do you mean neolithic civilizations?

because even the earliest civilizations were states in a sense

in that people worked under one banner

>state just means people rule under a collective being

No.

but my point is the USSR was also imperialist

yeah it does though

no it doesn't

you have people working with leadership and a collective identity

thats basically a state

humans are herd mammals

its our natural state of existence

USSR being imperialist doesn't prove that imperialism is also leftist

Herds aren't states

lol

that's like

no it proves that civilization and humanity itself is imperialist

implying

a commune would be a state

yes

exactly

no

a commune IS a state

that's literally not what a state is

A commune can be a state, but it doesn't have to

a state is an apparatus of the ruling class to enforce power.

a commune isn't a state

its essentially extreme neo feudalism and is extraorinarily inneficient

wolf

what's your ideology.

so does this commune have leaders?

how does anything get done

>leaders equal state

lets not talk about me

yes

So you're not a leftist

nor am I a rightist

dont crucify me

i will crucify you.

either way

thats ideological puritanism for you

It's not even puritanism

you're commenting on something you don't know about

Doesn't have to be for ideological reasons

Leaders don't equal state lmao

but I do know about it

that's against literally all theory

but sure

I can have a bad habit of crucifying ;P

you're just not agreeing

think that way

state
steɪt/Submit
noun

a nation or territory considered as an organized political community under one government.
"Germany, Italy, and other European states"
synonyms: country, nation, land, sovereign state, nation state, kingdom, empire, republic, confederation, federation, body politic, commonwealth, power, world power, superpower, polity, domain, territory; More

But yeah all ideologies are puritanism

>Dictionary

the dictionary doesnt agree with you so it must be purged

we'll make a new dictionary

a better one

It just literally goes against anarchist and marxist theory, which we're talking about here. I just mentioned an anarchist commune, which you deem a state

you've just colloqualized the term 'state' to mean a powerful cabal of bourgoise leaders

In human development, class society didn't arise until the advancement out of hunter-gatherer society.

No I didn't lmao?

How?

what were chiefs then

I said the state is an apparatus of the ruling class.

Because it is

Chiefs were generally after hunter-gatherers boi.

so hunter gatherers had no elders, no leaders of any kind

just like how wild bovine herds have no alpha males or leadership, theyre just a collective herd with no direction right?

Elders weren't always leaders, my dude

yes thatw as sarcasm

but they were though

it wasnt every man for himself

>no chiefs equals no leaders

wtf

early humans worked together

You keep strawmanning my point.

no I'm not

Like as if you CANT have a collective consensus on who's more qualified to make certain decisions

which isn't a state, tard.

There always has to be a leader

and an identity or whatever the fuck

like what?

yes so a collective of people with leaders, thats what we call a state

Read early human history

you want a stateless state

I do read early human history

Again

a strawman.

What's your ideology?

thats not relevant

Yes it is.

Okay which class were in charge of this state? Exactly how'd this state use violence to keep the "proletariat" down?

I'm a Libertarian Communist.

Or slave owners

dont strawman my arguments by using personal attacks and ad hominems

adress what im saying

I am

judge me by the content of my character

It would be an ad hominem if I was simply denouncing your argument by personally attacking you.

I'm not though.

It's relevant because Seedle for example believes in the immediate destruction of the state (I assume) And I believe that when the proletariat has taken over the state and is done with it

it'll die out

Though I'm not too sure how ancom works

but if you remove the state and still have a leadership and a clear direction, a government essentially

Sorry libcom*

how do you not have a state

In which case I'm even more confused

In terms of a political entity, a state is any politically organized community living under a single system of government.[

>how do you not have a state

Because there's no class to enforce their will on you

http://www.counterfire.org/index.php/articles/a-marxist-history-of-the-world/6966-a-marxist-history-of-the-world-part-17-the-roman-revolution

Yeah a state needs to force violence upon a certain class

Semi-relevant and it'll open your eyes a bit on a historical materialist approach to history and class society.

