Worship is worship, not Tengri. You are conflating words and calling it proof.

Don't bring up your transness, but otherwise. You can be a mother to children who have suffered too long in a cold system's grip.

You do the same with the idea that your god is just when all evidence points otherwise.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equivocation

i mean i think the kids would eventually figure out mommy use to have a penis

Eventually.

But you don't need to inform them when they're not yet fully developed.

ya i mean i dont see why i would be chatting to them about my genitals

Of course, just saying.

like i could see talking to them about their genitals to give them a basic sex ed primer but not mine

thats a lil weird

You seem more respectible then I first though.

@Deleted User Teach them to accept you. Above this, make sure that your significant other knows that you are transgender. It would be unfair to them otherwise.

uh ofcourse i wouldnt hide that from a partner

Of yes!

Not just for your partner

but for yourself

it can be very dangerous otherwise

Teach your children from an early age when they hold no false prejudices from society.

Transgenders need to go seek medical treatement

Teach them tolerance.

but just rarely would need to be brought to kids like until it effected them or they figured it out

@Deleted User They've been doing that.

i do seek medical treatment

i dont mean hormon replacement

i see therapist and counselers too im not sure what you mean

psycological help rather

You mean to repress their defect and make them become emotional mess for their entire life.

its a disorder same as scitzoprenia and etc

Because you beleive transitioning is 100% more dangerous then not doing it.

No, they know they were born one thing Silver.

It's not a delusion, it's a disire to be the other sex.

And acting out there of.

its a delusion that you can simply become other sex

at most you are a feminine male

but a male

every cell you have every skin cell every hair you have

its male

@Deleted User You do not need to fix anything that does not harm you as the individual. The greatest harm you face is the prejudice of society, which is not your fault.

Mentally and spiritally, they are very much females.

i mean ill always be male, but my goal is to be precieved culturally as a woman

it doesn't matter, and shouldn't matter, to how we treat these people based on the flesh.

well being perceived is other thing

but becoming a female from male

is just impossible

Of course, is anyone arguing against this here?

Is even @Deleted User saying this?

You can be a female sex and identify with the male gender

i mean my hormonal levels are female, my brain structure is female but yes i lack a womb or vagina

You're stating a redunant fact Silver.

Teach your children from an early age when they hold no false prejudices from society.

you were talking about brainwashing little kids werent you

*teach them tolerance*

they dont need to be tolerant toward un-natural stuff

Such as faggotry and cross dressing?

thats like saying be tolerant toward Scitzoprenics

faggotry is un-natural

Of course.

and is a recent thing that was not accepted ever

Once again, comparing it to a delusion.

before this generation

it is a delusion

No, it's not.

Delusion that you are *spiritually* female

You aren't listening at all.

*Oh, spirits don't matter, I'm a cool atheist*

i mean i would argue you should be tolerant towards schizophreanics, its a very debilitating disorder with most treatment options being ineffective , they are people who are suffering

*Oh, the mind doesn't matter, I'm a cool flesh only kind of goy*

i am not even atheist

i am agnostic

*I am going to define you alone by your flesh. And if you oppose me in this, I will go on to speak of you as being delusional*

Schizophrenia is also harmful to the individual with it. Homosexuality is not.

Same thing.

homosexuality is harmfull to society as whole

not just individual

*To be good belongs pre-eminently to God. For a thing is good according to its desirableness.*

How do?

all the propaganda about accepting homosexuality

How so?

that being gay is great

wut

It's far from great, just like transsexuality.

it is a disorded

and it should be treated as such.

It's sad. All of it.

But disorders don't have any one way of being treated.

*Therefore, since God is the first effective cause of all things, it is manifest that the aspect of good and of desirableness belong to Him; and hence Dionysius (Div. Nom. iv) attributes good to God as to the first efficient cause, saying that, God is called good "as by Whom all things subsist."*

- Aquinas

Tengri is God

An illness, mentally, is simply a possibly damaging mental defect or deformation.

it should not be *homophobic* and etc to research the cures however

No disagreements between us

i mean it is being treated as such. the treatment they are giving transsexuals is what they are finding is least harmful and causes the least amount of suffering.

