not really.

everything will be a special case in its own unique way if you go that route.

because it was pretty limited in its importance before the 1950's and 60's when it was used as an anti-school integration symbol

ok well if you wanna wholeheartedly defend a symbol coddled to represent white supremacy that's your call. there's plenty of southern symbols and points of national pride that aren't specifically designed to represent rejection of integrated academia

I said ''I'm certainly not a southerner, nor am I defending their culture. But that is how culture and history gets destroyed."

I was just using it as a relevant, modern example, of how culture gets destroyed.

Since you seem to deny that

if you rehabilitate a cultural artifact to make a contemporary political statement then that artifact has grounds to be destroyed

that's how it works

says who?

that's how society has tended in most cases I can think of

the swastika was left alone until hitler used it

sounds like a pretty spooky belief to me

I suggest you think that one out.

no whats spooky is thinking that shitting on a political symbol is literally cultural erasure

"shitting on"?

it's banned, they are removing statues of slave owners.

its not banned you dumb cunt, they literally fly it everywhere

of course anderson cooper was supported by slavery inheritance, but they don't seem to care about that.

http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/news/a35912/confederate-flag-banned/

banning the sale of the symbol is a lighter form of an outright ban, sure. but it has the same effect in the long term.

if it's illegal to sell, then producers will not make them. then they dwindle away

yeah again this really is just not even close to the cultural erasure you're pretending it is

the flag was barely in use after the civil war anyway until it became a symbol of pro-segregation and anti-integration

okay yeah the confederate flag has absolutely nothing to do with culture, you're right. it actually has much more to do with space aliens and gardening.

no it actually has to do with opposition to school integration

are you retarded?

I'm not making this up

google it

that's what YOU want to make it about. it's a symbol, which means it's open for interpretation. but what isn't debatable is that it's a symbol of a culture.

what do you think the swastika is a symbol of (hitler's swastika)?

no

its actually what the south wanted to make it about

because they flew it at george wallace rallies, ant-integration rallies, etc

and your avatar is a communist flag being hoisted after conquering and murdering the germans ???? is that what communism is about?

hammer and sickle was around and was/has been used by communist groups around the world

the soviet union was one of them

the confederate flag is actually used all around the world, believe it or not.

that's not the same as taking an old cultural artifact and rehabilitating it in the shape of your ideology

you seem to have some very different standards for "things you like" versus "things you don't like"

violence is okay if my side does it!

symbols linked to genocide are okay as long as they're my side's symbols!

the hammer and sickle was created and used for all of its entire existence to stand for worker/peasant solidarity and the overthrow of capitalism

the rebel flag was originally created as a flag for the southern army, then was later made into a symbol of anti-integration

LOL

and the swastika had a more peaceful original meaning as well!

you're proving my point.

How many of you care about the Seth Rich assassination and ensuing investigation?

the swastika is literally still used in eastern religion

lol Seth Green

Seth Rich, and no not really.

Wait

Did I seriously just call him Seth Green

(edited)

lol

I must be developing dyslexia or something

Anyway this shit's pretty big because it could be connected to a whole slew of criminal activity. Carried out by organizations that may or may not be corporate in nature.

Just a counter distraction. Like the Russia ties are a distraction. Imo

This is nothing of the sort my friend. And if it is it was a bad idea on their part.

I don't think the DNC would be so sloppy with their hits

It wasn't a sloppy hit at all

No murderer, death was written off, public doesn't care

no murderer = sloppy. they need to have a fall guy.

People on the chinz and elsewhere caring and investigating is an anomaly that even right now could be ignored as nothing special/detrimental

That is true in a way I suppose

if it hasn't been "solved" yet I don't think it will be.

Lack of a patsy is strange but not that strange considering the current prevailing hypothesis that they used a homeless dude to kill the man

Yeah there's a huge lack of resources. A bunch of dudes on the internet can't paint a fine enough picture unless something really lucky happens

Anyway reason I brought it up is because some random dude suggested DC Gen Hospital (closed since 2001, used as homeless shelter) is related to Seth Rich. could possibly be related to OTHER criminal groups/activities like contraband traffickers, possibly HUMAN traffickers

Assuming said criminal activities are even happening

even if it were true, it could lead to unimaginable consequences. Authority figures will likely decide it's best to never tell us. The fact that Trump won means they will keep silent. Maybe if he lost they would spill the beans...

But if they impeach Trump I expect a lot of shit to hit the fan. That's also why I think the Russia shit is just a distraction. There's no fucking way they're going to impeach him. Would lead to civil war -- everyone knows this (in the media)

Well, maybe not a "distraction" exactly, but something to keep the retards occupied and keep their numbers up.

We are living in interesting times man

Trump is literally the least liked US president in US history

and I can't name more than a couple politicians who like him

if anything, he's the most ripe president for impeachment when it comes

Pence will be president afterwards, anyways

Americans are too apathetic to cause too much trouble if Trump is impeached

the most you'll see would be some protests

and whining

and Putin would claim corruption

that's about it

I do not know where you got your civil idea from

your only excuse would be that you were being romantic

otherwise, you know nothing about America

@Deleted User

Hopefully no one at all listens to socialists after the end of this year.

we working on it

Hello https://youtu.be/MRFDnfCPzpU

@sabutai "Trump is literally the least liked US president in US history" - according to what, POLLS? LOL

If you still treat MSM polls with ANY respect after this election, you absolutely deserve to be on the cutting board for experimental brain transplant surgery.

Hi

Hello

Actually Trump is rather liked in America, though his voters are beginning to se him for what he is.