does it have to though

without that it wont really function as a state

brb

this article refers to rome in 133BC as an empire even though it was still a republic at that point

and would remain on for almost 150 more years

0/10

the main downfall of rome was touched on in this article

that being the mass influx of slaves and collectivization of private property

with the original romans who built the empire becoming basically a minority in their own empire, rome was no longer roman

and quickly lost all of the values and ethos that built it to such great heights in the first place

thats why it became so directionless and decayed over time

what the fuck is this

omg this channel

hey buddy

Bernie Sanders should have won.

lol

I don't care if you guys have different opinions I respect that and it's interesting talking about politics and everyone's perspectives.

@Radical but he didn't

too late to cry about it now.

fuck him

Anyone play league of legends here?

This is some fucked up shit. I looked it up and the same thing happened to a man last year.

https://my.mixtape.moe/yaiyzp.png

>finnish bolshevik

Disgraceful

>Pro-Hitler people are bad but Pro-Stalin people aren't

Yeah okay

https://discord.gg/6upgvRc

@Deleted User do you actually think that stalin is comparable to hitler?

@darf In what way?

the whole evil thing @Deleted User

I don't think Stalin was evil neither but Stalin was a jackass and his advisors were despicably evil

Molotov-Ribbentrop pact trickery wasn't Stalin's fault (he OK'd it though) but his advisors specifically wanted to through the Germans to the wolves

the molotov pact was to protect socialism the rest of the world already signed shit with hitler

>Hitler wasn't socialist

he legitimately wasnt

That meme needs to die

your life is a meme

@darf Anyway even in the fantasy world that the Germans were [different ideal] scum, making a promise to invade Poland at the same time and violating it by more than half a month is extremely dishonorable

Stop worshipping the pig Soviet scum

Do you know what socialism means?

Define it.

Just saw your thing. Decided to make a ramble in notepad and paste

@Seedle Socialism, the ownership of the means of production belongs to the society as a whole rather than an aristocracy (or any small group of people within the society). All implications of the transition state lie in Marxist or otherwise theory. Socialism at its base is common ownership. Property ownership is variable, a socialist state can have property and even personal trade. Socialists of course like myself disdain excessive land ownership and excessive profiteering especially by capitalistic aristocrats. And the argument between collectivism and individualism is a red herring for the time being. Especially if you allow individualistic ancoms to call themselves coms at all.

why is there no chat for dutch

what is this

Because the Netherlands is irrelevant

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remember that one time we installed the current UK monarchy

and we did the original vietnam war thing

except 3 times

without the terrain perks

Muh spices and ports

more than you will ever achieve

Anyone wanna... talk a bit?

I feel like having a day off today from chatting. Saturday, time to rest.

@not becky That is a fucking weird price for a bail? What did he do to get in jail anyways?

https://youtu.be/wXzWBqmuoo4

http://8ch.net/leftypol/res/1600411.html

https://discord.gg/G5BeW

http://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/132059300

Poverty and capitalism

Poverty has existed for as long as class divisions have existed. There have been classless societies before, what Marx called "primitive communism", but with the advent of agriculture there came a time where one strong authority could assume control of the production of food and other vital resources, and with that came the existence of poverty, of a specific class of people who had less than others.
In our current society, poverty does not exist because resources are scarce and we cannot spare any food or clothing or shelter, but because we refuse to feed the hungry, to clothe the naked, and to shelter the homeless. We have enough food worldwide to feed 10 billion people. In America there are five empty houses for every homeless person. 20 million people die each year of hunger, lack of clean water, and preventable illnesses. The obstacle to ending poverty is not a lack of resources, but a lack of incentive. The producers of goods today produce them to make a profit, and there is no profit in providing goods to those who cannot pay. Communism seeks to end poverty by removing the profit motive and creating a new motive, production-for-use. Communists wish to see production of goods to satisfy the needs and desires of all people.
We have the ability already to end poverty. We just need to be brave enough to do it.

http://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/132035370

/pol/ communism general

http://8ch.net/leftypol/res/1827161.html

Communisim doesnt work

Get the the final red pill, comrade.

