that fucking snake guy

No he wasnt

he was a national socialist

if you look at histoREEEE

are you autistic i was quoting steven crowder

@Mr. X thatsthejoke.jpeg

The point is these “liberals” and “conservatives” flip flop between their viewpoints that supposedly define them so fucking much that they can’t even be considered different anymore

@BigBadRed9000 Oh yeah I forgot I was supposed to magically know that

Im apparently autistic because I dont know a meme you made

the quotes should've given it away

yeah, you should have because there were FUCKING QUOTES AROUND IT

"what do you mean the quotation marks mean that it's a quote?"
-probably mr. e

There’s a reason the joke that “if [Republican] said this, than liberals would refuse” (and vise versa) exists

@Amoviet no they're different for sure.

the only reason they're different is because they hate each other

conservatives say one thing and liberals say the opposite, and vice versa

They don’t even actually believe in anything, they just go along with what appears to be popular and their supporters follow them like sheep

@BigBadRed9000 Quotes dont give it a way that you're quoting steven crowder. I only knew you were quoting someone

@DA GOMMIE JOO that's life, people and political parties generally change. Unless you're a radical and set too much in your beliefs.

I knew someone who was a liberal who had previously been against escalation with Russia, but as soon as Hillary suggested it he went fucking nuts

There are no beliefs here

There is only following the leader

I guess that completely reversing your position because it benefits you more is okay

It isn’t even ideology anymore

Thats one person. Amos not them in general

From what I have seen it’s been reflected most of the time

@DA GOMMIE JOO No its better than okay, its progress.

Trump supporters who supported refugees and didn’t care about Islam until the Trump campaign

what do you mean by that amos?

they aren't even going forward
They're just scooting left and right over the y axis

they get nowhere

and accomplish nothing

No many of them cared about refugees before then

And Liberals for things like a border fence until trump said he wanted a wall

And even back then people were screaming racist

yeah a lot of liberals wanted a border fence until trump said that he wanted a wall

@DA GOMMIE JOO except they have, Trump for example.

He was a democrat and then had different views eventually and became a republican

now he's keeping the peace between America and some other countries

To claim that liberalism and conservatism are even somewhat different is practically making a mockery of political theory and practice in general

nearly starting a trade war with china and heightening tensions with russia in syria = keeping peace

If I was in his position I'd never make a deal with kim yet I think trump did the right thing

keeping peace with some countries yeah

trade wars are fine

They even overlapped on a bunch of issues but still fucking debated each other about them

if he wants to make trade more equal then he should go for it

Wouldnt communists agree?

“I support intervention against ISIS”
“I support intervention against ISIS”
“You’re a fucking scumbag”
“How fucking dare you motherfucker”
“You’re gonna Kill innocents”

They overlap on a lot of issues but disagree on a lot. Both sides are pretty flexible though

?

Seriously, there is no ideology.

There are two parties.

That’s it.

and let's not forget about how 2016 trump and 2018 trump might as well be different people altogether

That’s the ideology.

Thats straight up false

Whatever they say goes.

of course they have ideologies

2016: mexico will pay for the wall
2017: congress will pay for the wall
2018: there won't be a wall

No hes making a wall

and people's opinions change generally speaking

2013 trump: don't bomb syria
2017 trump: yeet

the wall will cost a lot

Lmao

Different time

What about the Trump supporters who still think trump is great and have always supported him from the beginning, despite the fact he’s ignored/gone back on an insane amount of his positions?

of course you're going to have a different opinion of another country over 4 years

2016 trump: mexico is terrible
2017 trump: I love mexico

That isn’t ideology. That’s blind following.

especially a middle eastern country

He never said mexico is terrible

you get the point though

He literally said Mexican immigrants are rapists and drug dealers.

he's gone back on a lot of what he said

@Amoviet such as?

Hm, let’s see.

Yes illegal immigrants do tend to turn to a life of crime

no he didn't say illegals

and they have raped plenty of women too

like in germany with the muslim refugees

>hates liberals

he said all of mexican immigrants as a whole

(right?)

>agrees with liberals

>????

No he's talking about illegals

Border wall, neutrality, not attacking Syria, attacking China via trade/diplomacy, never negotiating with Kim.

Those are just a few.

he doesnt mind immigrants hell his whole family are immigrants I think

I remember hearing about how liberals were celebrating when trump launched the missiles on syria

you can agree with liberals and disagree with them with some things

I know I do

But I tend to agree with conservatives a little more

depends on the situation too

>commies hate liberals >liberals actually agree with commies on most issues

Trump at start of campaign: “Fuck Kim no negotiation”
End of campaign: “Eh okay”
2017: “I changed my mind”
2018: *shakes Kim’s hand* “hello sir”

@DA GOMMIE JOO I remember liberals being upset over the deal with kim

Thank fuck he changed his mind Amos

If I was him I wouldnt change my mind

This chat is cancerous

Goodbye

Dont care, shoo

The point isn’t whether his change of heart is good, the point is that he refuses to follow his own fucking basic principles he set for himself

Brick is right

Goodbye

he does follow most of his principles though

hell hes even still trying to make a wall

trump: kim will be met with fire and fury
also trump: kim is a fine person

Good for him

>when you flip-flop more than a pair of shower shoes

its called being a human being

yknow

those types of people who's mind change over time?

And depending on a situation?

What do you think is better?

Nuclear war with korea or peace?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schizophrenia

Is that a projection commie?

its a pity you guys remain totally ignorant about the differences between conservatism and liberalism.

I highly recommend some more research for both sides.

both are capitalist

if you do this I might read some marx

I might

so?

