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2017-06-11 05:03:16 UTC

There is still one last problem, unfortunately. http://www.age-of-the-sage.org/faith-vs-reason-debate-2.jpg

2017-06-11 05:03:27 UTC

It specifically mentions grace, *"Grace is favor, the free and undeserved help that God gives us to respond to his call to become children of God, adoptive sons, partakers of the divine nature and of eternal life" (CCC 1996)*

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People born in certain geographies have a greater likelihood to be brainwashed by other faiths.

2017-06-11 05:03:58 UTC

No, it is not like Tengri thing. It has specific requirements.

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Does God account for this?

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People brainwashed?

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They need to be able to overcome this

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and accept the true faith.

2017-06-11 05:04:41 UTC

Yes, God accounts for all conditions. *"The desire for God is written in the human heart, because man is created by God and for God; and God never ceases to draw man to himself. Only in God will he find the truth and happiness he never stops searching for" (CCC 27).*

2017-06-11 05:04:55 UTC

But clearly if you look at it statistically it would be worse for someone to be born in Saudi Arabia than the Vatican.

2017-06-11 05:05:16 UTC

Would it be fair to judge them both on acceptance of the Gospel?

2017-06-11 05:05:40 UTC

Hmm, I'll leave that to Mros.

2017-06-11 05:06:33 UTC

It is fair to judge them if they have the truth before them and reject it.

2017-06-11 05:07:00 UTC

But clearly if you look at it statistically it would be much worse to be born in Saudi Arabia

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As in highly likely that the man born in Arabia never accepts the Gospel compared to the Vatican

2017-06-11 05:07:54 UTC

It is still fair

2017-06-11 05:07:56 UTC

I assume God would make an exception for this?

2017-06-11 05:08:17 UTC

It depends, do they know about Christianity? If so then yes it's fiar.

2017-06-11 05:08:45 UTC

Eh, well

2017-06-11 05:08:52 UTC

This is why the followers of Christ are called to preach the word unto all nations

2017-06-11 05:08:56 UTC

What if they never truly explore Christianity because they have been raised to reject it in favor of another religion?

2017-06-11 05:08:59 UTC

wouldn't it also depend on their level of knowledge?

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If they just knew there were people called Christians, is it still their fault for rejecting it?

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They had to concsiously reject it

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Or would they have to know of the bible, at least the largeer moral principles, and so on?

2017-06-11 05:09:51 UTC

Wouldn't this mean it would be better to not spread the Gospel at all

2017-06-11 05:10:08 UTC

No, because the people still have to live moral lives despite the lack of knowledge

2017-06-11 05:10:14 UTC

Okay, just making sure I understand.

2017-06-11 05:10:16 UTC

Which isn't every case

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Why? It would make it harder for them to go to paradise.

2017-06-11 05:10:35 UTC

I mean, if they raped a child and beheaded their wife...

2017-06-11 05:10:50 UTC

People without God are more likely to do this?

2017-06-11 05:11:01 UTC

I mean, they can't live 100% Christian lives. But they can be good by what their heart calls them to do.

2017-06-11 05:11:23 UTC

IE God's pulling them toward goodess.

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Then Christians should not spread the Gospel

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Because it would make it harder on pagans.

2017-06-11 05:12:19 UTC

It wouldn't make it harder. There's no guarantee that they'll live moral lives having no knowledge of it.

2017-06-11 05:12:43 UTC

Pagans have a higher chance of living immoral lives that would send them to hell compared to Christians?

2017-06-11 05:12:48 UTC

Jesus Christ wants us to bring the whole world into captivity to the truth, and the truth is Jesus himself, who is "the way, and the truth, and the life" (John 14:6). Spreading the faith is a task not only for bishops, priests, and religiousβ€”it is a task for all Catholics (CCC 905).

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And yes, Pagans are more likely to live amoral lives

2017-06-11 05:13:35 UTC

So that is still geographical favoritism. Based on where you are born, you have a higher chance to go to hell.

