not really i was responding to "mao and stalin did a better job" but i realized that they could be in reference to their resisting imperialism

which would be objectively true

have you read state and revolution

no

i honestly shouldn't be weighing in on these political debates anyways im an econ guy

you realize that most of lenin's work in that is just quoting and explaining marx and hegels quotes

and then applying it to political theory

but like... how can you justify the vanguard party im honestly curious

ask marx lol

you replace one means of control over the working class with another but this one i promise will be super nice

you need a transitionary method between captialism

workers still own means

Gonna head out guys. Nice talking to y'all! (Also all glory to the Jamahiriya ;P)

the state just distributes it

baibai

@not_matt we can easily justify. Democracy doesn't work. Democracy is a lie. We need to use something that works.

democracy will die in communism

whaaaaat

i am not on board

workers control of the workplace has to be democratic

@not_matt why?

ye

otherwise you've just dressed capitalism up in a new outfit

but in like full communism democracy would be a state apparatus

@not_matt Authority is far superior to democracy. Communist authority is necessary.

woah

i mean

not entirely

worker controlled sectors should be democratically owned by the proliteriat

and the state should distribute the goods

and run the markets

honestly am i counter rev if im becoming some sort of market socialist

are you a tito man

@not_matt that is usual for a syndicalist SJW to turn back to capitalism.

market socialism is ok in my book

it was never put into practice though

but worker control of the workplace is still my goal

ceo's get guillotined, dismantle means of oppression etc etc

oh shit i told my friend id take shots with him for his birthday

👌

but now im invested in conversation again

do both

Leftypol is more important than shots.

thats not true

frick

rekt

also i have discord on my phone

ill brb

So, Fyre Festival... how can we learn from Comrade Rule's example?

isn't fyre basically a rich concentration camp

One might call it that.

promise caviar

I'm completely serious about this and think we should start raising rappers to be the next Biggie.

market it at ceos

They'll pay for their own gulag!

@John Doe nice idea. How do you attract clients?

i got a good name for it

ancapistan

should attract some cancerous people

The fact that ancaps still exist is both hilarious and makes me want to hang myself

@Firefly

my friend converted from ancap to egoist

because i shattered his idealogy

lol

call it GOP conservative rally

wait thats white trash

Too obvious.

Or, I mean, we could get another RD Wolff speech.

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Hello

Who /FBI/ here?

Not I.

So what doe we talk about here?

Theory mostly.

International Guyanists Party repping here.

@Stavrogin we are building an International here.

So does that mean we can bitch about petty shit until someone gets mad and dissolves our organization?

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@Stavrogin Not sure what you mean.

It was a joke. Maybe it should be ignored.

Hi

What do?

Hello.

@socialphist Welcome to our community.

Anyone have any art requests? Nazbols need not apply.

@John Doe write a symphony honoring the work of the Marxist theoreticians that are alive.

No, I'm a cartoonist.

@John Doe USSR-chan needs your hand. We need to popularize this mascot for the whole left

@John Doe https://2ch.hk/pa/res/382992.html

Capitalism is the hydra and social justice issues are its heads. Only class is the heart of the beast. Destroy class and destroy the hydra.

@Firefly Well, really I'm more this kind of cartoonist.

So something along those lines.

@John Doe

Dominatrix Theresa May whipping Tories and preaching austerity, the Tories are clearly enjoying themselves.

On it.

Have any of you read much of Alex Cockburn?

@Stavrogin

Good. Can I suggest a similar one?

Sure.

Sam scenario, dom May and sub Tory. First Panel: Tory asks May to spit on him, calls her mistress. Next panel she steps on his crotch as he revels in ecstasy she shouts into his face "I'm a bloody difficult woman".

What is this degeneracy?

It's satire Dad! You wouldn't understand!

Ok, nevermind, I'm bored with this. Two is a lot of panels.

Fair enough

Thank you for executing my original request.

Np

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@John Doe USSR-chan slaps SJW abomination.

Thats for drawing.

Oh boy. https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1939/x01/index.htm

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_History_of_the_Communist_Party_of_the_Soviet_Union_(Bolsheviks)

What about it?

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hello

I am a political refugee

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@Verifirs we all are in here

So many new people. Welcome, brothers and sisters!

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We've got more than 10 new people here and they didn't even say Hi. How rude.

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Maybe they are here to spy on us from /pol? Could it be?

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Nope

@Verifirs completely impossible. <:caring:312066184948350976>

https://youtu.be/tt6ugiK7yWM

Drama on another channel

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Did something happen to the other leftypol discord server?

It was syndicated into two servers.

Again?

Yes. Syndicalists surprisingly follow their ideology.

If only we had the same persistence on the unifying, authority side of the left.

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Do you have the links to the new servers?

In a moment

They are so hyped atm on new separatist servers you can't even ask them for the link because they flame million messages. Old links are expired.

Did Snow delete the server with 1k active members?

Wow

Fucking hell

It is crazy

wait what

Would never do such a thing

where is unoficial leftypol?

What's the point tho?

is htis what u r talking about?

Yes

Yeah

Its gone

again

you are talking about unoficial leftypol?

Yes

Yes

it just disappeared

wtf

scroll up to see firefly's explanation

Snow eather deleted many or killed the server

Because of drama

Or somebody did it for him

Its podsible

What drama?

