and most of these killings aren't by antifa lmao

you cant label something as a terrorist organization if they arent the ones doing it

That is pretty much how it goes, they don't declare a rebellion yet they kill people.

if you read Karl Lenin, you will see that revolution can only be achieved through 420 bajillion killings

Yet they all have a similar agenda, which is to overthrow the state.

>overthrowing the state
> 😩

>Tfw You try to overthrow the state but it requires leaders and organization to do so making the end goal of your movement invalid

congrats

you just described CNT FAI

@Deleted User You know some lefties are authoritarian. Right?

Authoritarian commies? I thought they were labeled as untrue and contradictory towards lenin and marx....

@Firefly he's refering to me i think

im a Libsoc

(Then again so was stalin)

@ent >Libertarian >Socialist
That does not blend, at all.

@Deleted User Luxemburg, Deleonism, Anarcho-Syndicalism, Etc. is libsoc

the anarchists use a diffrent definition of state

to them a government isnt a state

how is luxembourg libsoc

any Hierarchy is state

@Deleted User labeling is a right-wing propaganda. Communist studies and looks for evidence and logical data. Labeling tactics are all right-wing.

any hierarchial instituion is state, im pretty shit at explaining it @Luxy can do better

I cant be arsed to

CNT were hardly following anarchism though

they were pretty authoritarian and much more like the Bolsheviks in the Russian revolution

anarchism can hardly be followed at all

tbh

@ent Luxemburg, so one city surrounded by farm land, pretty much anything can work there, though for an actual country, it is contradictory since libertarianism, usually means larger amounts of rights and less taxation, as well as less restrictions on biunesses, while with socialism, there are higher taxes, more restriction on private property and bisuness.

and CNT is a bright example

the internationalist Brigades were effectively a vanguard

@Deleted User wtf no nibba what

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luxemburgism

Rosa Luxemgurg is pretty good. I would recomend reading her stuff

@Luxy Vanguard without a theory is just a noise.

Also why the fuck do you have TTS enabled?

i like how dangerlurking thought i was talking about the country luxemburg

thats p great

@ent he knows less than John Snow

@ent You did not clarify whether or not it was the person or the city.

i literally listed it among ideologies

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Hola

@Deleted User como estas?

No

I don't hablo

I'm just learning too ^__^

I mostly just live near spanish speakers

@Deleted User San Diego, Texas?

Oklahoma

Lol,

I'm from San-Francisco.

The Mexican demographic alone here outnumbers the blacks that's not even including other spanish speaking countries

I imagine it's similar in California

@Deleted User Every day I can hear more Spanish and less English ^___^

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Hindu is popular too

Is this popular?

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@SUPPERP1G Whats going on?

@Firefly nothing much. Feeling pretty Dank right now. Hbu?

@SUPPERP1G I'm eating medical chocolates and doing some communist propaganda.

Feels good

@Firefly Communist propaganda? I'm concerned.

@SUPPERP1G no worries. We are an authoritarian dictatorship.

@SUPPERP1G No SJW stuff here.

Got kicked out from Unsensored Politics

@everyone

I guess it isnt that unsensored then is it :^)

Crazy. And its me who is authoritarian.

And censorship shills are crazy on head

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@Firefly , did you deliberately make the names of new people joining invisible for ordinary members? Whenever I see someone join, I just see "Welcome to /leftypol/ a low-moderation channel. Feel yourself free here." which makes it impossible to greet them and make them feel welcome.

I give them personal attention. When I can.

But maybe bot can do a better job?

Not yet

Maybe in 5 years, yes? -)))

or ten.

@Tenta your German channel may have anything including bots.

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@Firefly , have you thought about joining Goodreads? There’s even a young leftypol group that we can use to talk about books about theory and those of general interest.

why do soviets have posters of gay men and women but have had homosexuality outlawed in the country

@Tenta now I do think about it.

@petit bourgeois because of historical reasons.

yeah i get homosexuality was a product of the times but the posters contridict it

@petit bourgeois it contradicts what?

the outlaw of homosexuality

@petit bourgeois didn't you study Hegel and Marx? Everything is a subject to change

yes i did

what does that have to do with homsexual propaganda then the outlaw of homosexuality lol

was the posters at a period after stalin?