2017-06-11 05:15:20 UTC

god just doesnt like people not born in the west

2017-06-11 05:16:50 UTC

Well even in the time of the new testament there were churches established in india so that isn't quite true

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and Armenia and Ethiopia were the first two nations to convert to Christianity

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But not in Papua New Guinea

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That's what missionaries are for

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Their salvation rests on the back of weak robed men?

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Just because someone is born in a Christian nation doesn't mean they will be saved.

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If anything, someone born in the US today has an even lower chance

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But we can agree those born in pagan nations have a higher chance to not be saved, as they have a higher chance to live immoral lives

2017-06-11 05:18:16 UTC

i keep having really strange experiences with time dilation

2017-06-11 05:18:22 UTC

What do you mean?

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So if someone born in the US has an even lower chance, is that still not geographical favoritism?

2017-06-11 05:18:34 UTC

That's called psychosis. Go see a doctor.

2017-06-11 05:18:34 UTC

Not really

2017-06-11 05:18:42 UTC

It's due to the current state of the US society

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That is not the fault of someone being born

2017-06-11 05:20:12 UTC

Of course. We are not clones that exist in mirror universes, every individual's circumstances is unique.

2017-06-11 05:20:43 UTC

I would feel bad for those who would unfortunately be born as pagans

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in pagan lands

2017-06-11 05:21:03 UTC

We do not know the true number of person's in heaven.

2017-06-11 05:21:07 UTC

Surely an all-good god cannot have geographical favorites

2017-06-11 05:21:19 UTC

like it will feel like 3 hours and ill look at the clock and its only been 15 mins, or it will feel like its been 2 mins but i look at the clock and its been a hour

2017-06-11 05:21:22 UTC

How can a just God have favourites?

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John 3:16 says otherwise

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Tengri holds no favorites.

2017-06-11 05:22:09 UTC

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

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How about you stop using 4chan

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There's nothing good there

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why would i care if you wre black

2017-06-11 05:23:40 UTC

Unless you are the gatekeeper of heaven, and know the hearts of all mankind, who are you to judge if God has favourites?

2017-06-11 05:24:04 UTC

Only God can truly judge the hearts of men.

2017-06-11 05:24:30 UTC

<@323330765440155649> Do you have anything meaningful to contribute?

2017-06-11 05:24:58 UTC

But now you are just adhering to faith without logic, like I said that "only Tengri can explain how different religions all lead to him"

2017-06-11 05:25:09 UTC

i dunno his content is about as good as this argument

2017-06-11 05:25:51 UTC

Man 4chan people sure are vulgar

2017-06-11 05:26:00 UTC

I ain't even a commie fam

2017-06-11 05:26:46 UTC

Too much Ritalin?

2017-06-11 05:26:59 UTC

Pepe is the worst

2017-06-11 05:27:22 UTC

>not saying normalfag

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Looks like you're the real normie

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Lol fam I'm white

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No thanks, CIA

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I'm a law abiding citizen, FBI

2017-06-11 05:30:14 UTC

Chopin who even runs this discord?

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Shut up

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fuckig kill yourself

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I'm not even a communist

2017-06-11 05:38:32 UTC

dude, you are a total nigger faggot

2017-06-11 05:38:40 UTC

cry me a river

2017-06-11 05:38:56 UTC

stop blowing up my notifications

2017-06-11 05:38:56 UTC

I'm pretty sure at least 25% of the people in this server aren't commies

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and that's a conservative estimate

2017-06-11 05:39:07 UTC

no, you are just lame

2017-06-11 05:39:12 UTC

exactly mros

2017-06-11 05:39:25 UTC

you arent even good at trolling

2017-06-11 05:39:28 UTC

This is a palce for Commies and non-commies to come and discuss.

2017-06-11 05:39:45 UTC

lame troll is lame

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Not for you to screech at commies.

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@Deleted User Kill these degens please.

2017-06-11 05:41:11 UTC

@Anglican not me man

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this guy is totally late

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**Claps happily**

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thanks mods

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holy shit my notifications.

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i was being blown up there for a while

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ty so much

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you can make it so it only notifies you for at mentions

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yeah, i should

2017-06-11 05:44:06 UTC

It feels like there is a worm slowly eating out my brain rn

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like, it's borrowing around inside my head.