"muh votes" again?

Snow told me in private everything going great after the separatists made another one

And now boom

@Comrade Toveri some modes gone rouge and took part of the server with them to another one

wtf

Somebody contact Snow

I'm just a low-level semi-unknown user.

I dont know anyone from leftypol really

@everyone we have lost unofficial leftypol server. Please contact Snow to find out what is going on.

Schnitz happened lmoa

*again*

What's going on?

I was a part of the whole debacle, I can explain the events before. Has some new development occurred?

More drama, Nok

Please do Nok

I was also a part of the structuring of the new server, until I left for certain reasons.

Please give us you view on things from the beginning @Níðingr

Someone couped the server that Snow controlled and banned everyone

>contacting snow

lol

he cucked himself out of a server

Unbelievable

There were a lot of antecedent events which contributed to the final series of catalysts which broke the community. I could try to detail some of them, and provide a more robust analysis of what occurred, but I don't think it's really worth it.

To be brief: Josh and Schnitz were spamming shitposts in #general. Disco warned them multiple times to stop. They didn't. Disco kicked them. Snow asked what happened shortly thereafter. He was told what happened. Snow then promptly removed Disco's power and demoted him to Active User. Disco, reasonably upset, left the server. I resigned and left shortly thereafter. From there on out, I have no direct knowledge of the events of the /leftypol/ server, though apparently it turned into hours of hating on Disco. Hoodlum Ninja shared during that time some DMs between him and Disco wherein Disco was asking if Hoodlum had, or knew where to get, nudes of VOID. The server then used this to claim that Disco was a "pedophile" and started circlejerking and slandering him as that, even though VOID is 16 and Disco is 18.

Meanwhile, a new server was started, originally as a /leftypol/ split. I, among other users from the growing diaspora, was promoted to Commissar to help begin building the server. Disco left after seven or so hours, requested that I ban him from the server, and said that he decided to quit Discord politics for a while, particularly after the Hoodlum DMs were revealed. I was then the *de facto* co-owner and began constructing the server channels, permissions, etc. palestinian tire boy was (and may still be) server owner at that time. When he came online, we began working on the server. We needed to decide on the server government, so I suggested a delegative council democracy. They liked it and tasked me to draft a proposal. I did and the staff completely approved.

When it was proposed to the server, nobody cared or read it. After multiple attempts to get *anyone* to read my proposal and discuss it, with users telling me they didn't care and wouldn't read it, an argument broke out when one user began criticizing it and saying that rotation should occur. This led to a debacle and clusterfuck of confusion, eventually resulting in my choosing to leave the server because I thought I was the problem, since the server owner was considering leaving after I "sperged out" and threatened to resign because I refused to have a permanent server owner as a "benevolent dictator".

I have no idea how the new server is doing or what they did with all my work and ideas.

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This was the proposal, by the way:

Hopefully, that summary suffices, @Comrade Toveri and @Firefly.

@Níðingr Ty

@Níðingr but who the hell would kill the fkin enormous server.

What is the reason to that?

Hard to believe that the only reason was Disco and shitposting lol

But I guess if you say so?

Nok, how does one get into the lower council? All users vote?

@Firefly, the server began to disintegrate because the administration went rogue, rule of law was ignored, statutory law was borderline nonexistent and common law was unclear, shitposting and cancer was metastasizing, and the server owner (Snow) demonstrated that the whole democracy of the server was a sham by acting without consent of the governed in removing the co-owner (Disco). I had warned about all of these problems leading up to the crisis, but I was ignored. When the chain of events were triggered, the result was inevitable. Now, the server is in the process of dying (if it's not already dead).

I predicted all of this, by the way.

smdh nobody listens.

@Comrade Toveri, lower council membership would be determined by regular elections for new council members, exactly how it was done with Janitors on /leftypol/.

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server seems fine now lol

i just joined lol

@Níðingr Schnitz couped Snow's server.

more like he killed the server

Yeah. 820 people banned.

i didnt even have any notification

I mostly think it's hilarious because it was Schnitz, _again_

Leftist sectarianism would be funny if not so depressing

We literally can't even keep internet chat rooms from splintering sometimes smdh

You know I gotta hand it to you fellas, Cheers for not hounding me when I joined because I am a right-wing monarchist. I appreciate the notion that you all are willing to hve a decent conversation without yelling buzzwords and insults at eachother

@Ulstèr-Scotch I'm against an autism into our own little imaginary world. I think we always have to keep ourselves up for a good intellectual fight and conversation.

This link at time of writing will put you back on leftypol https://discord.gg/mREbnqv

Unofficial one

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@Níðingr I see, I didn't take part in the election on leftypol Janitors. Do you have the links to the new servers btw?

Oh nvm

Thanks Firefly

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<@147401250286075904> welcome!

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@Snow Welcome to our channel! <:caring:312066184948350976>

Feel yourself at home.

Separatism intensifies. There is another separate server for LGBT /leftypol/ now <:troll:312064734113431553>

Maybe it is Sun activity or something. Maybe it is Spring

@Snow Maybe you can tell us here what happaned so everybody knows.

why'd you invite me?

@sparrow <:lux:312044997513969676>

So you can be here

radical

I'm currently working on debunking a shitty PragerU video

because I am a masochist

That's sounds fun!

That*