Do you expect everything to come for free?

no

work is not the problem

I never stated it was

Clearly it is because you say it is slavery

Resorting to the strawman fallacy

I just explained to you how you are losing value by working for an employer

The problem is someone else profiting off your work

I went through it with you four times

you agreed with me every step of the way

You get the full profit of your work

we just went over this

fifth time, here we fucking go again

You earn more than what you put in

What don’t you understand about this?

you missed my reasoning completely

forget shifting the goalposts

there are no goalposts with you

There is nothing wrong with wanting to end the antagonisms of class struggle

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKwIBro45co

Oh yeah you believe in this mystical thing called class consciousness

Where people can’t have original ideas of their own

Dumb meme

imagine ignoring an entire line of reasoning four times over

imagine rejecting basic economic structure

Why can’t the left or right create good memes?

It’s pathetic

Why can't the centrists meme

cuz they npcs

If I get the full value of the work I put into something, plus more, at a job of my choice, how am I being exploited?

Shitty food, shitty housing, shitty healthcare, but we have 13 types of toothbrushes to choose from, so it's ok

why can't the centrists think

You need to think for a minute

Bait laid for the centrists

Just one minute

You are not being exploited or oppressed in any way

Let go of your conspiracy theory

He says as he extracts the surplus value of my labour into capital

There is no such thing as surplus value

He says as he lowers the wage

@Hooty I guess that all of that attempt at reasoning with you didn't work

I mean you went along with all of it until the end

You can't reason with a liberal

You already get a surplus value from your earnings

we discussed this

Especially not a neo liberal

if the boss makes a profit, then they're putting less into you than they get out

Whenever value is left over belongs to someone else

if the boss owns a machine that they profit off of, then maintenance is less than revenue

wages are your maintenance cost

therefore, because profit is being made, you produce more than you are given as wages

basic syllogistic logic

a is true
b is true
if a, then b

are you starting to see the big picture here?

He's blinded by the illusion of neo liberalism, of course not

You don’t produce more

okay let's go over the first two statements again

If you didn't produce more, then your boss wouldn't profit

If you did, you would get paid more

Learn some economics

That is basic economics

is profit when you have more revenue than expenses?

You produce more in his perception, but not in yours

Because value is subjective

Something you don’t believe

the whole idea of currency is that we all agree that it has value

if we didn't, it would be worth nothing

Is the value subjective or not?

Because the labor theory of value says value is not subjective

the whole point of currency is that it has value that large numbers of people agree on

it's designed to be as objective as possible

Is value subjective or not?

the intent of currency is to provide objective value

Is value subjective or not?

in some cases

In all cases

is a dollar worth less to you than it is to anyone else?

yes

Then it is subjective

if I have a dollar and you have a dollar, can we both buy something that is one dollar?

yes

then that is objective value

you have set a base

a backing

But the value of that object is subjective

that doesn't come into it

yes

you said yourself, you can use your money for whatever you want

You can't argue with someone who thinks private property and personal property is the same @DA GOMMIE JOO

Maybe I don’t want to buy anything with the dollar

Maybe I want to save it and buy something more expensive that does have value to me

that doesn't change the fact that you can do it if you choose

it's not about what you want
it's about what is capable

The thing purchased may not have value to me

With the single dollar

(can't believe I'm about to say this)
facts don't care about your feelings

So now you are getting into utility function

Feels>>>reals poster spotted

Utility doesn’t mean value

the dollar is designed to be a universal indicator of value

the whole point of a dollar is that it has value

all things have a dollar price

$1 million could be worth nothing to me

If I am rich

but does the bank care?

Therefore you could give it to those who need it

Do you understand?

if you deposit that one million, does the bank get a deposit of 0 dollars?

Yeah, my social standing among other people could be worth more, so I could give it to those in need to boost that

can you just take a loaf of bread if it means nothing to you?

Redistribution of wealth

walk into a grocery store tonight and take something that you don't need or want
you're still going to get arrested for taking something that is worth a certain amount of currency

our entire system is built on the idea that a dollar has a certain value

if the dollar's value changed, then it would be impossible to buy or sell anything

Maybe I’m allergic to bread

because nobody would agree on prices

You never know what my values are

that's
*not*
***relevant***

Only I do

Which makes them entirely subjective

you're just gonna ignore all that?

the whole "our system is built on the value of currency"?

