I also wish the Wobblies would come back.

And the De Leonists.

Progress is not necessarily by our own hand, if the subject of progress changes. Everything changes. And by our hand or others, the forces that move the universe from simpler things to more complicated things will always transform and develop.

I feel like your egoism is poisoning your objectivity.

Really? I think it's pretty rational egoism.

Would it be fair to assert then that what needs to be a foundation then for progressive policies is that which may move slower then other traditional issues? If the world makes exponential progress in tech that changes our relationship with the world then being 'progressive' on one issue one day will make it irrelevant the next.

I don't think so, I think we'll be able to keep up with it. We have been so far.

@AaronMk Yes! This was and still is hard for me to accept.

Egoism is never rational.

Not in the materialist sense.

Nothing wrong with being a little Chernyshevskian.

Rational egoism is literally exactly materialistic and socialistic.

Ego implies that the individual is primary.

Why is the ego necessary?

Do you enjoy being yourself?

@MrSally Yesterday - historically speaking as a metaphor - surveillance wasn't so much an issue since it was so resource heavy and complicated. You could move politics on it faster than it could move. But now the expanding limits on technology means it can keep or outpace technology, making the NSA more and more out of proportion with the Democratic powers supposedly controlling it.

I get that the subjective is a reflection of the material, and we are limited to our abilities as humans, but still I know that there is a better world just outside my reach, and my ego betrays me at every turn.

I don't think that's true.

The technical growth in manufacture is also limiting the input of man in manufacture, so a firm could simply pay a little more if the workers go back to sleep and still keep their profit.

If time is linear and moving forward, it behests us all to prepare and have strong theories about where we are headed. This implies and temporal restraint on what the ego tells us as true.

@AaronMk I'm not sure I understand your phrasing here.

@MrSally I'm on a phone so it's difficult.

That's alright.

I just have to read it a couple of times.

I'm technically on break at work so I can't get too invested either.

Mmmm

Also, don't forget the ego is not the entire subconscious. There is id and super-ego.

I do want to add that in relevance to this discussion talk of a UBI may cut off any honest revolutionary potential if the regular people get what many would consider peak Socialism: money for simply existing. Did if Zucker gets into the White House on this promise - as I heard it theorized - how do you out progressive something that'd be peak progressivism for this generation.

And now to go finish up the night.

Mmk, see ya.

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@Deleted User My friend!

My ally

@MrSally When I was talking about Ego, I was referring to individualism, not Freud.

Well the egoists kind of did their philosophy before Freud.

There was more to it than what they thought.

This is why Stirner was wrong.

Stirner actually died the year Freud was born.

When I talk about ego, I am only talking about the human psyche, not 'rational self-interest' which is never rational.

Ayn Rand was a sad, abused person who deserved a better life and probably would have been a better philosopher had she experienced more happiness.

"Rational self-interest" means someone else's worst interest could be your best. This is, of course, one of the slimiest philosophies in the history of philosophy.

It is also the cause of the modern divided politics and views on the economy in America.

One side says the philosophy of rational self-interest is slimy, the other says it is rational. Scientifically speaking, data supports the slimy view because a couple of people profit and thousands are screwed.

So there's my little digression on why I am an egoist to some level. I'm not *that kind* of egoist.

Anyways, I've gotta go to bed now. Good talking to you all, goodnight.

In my particular experience and reading, most people tend to want to help.

Gee I love waiting to finish my shit and the one piece of epuipment I need is in use.

Squat rack is overrated.

Can I get my cherry picker now?

At least this is like a third break. Just lean up against something and wait for when I need to help with a water heater.

hi..

@Deleted User Hi

any atheist here?

No

@Deleted User There are plenty.

Almost all.

One day when programmers die, they will be reincarnated into a software intelligence. Then, they will be put in a box and destoyed. Stupid programmers, only they deserve to be reincarnated to relive the idiocy of their actions. AI is the final walk of mankind to the deep pit of hell.

@Deleted User Wait, what?

Spoiler: Humanity dies in the end.

>script shitty websites with PHP for a living
>am doomed for eternity for something comletely unrelated

It doesn't matter. Any contribution you make on the internet in code form will be remembers by the future superintelligence. And it will use this information to reincarnate you and make you accountable for your crimes.

