I am on HRT anyway, with AAS, to become the ultimate manarchist

Always

All the days

Do commies support Rhodesia?

Has anyone read that?

Rhodesia doesn’t exist anymore

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RFimfcIRGj8

It does in our hearts

Want to see what real international pressure looks like? Rhodesia got shafted by the world powers

Not what you commies meme about "m-m-muh cuba failed because of global capitalist pressure!" Bullshit

^^^

oh yeah, cuba is not in REAL isolation, radizha wuz!!!!

The ussr denied any aid from the west while they murdered their people. Rhodesia begged for help while they fought off jabbering savages from all sides

Well, its economy fell down during the minority administration, so what is the point of bringing it up?????_???

Yup USSR 24/7 murdering people in concentration camps, especially wide in the 80s

Yup USSR 24/7 murdering people in concentration camps, especially wide in the 80s

It failed because the rest of the world refused to trade with them suddenly

It failed because the rest of the world refused to trade with them suddenly

Yup USSR 24/7 murdering people in concentration camps, especially wide in the 80s

Not the first time i heard a commie deny gulags in the 80s lol

Its a fact lol. They dont even hide it. They just say "oh those were criminals"

Yeah I don't get it

Why do people on our side deny gulags

It just makes us look more delusional than people think we already are

Doesn't help the cause one bit

Mao and stalin didnt deny any of the killings they just say they were justified lol

Mao advocated it lol

Didnt give a fuck

Right so why do the lil Tankies insist on denying them lol

Because they think normies care when they dont

Ironically commies are really shitty at rallying support lol

For real

Bernie was the most social presidential candidate to ever run in america and he got blasted out lol

So they go t-t-they stole it! He wouldve won! Lel

Obligatory work in prisons does not equal murder. Nobody was denying gulags, duh

Communism, like all forms of facism are reactionary

Does not always equal, I should say

Shit has to get worse for communism to happen

@Deleted User ok fren

>mandatory slavery
>you dont like it get shot

Wew lad

from the best of us according to their ability, to the best of us according to their need

And if you dont want to you get murdered*

>he made me mad so hes trolling

Nice argument

nobody argues with me? great, Fascism wins

I just did lol

You get murdered

Political dissidents did not get shot after stalin’s time either. And no one said labor camps were GOOD. They were just not the same as murder. Like, I get it, fuck any totalitarian state, but can we please not get to autistic screeching every time we talk about it?

You are literally wrong

Sigh

So the great purge....

Okay, some nice cases of Brezhnev’s government killing ppl for disagreement only?

Just didnt happen

Pla

*pla

Fuck

Pls

Lol

So i guess it didnt?

Well fren you could just pick one from this handy list

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_in_the_Soviet_Union

Its not even a conspiracy. They are well documented. Ask people from the ussr. People dissapeared when they dissented up until the dissolusion

>after Stalin
>great purge
Man, for fuck’s sake

What?

Lol

It had nothing to do with the purge. People were always taken away

Individual people were taken away and shot? After Stalin? For expressing disagreement with the soviet policies?

Yes

Its common knowledge

Yeah

It's literally the reason normies hate communists

Happened in Cuba too. Carried out by our Lord Che Guevara.

Lol

Well, I guess my grandfather was just so lucky to attend a rally against Afghanistan war and not get shot or imprisoned lo

Yes

They didnt have cctv lol

Yet still you gave no proof of killing individual dissidents

Oml whatever dude

I know there were violence against protests like shit in Novocherkassk

Deny it all you want

Doesn't change it

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/April_9_tragedy

Or, accept it and move on to actual revolutionary work

I would not deny it if u give a proof tho

>demonstration

What are you doing to help the revolution besides sucking USSR dick?

IDGAF what you think about the past

I meant individual dissidents

What are you doing now?

Okay, I agree

The whole argument is shit

I did not want to prove USSR was innocent

I just don’t like the myths spread about it. It is just an epistemical issue more than political

Rn finished the tankie argument

What would you suggest me doig to help the revolution to happen?

Go out shoot some porkies?

Any ELN bois here texting between the shootouts with the amry or smth?

You could make capitalism better lol

Or I could fucking hang myself so that GDP per capita gets bigger👍🏻

Any more productive suggestions from _revolutionaries_?

@celeryman2020 you were trying to bring this up, so?

Lol you arent a revolutionary

Revolutionaries are puppets

Capitalism didnt need a revolution. It happened organically

Go out and make something of yourself

I am not, but guess @celeryman2020 is

@PugSlugger cool, I still have no idea whatcha doing on leftypol tho

Because i dont enjoy echochambers

How do i know communism is wrong if i dont talk to communists?

Hopefully Trump will cause another economoc crash soon

Lol how?

@PugSlugger go read Marx and Kropotkin, if you can read

He is currently restructuring the economy so its sustainable

Marx is absolute trash lmao

Holy shit

The guy never worked a day in his life

Marx was a journalist

Nice, so u better learn about communism by talking to random leftists?

Lol so the kind of people that die first in the revolutions

@Deleted User i know more about communism than you fren

That wasn't real communism

It cant work because syndicates and collective ownership doesnt work

Whenever capitalism fucks up it "wasn't real capitalism" it was "crony capitalism"

Lol when has it failed?

No one says that

@PugSlugger @PugSlugger “how do i know whats communism if i dont talk to communists”- that is what you fucking said. And now you claim you don’t need to read theory or ask people either because you know everything. I do not see any hint of fucking logic in your behavior.

Great depression, 2008 recession.