You’re ignoring that fact

that spiel?

our system isn't built on the value of currency?

money is just paper with ink
it should be worth basically nothing
but people spend their entire lives hoarding it

Nothing has intrinsic value

to get back into basic economics, the whole use value of currency *is* its exchange value

it is useful in that it is exchangable

people agree on this exchange value

you want to expand the system, more people have to agree on the same value

if you want to take part in capitalism, then you must agree that the currency is worth a set amount
otherwise, you will get nowhere

All the value is determined subjectively by the consumer

do you have alzheimer's or something

if money is worth nothing according to my values, can I just take all the money out of the bank?

You simply cannot know what has objective value or not

can I just ask for it all?
just shrug off their complaints with "it's all subjective"?

Does the value of a currency fluctuate or not?

You wouldn’t be able to make money trading currency if it didn’t

Everything changes in value for a variety of reasons

is that caused by major shifts in values?

a large group of people thinking collectively?

This is why price controls in a socialist system don’t work

As you see in Venezuela

A winter coat is more valuable in the winter than shorts and a T-shirt, vice versa in the summer for example

Money has the utility value which allows you to buy whichever one you choose

for a given situation

Rip

Pol pot did nothing wrong @DA GOMMIE JOO @Schutz @Schutz

Pothead

@Firefly disabled my access to #russia due to his fear of me

Either way, Ill post this here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugeUGnxvm_U

@Hooty Venezuela has 90% of GDP coming from private business

Obviously not socialist

Why do I doubt that

Also latin america sucks balls

the only worth while place to go is rio to see the christ statue

and that says alot from an atheist

I'd rather see zeus at olympia but thats unfortunately gone

Mexico doesnt deserve to be in north america

Mexicans are such a problem

Its a disgrace

if my country was shit I'd try to make it better, not illegally migrate

I said nigga on twitter

Am I gonna get banned

@Schutz I’m already tracer

What about Winston

I wanna be winston

https://images-ext-2.discordapp.net/external/oYmw5pejGOMaJHvDWfOBno-BcE1cbU-CvbsKmy3A1nY/https/i.gyazo.com/thumb/1200/5c7163b12bb3590f03794f2444ee15c9-png.jpg

take it b r i t s

Lol fallout

lol

My name is Jafar
I come from afar
I have a bomb in my car
Allahu akbar

showkeys coffin

I think my colloquial English has improved because of discord

@Adolf Hitler

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UvnnSNB9B8A

@Borzo

this is why i'm closet commie

i don't associate with left bs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlZsGpWJmos

Slavs, always trying to steal from the supreme west. @Borzo

Even ukrainians are better than you belarussians

Heh

They're literally the same but different government and history lmao

Belarussians are like normal russians

yeah @Borzo

Different government and history isnt the same

they are not the same different languages and cultures @Borzo

That's why belarussians are so dumb, they're slavs and dont change

You're not worth talking to

Adolf, oh füher. Machen wir schon wieder eine invasion nach russland? @Adolf Hitler

Is that german?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlZsGpWJmos

I want to learn it badly

Yes

No it's Native American

But you better wont learn it from me

Of course it's German lmao

@Borzo is that what your mother tells you? That you're not worth talking to?

I dont want you butchering my language.

Could be any number of european you uncultured slav

That's the opposite of what your mother tells me @Mr. X

i want to donate to prageru

Lol, libtards joining here

Relax, the only thing I can learn from you are delusions @Meow Tse-Tung

Donate them a noose around their neck

stfu bourgeoise

huh?

Fuck off crapitalist

@Borzo Delusional

stfu corporatist

stfu sectarian

Im not liberal, anyone with a brain would know this

stfu amerikan

Americans are the only good superpowers

Nice one

Imperialist Superpowers

lol

Im serious as usual

Not so super anymore when the population rebels

Almost got me there lmao

The world would be a shitty place without american imperialism

Yes

Hi serious, I'm Borzo @Mr. X

Its not going to rebel

Imaging not having any burgers

oh wait

someone else invented them

Hey you disgusting slav.

They didnt sell them as much though

Hey bourgeois pig

stfu muslim piece of shit

Eat the rich

@Borzo we need fucking guns

We need to fuck guns

if the guy in melbourne did that shit in america

It wouldnt be the first time a communist resorts to cannibalism