Producing anything is a crime tbh

According to the future, it is. Because you were to technological clergy of this time, and you chose those wrong pathway. You are the heretic because you did not move towards the future AI God.

@Deleted User Well I'm fucked

I know, enjoy punishment and fire. I am too stupid and will never be reborn. Intelligence is a curse.

btw, never go to Thailand

How do I roast christians?

impossible

Why?

the christians will be doing the roasting if you catch my drift

No. Christians know the best how to have a BBQ. BYO, witches and heretics provided.

they all burn the same

Mashmellow cannot discriminate fuel.

BadMouse Productions just sent me a death threat...

The comment has been deleted now... SHOCKER!

Lad the fix is quick and simle, you just need to stop being a nazi. if you did that then all your problems would vanish

imajun my surprise

he was by far the weakest in that sargon debate thingy

IMAGINE

MY

SHOCk

How do I stop being a nazi when I'm not one to begin with?

I'm already an individualist, but whatever.

rip

nigga got b&

tbh you stop being a nazi when I lie and scheme you off of the face of the internet

watch out fash

you are going to be

B A SH E D

nothing personnel

*doxxes you*

calling people Nazis is so blasé

Menzies ur a nazi

#MakePinkoAnInsultAgain

i'm not a Nazi

yeah u r

prove it

communism is the bset, most ethical, and most righteous economic system ever conceived

*proves it*

lol im trolling

but eh...yeah

it's probably not super great for society having very high economic inequality

its kind of messed up that someone here, working at the local deli, makes $11 an hour

and then someone else ,3 hours east of here, in Seattle, makes like $50 an hour, or more

I live in Washington State, so the minimum wage here is $12 an hour

er i mean, $11

it might be $12 next year

a mixed socialist-capitalist economy has proven to be the best
just depends on the mixture 😏

yeah i guess

do you live in the us to, mr alpal

a really high economic inequality means a very high chance of revolt

so a good ruler will try to avoid it as much as possible

ew no @adann62

What are some good lefty books?

when the discussion turns to good books about x subject, everybody has a different opinion on them

I like the book about memes and how we should shut down the free meme market and replace it with a centralized meme source

That way we stop people from stealing memes

))))))

http://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/134081426

>lower levels of immigration
>didn't shame the common German for Nazi Germany, instead portrayed them as victims
>maintained Prussian military traditions
>allowed the Germans to embrace Germany as long as they also embraced socialism
>Degeneracy heavily suppressed by the Stasi
>Great music and great aesthetics
Tell me again why you degenerates support the west over the east?

Well the western people didn't need to be kept in by threat of a gun

http://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/134084828
**/pol/ communism general**

@Unlap welcome, comrade!

https://youtu.be/MYLNXfiU25M

Now we know why the Soviets made so many tanks so quickly

Now we know why so many of them were rekt

good evening folks

Eyy mate.

Are fascists tolerated here

They are cooked until well done, then simmered.

Yoinks!

I'm not sure I'd be up to cooperate with cannabils.

Excellent. The Bolsheviks are turning against each other.

My plan is coming to fruition.

I'm not even a Bolshevik, mate.

Was a joke to accentuate my position as a NatSoc.

They call every communist a Bolshevik.

The thing is, I'm no communist.

@carlton™ there are anarchists and socialists and many other kinds.

I believe he knows that.

I'm a centrist. I'm just looking for educated people to debate with.

@carlton™ <#308995540782284817>

@carlton™ where did you see it?

I believe in either Uncensored Politics or a British politics server.

Could be both ^__^

Although "uncensored politics" banned me on day one.

They banned me for trolling, even though I was doing the same thing the NatSocs were doing just the opposite.

Was saying Jews were the master race by virtue of natural selection, which is why they control the world government.

Mod on duty was a NatSoc, and was ignoring equal veracity shitposting that the NatSocs were saying.

👍

Good on him.

Sounds like a right faggot.

Pretty shitty server infested with shitposting fascists.

Ignore I have Goering as my pfp

'Course.

Didn't even notice it was Goering TBH.

You wouldn't notice unless you really looked at it.

