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I mean specifically in relation to religiousity

tbh i don't really even care if religion exists or not, just the expelling of organized institutions that promote capitalistic and imperial interests

Only 24% of Cubans identify as non-religious.

what garlic proposed though would be that socialism would make people educated to the point where the worker abandons it

yeah there you go basically

its not really correliated imo

But education can only go so far, which is the flaw in Garlic's supposition. Without increasing the IQ of the population, religion and superstition will continue.

@petit bourgeois even Castro is too religious

ye

*pure communism*

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greetings comrades

nice romanian fash shield

oy vey

How does _pure communism_ deal with superstitious institutions which undermine class consciousness where low-IQ and statistically drawn to these patterns?

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i said pure communism as a joke

communism has never been tried

but socialism is supposed to educate them first

i think some tribes practiced it without socialism

You fellas for free speech?

somewhat

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Just want a civil conversation going

@iron Welcome to /leftypol/ comrade.

I just want serious discussion

Where is serious discussions

I'd like to know why you support socialism. Not patronising, I'd like an insight on what makes you believe in it

Let's assume that each individual has reached their educational potential, and yet still press intuitive thinking over analytical. What is the move now?

examples in practice

@Ulstèr-Scotch Nature of Logic and Capital.

@Ulstèr-Scotch we need to be equal brah know what Im sayin'

Could you elaborate more?

Leftism is not a mental illness I swear

well i believe socialism is really the only way out right now

from ecological and economical catastrophy

that is brought by capitalism

@Ulstèr-Scotch do you like to study dialectics from Nature of Logic?

So you believe socialism is a good economic model?

ye

are you being triggered by right winter

I somewhat do @Firefly

But anyhow, can you convince me of a socialistic economy?

Why are all leftists subservient to muslims?

are you monarchist btw

I am yes

Isn't there a main lefty/pol/ server? I got kicked out after 2 months after they figured out my avatar

@iron it got deleted i think

**Monarchy > Democracy**

But I'm not going to immediately devalue your opinion

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1) The law of unity and the fight between contradictions

hello friends

SMASH FASCISM

a socialist economy provides elimination of greed

is this the commie discord?

2) The law of quantity turning into quality

But does socialism not attract greed?

national socialism is the best socialiasm

Venezuela an example

it gives the product to the worker and insentive to work

Same as the USSR

why this right winter is not in gulag yet

venezula is 60 percent privatized

3) The law of negation of the negation

@Ulstèr-Scotch Here were 3 laws of dialectics

Leftists choose not to have children because they'd be white

I believe the market and the worker both deserve to be free

as do we

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@Garlic the Soviet Its a free channel.

workers deserve to earn the product of their labour and equally distribute it to the masses

From an economic stand point, people should be able to persue their business goals

no freedom withoug gulags

in socialism people can still get far through labour if they are hardworking

karl zedong stalin said this 100 years ago

Why should the state force the worker to distribute their produce?

@Garlic the Soviet That is true. You can always establish gulag in the theory section.

WE WAS KANGS 'FO THEM RIGHT-WINGERS FUCKED US UP

Is that not violating the freedom of the worker?

because if you horde the produce then you're just going to have excess

which why would you want that

Excess you can sell

Is a man not entitled to the sweat of his brow?

If you sell at a high price, people will look to cheaper options, eliminating your profits

This is leftism.

So people are forced to sell their goods at a lower cost

@.... libertarian got triggered by the incoming Fascists

Selling what you make isn't greed

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Careful

Nah, I'm on his side. 😈

"masculinity is oppressive" This is leftism.

so this channel basically becomes trollfest

Could make a lot more sense by sticking National infront of your ideology

SMASH FASCISM

Well, it's essentially a melting pot of all different ideologies.

@.... that is why we have to be careful. Every libertarian is a future Fascist.

free market libertarian - definitely

I'm not trolling, I'd like to discuss with you without a motion of hostility

This is leftism.

Making you a political commissart

@Firefly
It depends.

@Ulstèr-Scotch in socialism if you were to horde it and sell it it would be considered greed because its not helping the market

that's collectivization

But is selling your produce really greed?

If you work hard to produce a product and sell it, is it greed?

@petit bourgeois

This is leftism.

i think this is pretty much spamming now

This is leftism.

but whatever

yeah its getting hard

@@Garlic the Soviet
This is pretty much what larger servers are like.

i'm tryin to explain here

i ll just mute this channel

I'm trying to listen as well

Please go on sir

This is leftism. Zhe's a famous left-wing muslim activist in Sweden.

so wages in socialism aren't an insentive anymore in a socialist econ

This is leftism.

Who let in all the spammers?!

wages are elimated basically

because the workers own means

This is leftism.

This is leftism.

@checkers
Uh, you're not helping this chat.

the produce is given to the market or the state in which it goes through economic syndicates

just go to <#308995540782284817>

It's your role to shut up and listen as I speak.