No

Communism does not work.
Neo communists are a bunch of god damned retards.

We will have to crush you than.

Bahahaha

You cant even move out of your mothers basement

Apply water to the burn

Cold water is better...

Like i said....you cant even

I bet you are some damn skinny ass white kid

From america

Americans oy oy oy

naztrot will win

Why USSR's economy always been improving?

Why it is so good?

Its not

Communism is only for American retards who never lived it.

It was good because state planned capitalism doesn't stop for things like basic human decency

https://youtu.be/guHfo0p1G-I

@Firefly Yhea, the USSR's economy is improving so much that the country collapsed?

Hey guys

Are you the Canadian dude?

Stalin should killed all Faggots

Canadian?

No Im Spanish

I love Gulags

Oh are you the OP of the communist generals?

No also not

Oh

Im new at Discord

I really wish he'd come in here

I'd like to make fun of that faggot

Man, Stalin shouldnt die

I love him

He should killed every Liberal, Capitalist and Homosexual in everywhere

I love what he did

We need someone like Stalin in these days to rule the world

Oy vey

good idea

hi

Do not tread on the wrong path my friends. Review what history has taught us about communism.

that communism is jewish?

Oy vey

can someone join me in marxist talks?

kinda new here :p

no

That's gonna take some time to explain

<:NoireWut:324221895371390977>

Robert Wilton, the Russian correspondent of The Times. In 1920 he published a book in French, Les Derniers Jours des Romanofs, which gave the racial background of all the members of the Soviet government. After the publication of this monumental work, Wilton was ostracised by the press, and he died in poverty in 1925. He reported that the Central Committee of the Bolshevik Party was made up as follows:

Trotsky, Zinoviev, Kamanev, Steklov and Blumkin were killed by the Soviets, and Ouritski, Volodarski, Sverdlov all died before 1920.

I couldn't find any information on the other 5 alleged Jews on the second image.

I am neither confirming nor denying anything, bit merely relaying information so you all can cultivate your thoughts on the subject better. Perhaps confirmed quotes on the subject are more substantial and evident of Jewish involvement. (Although it doesn't get too much more evident than a full list of Soviet government's nationalities)

In the War Records Division of the United States National Archives there is filed a report from an American Intelligence operative in St. Petersburg. Under Record Group 20; Records of the American Expeditionary Forces Capt. Montgomery Schuyler, G2 Intelligence wrote, *“The Bolshevik movement is and has been since its beginning, guided and controlled by Russian Jews of the greasiest type.”*

Also in the U.S. National Archives are two telegrams sent by American diplomats in Russia. State Department document 861.00/1757 sent on 2 May 1918 by U.S. Consul Summers in Moscow relates, *“Jews predominant in local Soviet government, anti-Jewish feeling growing among population.”* Document 861.00/2205 from Consul Caldwell in Vladivostock on 5 July 1918 describes, *“Fifty per cent of Soviet government in each town consists of Jews of worst type.”*

*“I thought about something just now: The decision to nationalize this library was made by the first Soviet government, whose composition was 80-85 percent Jewish,”* Russian President Vladimir Putin said June 13 during a visit to Moscow’s Jewish Museum and Tolerance Center

*"The Jews have undoubtedly to a large extent furnished the brains and energy in the revolution throughout Russia."* Mr. George von Longerke Meyer, United States Ambassador to Russia during the Russo-Japanese War, in an official letter dated December 30, 1905, to Mr. Elihu Root, then U. S. Secretary of State.

*"I believe that of all the achievements of my people, none has been nobler than the part the sons and daughters of Israel have taken in the great movement which has culminated in free Russia (revolution)."* Rabbi Stephen S. Wise, March 23, 1917 at the mass meeting celebrating the revolution in Russia, New York Times, March 24, 1917

Lets go a little deeper.