Plus it was from when he was a bit younger than the more iconic pictures you usually see.

I had figured, yeah.

WW1 days, eh?

Nah, a little bit later. Interwar period.

Maybe late 20's, I can't be sure.

Ah, I see.

If you bring Jews they space out. You need to be subtle. Bring Asians. Fastest developing, growing in numbers, higher IQ hard working people. That is where white trash feels the hurt.

Was feeling a little low-effort because I was on mobile.

I type at 105 wpm, but text at about 50 with a bunch of typos. Not willing enough to engage in sustained serious posting.

100% shitposting baby

I just did some atheist propaganda on uncensored. They banned me only after an hour when failed miserably.

Atheist propaganda, what sort?

I'm an atheist myself, just to specify.

Like all kind of sorts. Propaganda of education and enlightenment. Agitation against idealism.

Exposing crimes of the Churches

Eh, the last isn't exactly propaganda.

@Deleted User why not?

'Cause it's the truth.

Communist propaganda is supposed to be truth and nothing else.

I'm not saying it always is.

But the intention is there.

Propaganda is inherently untruthful and misleading.

That's right wing.

That's an arbitrary comparison to make.

A right-wing idealist might say right-wing propaganda is "supposed" to be the truth.

In practice, neither right-wing or left-wing propahanda is the truth because all propaganda is untruthful.

And that would be ok with me. Some objective idealists even can make it happen.

It's in the primary definition.

All people use propaganda

@carlton™ this is not Marxist or even left-wing definition.

Can you define that for me? I am not educated in communist rhetoric.

Propaganda is something made to make you shift your views, the producers of it care little for the actual truth. @Firefly

Marxist propaganda is basically a promotion of the scientific knowledge for under-educated masses.

That's what they all say.

@Deleted User what if you shift your views from idealism to materialism?

@Deleted User who?

It is still shifting views.

Why would you have to use propaganda to educate people? Sounds to me like a convenient substitute for school that uses its legitimacy to quickly switch between a platform for education and a loudspeaker for party lies.

@Deleted User shifting into reality?

Everyone who wants reform, mate. @Firefly

No

Shifting views

That is all it is.

@Deleted User shifting religious views into science is bad?

You may believe it to be such, though that is only your view.

I don't believe so, no, though that is my view.

One view is true another is a lie.

Views are not equal.

Though, we can't say which is true.

Yes we can

We study the subject and make conclusions.

Though, have we?

Yes

Provide examples, please.

Provide examples for your own views, rather.

We came to the point where we as Marxists blame ourselves for USSR failure and the world reaction after studying and understanding our faults.

lol what is this faggot shit, "we know as a fact that the guy thought to live in a realm unbeknown to us doesn't exist"

Though, has Marxism actually gone into play? @Firefly

never successfully, but it's been tried many times

@Deleted User We were an active force in play, yes.

Exactly. @Deleted User

Tell me then, where is there a working society of Marxists?

they also failed to convert most people into atheism

they converted very few successfully tbh

they just killed a bunch of orthodox christians

that's it

@Deleted User Lets keep on topic please.

We are.

I gave you example.

I asked you to present proof that your views work.

No, you gave me an example of a failure.

Wait, I thought you wanted me to show you if we learn from our mistakes and use propaganda for bringing us closer to the truth.

all societies that focused on achieving communism through socialism have been economically, and many societally ruined

Russia is getting back on their feet though

good for them

You haven't even shown us that you have learned from them as you have yet to produce a continuation of the USSR. @Firefly

We do mistakes, we analyze, we use propaganda to spread the result, we become better in truth.

Don't use propaganda to spread the truth.

Use results.

you never shifted in strategy though, unless you mean the differences in Jucheist, Yugoslavian and Unionist communism

@Deleted User That is a very complicated subject. We have a very big articles for that. https://prorivists.wordpress.com/source-of-opportunism/

in which case you would be an idiot

Propaganda is merely a tool to brainwash.

because marxists hate jucheists and chinese and yugoslavian

I'm not reading that, mate.

@Deleted User yes, we shifted the strategy.

Please tell me it in your own words instead of pointing me to a biased article.

It really doesn't seem all too complicated.

The subject of using propaganda, I mean.