@Arkras 4D CHESS REEEEE

yeah Trump is still very popular among his own voter base, but when he eventually fails to do them any good, I imagine that they'll turn on him.

well, it had only been 4 months and he had seemingly been fucking shit up

ive asked a person who wore a trump shirt and asked him if he still liked trump, and he said its one of his biggest regrets

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@petit bourgeois that led me to wonder

did the same thing happen while Obama was in office

or rather, was it on the same scale

@Иосиф Сталин#7772 what u mean comrade?

untapped class consciousness maybe

Is he dare i say /ourguy/? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ocm8QdNR_d8

i don't know

is Robin Hood /ourguy/

>Not wanting to kill the last imperial Russia royal

whatr are you? a capitalist?

would that not make me a monarcuck instead of a cappie ?

They are the same thing tbh

Robin himself was pretty anti-feudalist tbh

the fucking cartoons Disney made watered his shit down

Well ya gotta disguise so the parents don't see the ebil gommunism

@Arkras Trump supporters support Trump's going against his campaign promises by saying he has some sort of intricate scheme aka 4d chess as in how he's playing the game

That's just sad and dumb...

I only expect Zionists and libertarians to support Trump knowing what he's done really

Yeah I just think America has become extremly stupid lately.

It's always been really

Yeah The USA is just a really stupid country, and they should not be the worlds only superpower.

⅝






Only as in they basically own the rest

I don't understand what you mean...

You say the only superpower

Yes?

I just don't understand you mean with "⅝






Only as in they basically own the rest"

The space and ⅝ I accidentally typed

Ahh okay...

Sorry.

@Deleted User I'm surprised an American hasn't taken the time to look at the numerous polls taken by various political leaning groups http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/trump-job-approval

Actually I'm not surprised

Main Stream Media is always accurate to an extent

and in this case, there is consistency

even among lesser known media groups, there is consistency

I hope you know how to read that graph btw

@Deleted User

Only superpower as in they essentially own most of the world in some way? @Arkras

Well, the US can project military force at levels much higher than other countries if they wanted to

and the US basically controls the seas

the navy has their own air force that's more powerful than the air forces of other countries

I mean through nato

And it's influence in the U.N.

No it is in how big US army is, and the economy of the US is.

They have both the largest Army and Economy in the world

Is this the digital subversion center of humanism?

gommunism :DDD

communism = naturalism = humanism (MEW 40, 535) 😉

@Mysti speak some form of English please

Marx wrote: “... communism, as fully developed naturalism, equals humanism, and as fully developed humanism equals naturalism"

I mean the MEW 40, 535 part

its the source of the quote

This is my thing

Link please

Nevermind

This test felt biased

yuck

Where can I do this test?

8values.github.io

It says it in the corner

:P that's me

I didn't really like the test tho

Nor did i

Yours is so much more extreme than mine

I am so in the middle

Don't get self conscious and become politically anorexic

Hahahah ah. This thing is broken af

Tradition and progress aren't oppositional

Equality and markets aren't oppositional

I'd rape your countries for funsies.

Сайн уу

@Sorghagtani Beki Хорошая попытка, но нет.

@Shelly Sholly ?

^

https://youtu.be/d4eqettF5qI

oi

hello. whats up?

hello

MOSCOW DEATH BRIGADE IS GOD

https://discord.gg/NDRmgx i've got a link to a /pol/ discord, spam it

hello commies how are you guys doing

oh hey sup

you know

leftypol > /r/socialism

tbh

Yeah but that isn't hard.

Social democracy is an instrument of imperialism. Discuss.

Democracy devolves into mob rule if not taken over

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/213151250865192961/317858943374196736/image.jpg

hek

uh-oh

i just dont think democracy can function well on its own ; ((

are you like a market socialist or something

how did you get this

i

i just

i think its important to preserve our own nation and culture

and i feel like the average person is

yknow

a fucking idiot

right

so statistically, 50% of people are even less intelligent than the average person

there needs to be a strong state to control the masses, because the masses cant control themselves

i feel like the "people are stupid" argument is overhyped

like yes they are but in a society without capitalist sensationalist media and social access to MoP (aka just more class consciousness) people will actually vote like rational actors

so an authoritarian state will be unecessary

im just pessimistic, i guess

that being said I do think the state should take some measures that might be percieved as "cracking down on free speech"

and an authoritarian state WOULD be at least temporarily necessary for a transition away from capitalism

like shutting down partisan media outlets, jailing/executing bourgies

yeah well that I agree with

it just has to be radically democratic within the party

meh

i feel like there just needs to be a strong party leader to uh

oversee the transition, i guess

and a democratic system could get in the way of revolution

yknow

democracy is necessary though, or else it jsut turns into the ussr with a bunch of bureaucracy and inefficient enterprises

What determines the value of labor?

Muh feelings

@Onlyinmizzou
People aren't stupid they are lazy. They choose to not bother and to not learn.

also
"like shutting down partisan media outlets, jailing/executing bourgies
yeah well that I agree with
it just has to be radically democratic within the party"
Wow stop being such a National Socialist!!!!! What are you HITLER?

afaik hitler never advocated for party democracy or democratic centralism

Overthrow the reactionary traitor Orlov!

<@318001168393568258> hello

https://youtu.be/wEI_Cd8azBY

https://youtu.be/n0e5oZ2WoLA

Like in a previous raid you can't talk. Just uploading funny pictures.

Go to chat

now

voice chat

yes dude

Gore if not educational or news is restricted.

We're waiting you in Soros SJW voice