@petit bourgeois It has to do with our authoritarian propaganda. One authoritarian bannes homosexuality another authoritarian allows it.

The poster is newly made

recent

so like after the 50's

when homosexuality was more decriminalized

right

@petit bourgeois more like now

Now its even more decriminalized

oh so those were not even during the soviet union

wait nonon

Its current poster

okok

gotcha

Did I say I live in San-Francisco?

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What is your opinion and response to Islam?

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i think most communists agree that religion is cancer

@Deleted User Islam has to go. All Judeo-Christian-Islam tradition has to be erased.

people can still have their individual spiritual beliefs though

Interesting. How will this be achieved?

Uphold Judaism-Christianism-Islamism with buddhaist characteristics

organized religion needs to go

religion should wither away, imo

in socialism

but generally this is usually achieved through state atheism i think

its not achieved through state atheism

if you will opress people for being religious you will only sabotage the revolution

you will turn people against you

yeah i don't like state atheism

@Garlic the Soviet Hoxha was very successful eradicating Islam .

@Garlic the Soviet Much better work than in Soviet Union

it is achieved by teaching the masses

i dont support any supression unless its reactionary

@petit bourgeois Islam is reactionary

debateable

i think the organized practice of islam is maybe

a lot of western reformists have their own forms of islam

islamic feminists and what not

religion is dogmatic and idealist, which is reactionary

the question is how much

thats a good point

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but you cant just make everyone athiest by prohibiting the religion

yeah that backfired in the USSR

just like you cant "prohibit" the state

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religion should wither away in socialism as with good education people will realize more and more that religion is wrong

this is the only way

I would be interested in hearing why you think people will abandon religion, since is co-evolved with humanity and presented a very novel departure historically speaking.

presents*

religion was basically a moral guideline to follow in ancient times

i am surprised you are asking this question

lets just say that

we've evolved to the point where we can create our own morals

in socialism everyone is a worker who has a lot of education

and if you are educated on how world works

you kind of realize that religion is wrong

but when you are illiterate peasant

barely surviving

on a piece of land

you are obviously going to let religion evolve

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most people who still believe in religion in the west now are socially conservative or traditionalist

same with proletarians who worked like 12 hours per day and were massively illiterate and extremely uneducated

right now the only role that religion is plays is fooling people

its literally just a fooling instrument in hands of bourgeois governments

in other words

for at least last several centuries religion evolved as an instrument of opression and fooling

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of the ruling exploitator class

where is it going to evolve

when there is no ruling class

>when you see drumpfkins crying

it will evolve in the same direction where state will evolve

it will disappear

Beware we got some right-wingers in here

gulag, where

So basically you are inferring that as secular education increases and society gets emancipation from class exploitation, people will become less religious?

inevitably

people already get more and more atheist

everywhere

even without socialism

@Deleted User I'm against theism in general. But education is a primary way to fix the problem.

12 years old study

Here's one from 2016 http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/11/04/the-most-and-least-educated-u-s-religious-groups/

Hmmm, there has been a significant increase in educated percentage of atheists over time.

But without any other information it is hard to speculate on context. I will grand your theory as plausible but not confirmed.

Thanks for your responces.

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why is this welcome thing

spamming

New people are incoming

Hitler did nothing wrong.

is is /pol2.0/ now

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We're staying forever my negro.

We iz captain now.

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woah

tfw /leftypol/ international is about to become /fashypol/ international 💩

They think they can convert leftypol to pol

Fascism can't be international

fascism is isolationist

unless it uses imperialism

Well it can be national on an international scale 👌

wat

other way arounf

sht

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would there even be a government

i think it would just work as a colony

You guys know that Marx was racist asf right? Sargon told me so...

Hello my fellow antiracists!

sargon says he doesn't understand communism either

AAAAAAAAA

KILL IT

dear god

IQ is highly influenced by genetic factors, and IQ correlates to non-religiousness. What does /leftypol/ propose to do to increasing genetic quality of the proletariat?

russians hacking election

we don't see identity politics only class consciousness

what happened

history?

my american history teacher said that sputnik could be used as a inert nuke to bomb the US

gotta put on those silicone hats

If the level of IQ in humanity is not increased, religion and superstition will continue.

yeah

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No amount of education can transform low-IQ patterns of thought.

how could you know that if it hasn't been tried yet

in cuba illiteracy is almost decimated