Healthcare

@Deleted User reread what i said fren

@BottlenekDolfin those were caused by socialism lel

Central banking is a socialist policy

Thats why its central

Hey sorry had to bounce for a sec

Just because somethingit failed doesn't make it socialist

How do i know communism is wrong if i dont talk to communists? Thats what u said pug.

Yes

@PugSlugger capitalism didn't emerge naturally

I hope you're joking

That doesnt mean all my knowledge is from tankies lol

@celeryman2020 nope

Is this dude ancap or somethin?

@celeryman2020 when was the american capitalist revolution?

Prolly just a cap bootlicker

The american revolution was a liberal revolution

And you don’t talk to communists in any constructive manner. I would be happy to give my perspective, yet the only thing you do is throw shit on the fan. Are you a troll or just a very irrational dude?

@BottlenekDolfin im above labels

Oh watchout

We got an aBoVE LaBeLS over here

Lol the commie says im a bootlicker

I didnt mean to say im above labels

I just dont fit them

Above labels throwing around labels

https://media.tenor.com/images/a7efe4f227d99c4aa189688558d790e0/tenor.gif

You are a commie though? This is leftypol

Well for 1 think you fit cap

Lots more to leftism than communism

Capitalism is more of a natural economic theory than a government

It's not natural though lol

Explain

It's just an evolution of the feudal system

Hmm not really

Because feudalism doesnt have to be capitalist

@PugSlugger if capitalism is natural, why did siberian villages distribute according to need before the russian imperials came in? This makes no fucking sense

It's just slavery in a different form

Feudalism has more to do with military than economy

Does it?

Landlords aren't a military position

@Deleted User communism is for communes. It is naturally occuring in small communities. Once a community becomes a nation it falls apart

@celeryman2020 they are though lel

Thats the whole point

Yeh look at any small town even in the us

After the dark ages, people formed feudal society because militaries could be raised from a heirarchy

@PugSlugger was revolutionary catalonia a small commune tho? Tens thousands of people

The landlord summons his vassals and sends them to the count then on and on

Capitalism devolves into something damn close

Not really

Was free territory a small commune? It is as big as Norway

There are thematic similarities but its really apples and oranges

@Deleted User my dude free catalonia was anarchy and a murder pit

They tortured priests to death to prevent dissent

You could say capitalism devolves into communism

Not feudalism

How??

Would you like to know how?

Lol im glad you asked

Capitalism is from England

@PugSlugger yet anarcho-syndicalism was established and the production went up.

They could have done it without killing the clergy tbh

We are talking about economy I thought

Western propoganda is just that communsim/socialism is bad because soviet union was the enemy

Because as businesses get big, they have more money to throw around. Everyone needs money, even politicans. As the corporations band together, they buy out the government slowly gaining more protection against capitalism from naturally eating at their superiority. Normally, when a company gets too big, they dissolve to to market changes and pressure, see the auto industry. When these large industries were failing, they use governmental power to stop their fall.

@PugSlugger also Syrian Kurdistan

Rojava

So capitalism is natural because plutocracy? Trickle down economics?

I'm not sure I'm following how this makes capitalism 1) natural or 2) a good thing

Look up free market communism

Look up worker owned companies

So if I wanted to open a business in socialism, how would that work?

You pay people what they're worth

How would I get the money to start a business?

The value they create

Grassroots funding

One of the big flaws of capitalism is that for some reason ppl think we need the gross excess of consumer products to function.

Herein lies the communism comparisons. The businesses, because of their "too big to fail" policy that they have bought through the government has become the downfall of capitalism. Now, companies like amazon, general motors, etc., are becoming state run, socialized businesses like from the ussr. We have become so worried about the defense of capitalism that we have turned it into communism.

If your idea isn't needed there's no capitalism to say it's special

That is why current american capitalism is closer to communism than feudalism

No investors to make you into a cash cow

There

Lol

In capitalism i get a loan from a bank, I pay for a franchise, then I pay the bank back with profits until I cover my starting cost

Theres your answer

Yeah and you can do the same with the people instead of the bankers

@BottlenekDolfin or create your own

No ownership needed

A people owned bank?

The people themselves

No middle man

Banking also isnt capitalist

Lol

@PugSlugger how are crony monopolies close to stateless, classles and moneyless societies?

The ownership of capital and it's trade in exchange for ownership of labor is Capitalism.

Whatever else that's used under a system like that is trivial

@Deleted User wew ill write more paragraphs if you want lol

"not capitalism" doesn't matter when the system as a whole is based on the ownership of labor and exploitation of the working class

Basic marxism is just that it's in the business owners best interesr to treat his workers has poorly as he can

No one but the laboror owns the labor lol. Didnt you ever hear "is a man not entitled to the sweat of his brow?"

Also yeah American Capitalism is not in any form close to Communism.

Maybe MLM but you need to stop talking to tankies

@celeryman2020 ok just dont read what i wrote then lel

I read it

In American, socialism is only for people over 65 who vote republican

UUUGGHH the goalposts

Ok

I understand what marx calls communism

If you vote democrat you are unlikely to love to 65

@PugSlugger man, just a check of where we at. 1) You do not equate command economy to communism, right? 2) You support free, unregulated market, right?

Live*

Stateless money less blah blah

Also @PugSlugger not true whatsoever. That's not even capitalist propaganda

Just a lie

But in practice its much different

It's in the republicans best interest to oppress democrats

Wage slavery is real.

Capitalists won't even deny it.

It is only real because of socialism ironically lel

No

Are you saying that it's in someones interest that I don't have job security and also I don't get paid enough for financial security?

Yes. Obviously.