Not everyone on the left are communists

but everyone is at least socialist

Some not everyone

there's syndicalists and liberals

Liberals are much more closer to the right though

Minority is socialist. Most in the west are democratic-socialist, anarchists or trotskyist

but not as close as centrists and not on the right

Right

and also liberals who make up a lot in the west

like in America

And many european countries

Democratic-socialist is just another name for a progressive liberal with left tendency

socialism is a very broad term

Liberals mostly have a left tendency

but yeah democratic socialists are more to the left of course

That is not correct.

but it is

How?

For one the mapping for people who claim to be liberals are on the left but close to the centre

Like the political maps

Where?

Like the political compass among many other sites

What about it?

Like I said it maps out liberals as leftists like every time

How many times?

not to mention how communist and anarchists antifa and sjws tend to be

pretty much every time I've seen a liberal use it

like me when I was a liberal

I would like to see where you take this statistics

but its libertarian not authoritarian left

It seems subjective to me

Communists and socialists advocate for authoritarianism, but they do it in the name of “justice”

Yet they also deny it’s being authoritarian

I took it on many sites but the most popular one is https://www.politicalcompass.org/
Its not totally accurate though

They literally contradict themselves

I don’t get it

Now I know why chat is cancerous

because you're here

and liberals tend to have left leaning opinions

@Mr. X I don't care about your personal experience. You were talking about most liberals having left-wing tendency. This is false.

like on welfare

Not at all

Depends on your definition of liberal

My personal experience has a lot to do with it

@Brickiest Brick My definition of liberal is just liberals in general

Your personal experience is garbage

That is not a definition

Snap

It is

Thats going in my cringe compilation

as in the general definition retard

@Firefly Do you always get so sappy when you're challenged?

You don’t know how to debate

I do, but what's to debate? You should do more research

@Mr. X I gave you an honor of talking to you for far too long.

You sound like someone who has a bigger ego than me

Firefly you’re wise to not talk to Mr. E

thats a bad sign

wise if you want to be ignorant

Mr. E I am on your side for the most part

I could care less

However you just make a complete mockery of everything I stand for

Which is?

liberals are still centrists with more right than left tendencies

Not at all

You don’t properly cite sources and you don’t know how to argue and debate your points clearly

You don’t even know much information oftentimes

You can’t back up what you say properly, in other words

And don’t respond with an insult

I’m not trying to insult you

I advocate for authoritarianism without denying it is authoritarian

Now that is respectable

Authority is good for you.

Not denying that

I do know how to properly site my sources. But I dont have to cite them everytime someone asks. Especially when the sources are easy to find. Im not a special ed teacher who teaches retarded children basic information. And how could I be anymore clear. And I do know how to argue and debate but if the other side is going to be too ignorant the best I can do is tell them to do more research so they dont think Im trying to brainwash them. Its best if they find the information themselves because they clearly wont listen. Its pretty basic. And yes I do know a lot of information. And like I said I can back it up.

@Brickiest Brick

"I don't have to cite sources, you're just stupid!"

Or subtus, yes.

Im not obligated to serve you or teach you.

I essentially think authoritarianism is the only way we can ever achieve a society that is both morally just and capable of perpetuating itself

Well Mr. E, you have to realize that you actually are debating people who are ignorant of the facts

communism has killed 100 million people. seriously, you dont need sources to know that since everyone knows it

You need to show them research, they won’t look it up themselves

@ashoka we won't ever really know how many people socialism has killed, all we know is it wasn't nearly enough

They often validate their opinions with sources that are just biased in their favor

are you some kind of nationalized socialist

@Brickiest Brick No they're ignorant of me, in ways you're ignorant of me

So you need to understand that you must show your sources

they're clearly not ignorant of the facts

Set in their ways but they're not ignorant of facts,

He has no sources

"I have sources, but I just won't show them to you"
sounds like
"I don't have sources and I'm in denial"

I do, I just see no point providing them and finding them for you

How would you benefitting from such obvious information benefit me? What would that gain me?

Im not in denial and I do have sources.

Yet you find the time and effort to keep responding? It seems rather contradictory. @Mr. X

Im obviously not making shit up for no reason.

anyways, as i was saying. 90% of the world is socialist under a socialist government. the eu is a good example of this, and that is why most governents are horrible. look at africa, prime axample of government intervention ruining economies. if you just let companies come in and save these poor workers and ppl without any government intervetnion, i wouldnt be surprised if africa turns out to be #1 most successful continent in the world.

the eu isn't even close to socialism

@♡♡♡ Thats because responding actually benefits me. Rather than wasting my time trying to help the ignorant when they can only help themselves I can learn from others and the less ignorant.

@TrebyC he's trolling

"I refuse to debate you because you're ignorant. No, I'm not just ignoring you."

@TrebyC LOL

i noticed it now

🤠

D*spacito tbh

are you kidding me? the head of eu angela merkel is literally letting rapefugees in europe and not doing anythin about it

@DA GOMMIE JOO I'll "debate" all I like but dont expect me to show you some obvious sources. Im not ignoring you as you can easily see.

if that isnt socialism i dont know whta is

socialism = rapefugees in your country

Socialism is when black people commit rape

And the more rape they commit, the socialister it is

if they're so obvious then it shouldn't be a problem for you to look them up

tbh i think hitler might be better than stalin, only 6 mil died from the holocaust while 8 mil died from the holodomor

and thats not even counting the many that died under stlain

@DA GOMMIE JOO it isnt, I told you. Im not oblegated to teach special ed class.

You overlooked a crucial detail

@ashoka

The only way for an ignorant to learn is to search the facts themselves. Not be spoonfed by the intellectually superior.

"I refuse to cite sources because you're retarded"
classic sterling logic

No because you're subtus.

Fucking epic high level debate

You're only retarded when it comes to liberalism and conservatism

here let me look up facts myself