So we agree God is good?

Of course!

Sure

No one who is gay or trans wishes to be so!

transgenders after Sex change have exact same rates of suicide

40%.

sex change doesnt make transgenders less suicidal

Reason shows God is good, it is not faith.

And Christianity is incompatible with that message.

Possibly it is that this is a very small group of people?

Refer to previous statements.

ya but its not really sexchanges are the only treatment, theres hrt, ffs, breast augmentation etc etc

kinda simplifying it to just go "srs suicide rates tho!"

wow chopin i love your work!

and none of them have good effects

Mentally, they do.

You assume your Christian God is good. I believe Tengri is good because Tengri does not have geographical favorites.

It's to fight the dysphoria which one suffers on a daily basis.

The same cannot be said of your god.

You believe he is good against logic.

Many transgender people transitioned later in their lives, could it be that they will never pass?

tengri is nothing

society playing into their Delusions is just pouring Oil on fire

And this is fact is life destorying?

tengri is a god which says nothing, does nothing, and demands nothing

You even calling it a delusion is retardation.

it is pointless

Indeed, who said a god had to demand his children to be his servants and slaves?

There is no such law.

so what you are saying is

a religion for the nihilistic

disgusting

Not an argument.

lets have all children who want to get a sex change

get it

No.

There needs to be strong regulations.

when i was 4 year old i wanted to be a girl just to go into Girls toilet in kindergarden

Tengriists create their own meanings in life, as we saw with Genghis Khan.

Nihilism and existentialism are not mutually exclusive.

I would never suggest this, but if someone is legitmately suffering from the disorder. THey need the transition.

if someone really took that seriously

and gave me hormone treatements

i would be ripped

I'm not just talking about a 5-year-old's dress up games.

*"We take from the doctrine previously laid down that God understands and loves Himself; likewise, that understanding and willing in Him are not something distinct from His essence. Since God understands Himself, and since all that is understood is in the person who understands, God must be in Himself as the object understood is in the person understanding. But the object understood, so far as it is in the one who understands, is a certain word of the intellect; we signify by an exterior word what we comprehend interiorly in our intellect. For words, according to the Philosopher, are signs of intellectual concepts [De interpretatione, I, 1, 16 a 3]. Hence we must acknowledge in God the existence of His Word."*
- Chapter 37, Conpendium of Theology, Aquinas
So where is the Word in Tengri?

I AM TALKING ABOUT A REAL ILLNESS

you fucking retard.

yes but its becoming a really retarded issue right now

Kids transitioning

and society being in awe about it

@Deleted User Because pumping your body full of chemicals and changing your name doesn't solve mental health problems

i have panic attacks cause i think people look at my transsexuality like that toilet example and avoid using public bathrooms, i peed my self cause of it like a week back and walked home crying

I agree, if they've not even hit puberty yet. THat's a STRONG NO.

so sex change only after becoming an adult

Sex change. Sure.

i could live with that than

but kids changing sex thats just immoral

Tengri gives his word through shamans for Mongols and the Bible for Christians

and retarded

He does not require you to learn it. You seek him out.

But what if someone is proven to have gender dysphoria and is like, say, 14? 15?

*"Since natural existence and the action of understanding are distinct in us, we should note that a word conceived in our intellect, having only intellectual existence, differs in nature from our intellect, which has natural existence. In God, however, to be and to understand are identical. Therefore the divine Word that is in God, whose Word He is according to intellectual existence, has the same existence as God, whose Word He is. Consequently the Word must be of the same essence and nature as God Himself, and all attributes whatsoever that are predicated of God, must pertain also to the Word of God."*
Tengri has no Scripture.