2017-06-11 05:44:23 UTC

You should see a doctor

2017-06-11 05:44:46 UTC

wow, ouch. yeah what mros said

2017-06-11 05:45:04 UTC

I hope it's just a migrian...

2017-06-11 05:45:22 UTC

It's like a presure on the entire front of my head.

2017-06-11 05:45:33 UTC

Have you tried a ketogenic diet?

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**i'm dying slowly**

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I had bad migraines and it is the only thing that helped.

2017-06-11 05:46:16 UTC

I'll put that on my long list of things to look up

2017-06-11 05:46:23 UTC

ketogenic diets are for weight loss

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It was designed for children with epilepsy.

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they help for quite a few things, when i was a long distance runner, it really helped with my performance

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oh wow

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thats very cool

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yeah, it helped with my bonking

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its where when your blood sugar drops midway through a run

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but if you are running off of ketones, you cant bonk

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are you a professional athlete ? or just do it for fun?

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Amazing how diets can fix and prevent so many things.

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just for fun

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i definitely could have participated in marathons, but i never did

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and yeah, its amazing

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i used to swim a lot

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but i dont do much anymore

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i was on the water polo team in HS

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im too body concious to swim

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Who here surfers?

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i wanna get back to biking tho i use to do like 20 miles a day

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biking is rad

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i surfed when i was little

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@Mros not me, but my roommates are

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yeah, biking is awesome

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have to have a wet suit to do it here so expensive hobby

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Wetsuits aren't that expensive, are they?

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no, you can get a second hand one for really cheap

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sub 200

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i can barely pay my 450$ rent expensive for me i suck at saving

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yeah, focus on the essentials first

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its better to get a custom fitted wetsuit

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standard sizes are too difficult to work with

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I never wear a wetsuit tbh

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Do you ride underwater? Why do you need a wetsuit?

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you could prolly get away with a rash gaurd and some trunks if you went fuck it, waters normally about 50ish degrees here

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for surfing @Deleted User

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yeah, especially when they are designed for euro proportions and you are chinese (im assuming)

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delete this

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50ish degrees isn't that bad

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its not the point

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i got a long sleeved shirt from SK, and the sleeves went up half way by wrists

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i wear a sweater in 70 degree weather

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the temperature doesnt matter

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you could take cold showers to get used to the cold

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its for triathalons and such

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@小弟弟#3837 Don't worry brother, China makes everything

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nothing wrong with that

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i need to get a new job before i can get a bike

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most people who have wetsuits have somewhere to be after swimming

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or just dont want to be wet

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or are doing a triathalon

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which you absolutely need a wetsuit for

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people wear them here cause of cold mostly cause cold in water and outside it so you can get hypothermia rather easily if you arent young healthy and such

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what country are you from

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im in the us just in the northern part

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Wim Hof disagrees.

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You body can adapt to the cold.

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But it takes times.

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Like a sun tan.

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sun taning is dumb imho

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Not really.

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tans are ugly and unhealthy

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Wow, popscience much.

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There's a differince between tanning and sunburn

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few know this

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theyre only unhealthy if you arent wearing uv protection

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idk, i think it can be overdone

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Well of course

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and they are just ugly

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and i dont like the look either

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as someone who has had a tan most of his life living in SoCal

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pale is class and beauty

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wow, racist much?

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Pale is bourgeosie.

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>not having a farmer's tan

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pale is the color of someone who has not worked in his life

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you are bourgeoisie tbh chopin

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i work a lot just night shift jobs

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Night shift is more unhealthy than a tan.

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need a job now cause quit lel

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Gotta get those 8 hours

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its not just how long u sleep though

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i get my 8 hours just at a different time

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i take my vitamin d too

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reversing your circadian rythm is itself terrible

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and keep a good window light cover

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use the led lights in my room

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and have one yellow bulb

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My circadian rhythm is ruined

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I don't know how to fix it

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Stop playing vidya.

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Go to bed at a reasonable time every day

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between 8 and 10 pm

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It is 1:02 Am right now

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I'm not tired

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That's the problem

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Do you exercise?

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I get tired around 3:AM

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stop using electronics for a while like all of them, its a trip how well you sleep and how regimented you become

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