Ah, so you are a syndicalist

well im marxist leninist

i think the state should have distirubtion of the goods

ration them and shit

Leftism is 100% identity politics. If you disagree you're a wicked white male.

But would that not cause mass starvation in cases of greed in government?

socialism is a very complex idealogy

Identity politics is not complex

nahnah

the state is a product of the dictatorship of the proliteriat

basically the state is the worker and works for the benefit of the worker

Of course it's complex. So complex in fact, you get the Economic Calculation Problem. 👌😂

Socialism is identity politics, the praxis of socialism is screaming FUCK HETEROSEXUAL CIS WHITE MALES while chimping out

@Ulstèr-Scotch Did you read the laws? Nature of Logic? Capital?

So, I'd like to ask, in all attempts of a socialist state, why have they always failed?

@.... thats in capitalism not socialism

Sorry firefly, I'm talking to this man first

they have failed based on revisionist policies

Capitalism is freedom, socialism is just a fancy word for antiwhite racism

Soviet union, China, Vietnam

anti-marxist redirections

This is leftism.

Infact, China has gotten better because of State Capitalism

soviet union had khruschev and gorbacheav

Also Stalin

china is an ecological nightmrae

but capitalism has its booms and busts

I agree, China needs to put regulation on its enviromental pollution

lol

This is leftism.

@petit bourgeois
Capitalism decentralizes all economic calculations to the most local and individualized level. This is essentially what the price system was for to begin with, where resource allocation is indirectly controlled through private ownership and trade, which leads to what is known as spontaneous order. Another term for this is Adam Smith's Invisible Hand.

Leftism successfully completed on a child.

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The federal reserve I believe is a criminal Institution

you mean supply and demand?

This fucking faggot

Many leftists chop off and eat their own balls as statement against "right-wing patriarchal conspiracy"

@petit bourgeois
Supply and demand is one of the dynamics carried out in the market in regards to the rate of trade and production, since all decisions are ultimately voluntary.

holy fuck thats distrubing

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That's leftism for you

So, why in all attempts however has socialism failed?

yeah thats adam smiff

/communism

Sandwich racist? Yes that's also leftism.

revisionism from marxism

also imperialist forces

the USSR until after stalin was good, communist china under mao was good

In leftism, all white babies are racist and evil

East Germany, Libya, Cuba

Killing millions was not good

Mao was a murderer

i can link you some videos

Seeing sexism in everything is leftism.

It's Authoritarian Left

https://youtu.be/feRXFvdzCFs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5e8CXWEAf-w&t=241s

But Mao killed millions?

How was he good?

70 million people is a lot of people

millions had died due to 2 natural faminies

and japan

Leftism is against science. Look up lysenkoism for a classic case. It's HILARIOUS own goal material

45 million-70 million

My mistake

people like to chalk it up to mao's "magic weather powers"

but watch the videos they're informative on the matter

Leftism says girl and boy are part of approximately 80 genders

But did Mao implement the correct economic reforms to stop it?

they can say more than i could ever

i'd say so

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he tried to provide as much relief as possible

All SJWs are diehard leftist ideologues. Leftism is 100% identity politics and intersectionalism.

So, not trying to incite an argument here, but would you consider yourselves feminists?

we consider ourselves egalitarians

meaning

I know what it means

yeah lol

Both genders equal

third wave feminism is absolute cancer and neo-liberal cancer

Do you think they're more than two genders?

biologically there is only 2

All cuckolds are leftist. They often run articles in Salon etc bemoaning the meanie right-wingers for using cuckold as a slur. Cuckolding is a beautiful thing in leftism, it proves you're a committed comrade.

So much IdPol crap here. @checkers , right-wingers like you and SJW both belong to the identity spectrum, and are thus equally annoying.

get em tenta

I don't have an ideology, I'm just anti-left (identity politics, intersectionalism)

Right-wingers like you talk about SJW crap all day.

As are we in here.

But do you believe that separated from biological standpoints there are more than two genders?

Yes, leftists believe in 80 genders

no gender is not a social construct, it is based on biology

Who cares? We here believe in class struggle, not in IdPol.

there is a boy a girl, then people who want to transition between the 2

@checkers You are telling lefties what they believe in, yes?

I see

Actually, as a leftist you believe in all intersectional causes. if you refuse to believe even just one of their causes you are a FASCIST. Ask theM!

/pol/ doesn't agree with my ideology too much either

Bla bla

It's either conservative or national socialism for them

You are either a committed SJW or you're a fascist. End of discussion.'

understandable

Not too many monarchists like myself

are you a traditionalist?

I am

most monarchists are

It's a very core tenant

but ive met some weirdos out there

There are 80 genders. Sit on a dick, you'll like it. - Science man Bill Nye

But I am for fair treatment and equal opportunity for all

@checkers , why don’t you join Tumblr and talk there about this all day.

Freedom for people

ah so you're a constitutional monarchist

I get banned, tenta

with libertarian values