haha

Lmao

Hey

Fuck me this place is dead :C

tankies in a nutshell

*... after their mortality is highlighted, individuals feel the need to experience a sense of certain or clarity about their worldviews-the values and purpose in society. These worldviews stipulate the standards that are valued by society. If these standards are fulfilled, individuals feel their achievements will be cherished by society, instilling a sense of permanence. Accordingly, these worldviews imbue life with a sense of meaning and purpose.*

*Alternatively, to override existential anxiety, individuals are more inclined to assume that some facet of themselves, perhaps their soul, is immortal. They do, for example, become more inclined to believe in an afterlife (Dechesne et al., 2006).*

*Many researchers maintain that a variety of religious tenets, such as the belief in an afterlife, represent defense mechanisms, intended to curb existential anxiety (Norenzayan & Hansen, 2006).*

Tito is the best

*Becker describes human pursuit of “immortality projects” (or causa sui), in which an we create or become part of something that we feel will outlast our time on earth. In doing so, we feel that we become heroic and part of something eternal that will never die, compared to the physical body that will eventually die. This gives human beings the belief that our lives have meaning, purpose, and significance in the grand scheme of things.*

*Still, for Becker, the only suitable source of meaning is transcendent, cosmic energy, divine purpose:

"But I don’t think one can be a hero in any really elevating sense without some transcendental referent like being a hero for God, or for the creative powers of the universe. The most exalted type of heroism involves feeling that one has lived to some purpose that transcends oneself. This is why religion gives him the validation that nothing else gives him. … When you finally break through your character armor and discover your vulnerability, it becomes impossible to live without massive anxiety unless you find a new power source. And this is where the idea of God comes in (Keen 1974)."*