Should they be refused their transition while in the brunt of puberty? THat is, GRT.

he/she is not adult yet

*HRT.

he cant concent

get that poor kid on puberty blockers stat

You have to understand how Mongol life worked on the steppes.

oh 14-15 years are not able to give concent

hence cant fuck with older man

@Deleted User except puberty blockers have horrific effects

Mongol culture did not breed scripture. It bred shamans that connected personally with Tengri.

but lets fuck their lifes over

and make them childless forever

Either way, Tengri shows his scripture through agrarian societies as well.

cut off their Dicks

No, it'd fuck their lives over further to reject them from transitioning. THey'll do it as adut and find it insufficent.

lets mutilate them

about as horrific effects as a unhealthy teenage soda habit

I am not talking about sex change before 18.

It's 2:13 and I'm going to sleep soon. @Deleted User let's continue this later, I'll let you have the last word.

hormone blockers still causes shitty effects

And they'll end up KILLING THEMSELVES.

what about those kids that transition

Yes, but it's a price that the person must pay to find any ahppiness and security in their flesh.

and than see they are actually not really trans

@Deleted User sure, because soda causes sterility

and did it for attention

they will KILL THEMSELVES

This is why we have a stern regulation on it.

no

@Sultan Baibars#2673 Thanks for the chat.

we dont let anyone below 18 go thro sex change

And besides, it's not as normal as you may think.

oh the horrific effects are the intended treatment effects i see

thats the solution

This was caused by feminism.

of course it was

Do you have a last statement before I leave for tonight?

and also Pregancy pills

You want to save what, tops 100 lives so that 200 other people will kill themsleves?

@Deleted User how is sterility an intended effect?

less fertile females like less manly man

hence why you always see beta males hanging around feminists

and hence why feminists hate masculinity

its all a big propaganda

because the sterility is caused by the lack of testosterone and testosterone causes masulinization

@Sultan Baibars#2673 No, sir. Have a good rest.

that so idiotic, i cant believe you wrote that @Deleted User

You too @Deleted User nice conversation

uhhh its... just sorta the reality its not idiotic...

It's not an intended effect, but it happens because the sperm cells are completely stopped producing due to HRT, most of the time forever.

hence fucking over someones life forever

@Deleted User its not reality how is sterility an intended side effect of delaying puberty?

when they cant even give concent

so good job you played yourself

No, I didn't.

delaying puberty up till 16 is very unlikely to cause sterility

Should they kill themselves at 20? Just becuase you're scared for a small, intenselysmall minority of an already small minority.

Does not mean that a larger group of people should be left to kill themselves because of them.

@Deleted User so you basically conceeded your argument.. either way, its only a single side effect, there are other things like increased cancer rates.

sun screen increases cancer rates

iron Cross now you are wrong

@Deleted User deflection

ok

its not minority of cases

its actually majority

40%.

it is, just because one thing does the same thing does not justify why the original thing is a good thing

That's still a lot, but it is not a majority.

40%. that kill themselfs

and how many suffer from it is unknown

like every medical treatment has side effects, its a question is are the benefits out weighing the potential side effects

yes, and like i said earlier: Pumping your body full of chemicals and changing your name doesn't solve mental health problems.

But there could be even more people who kill themself becuase they never even attempted to transition.

It's a *DEEP ROOTED* depression.

yes see its just a disagreement with the idea its self, despite the medical community at large disagreeing with you some rando on the net

@Deleted User Don't forcefully change your gender identity. It never works and many people fall into depression from it.

i think ill trust doctors over you

its already happen

@Deleted User yes and the scientific community believed the world was flat once

False.

no it didnt

Historically false meme.

Just pointing it out.

ok, my point still stands, just replace it with the aether

ty for the correction

go to bed tengri-anon

smh

consensus does not dictate fact

Yeah I should sleep now

Night everyone

u should thank me

4 reminder

Thank you brother

Well, to the best of our knowledge, it is most healthy to allow someone to transition when theya re proven to have gender dysphoria.