10/10 peak argument

Don't presume yourself worthy of entertaining, peasant.

Anyone got a good library for Marxist literature

There's nothing of substantive value to fascism. Its content is hollow, and has always been. Its all about *aesthetic,* after all, its orientation, its concerns and its objective. Its never about the *actuality* of the human condition, but always about its *aesthetic.*

I believe that Bapiro pinned one recommendations list by me

yeah its the fourth pin down

I'm a Fascist and I don't give a damn about aesthetics.

I don't talk about you

I talk about the movement as it has historically existed

It has always been about how the country or the culture *appear,* about the visions of a glorious past or a glorious future. This has always been Fascism's great selling point.

>there's nothing in the aestetics

oof

Tell me how Falange was only about aesthetics.

now that's spoken like true materialist

Falange was more substantive than, say, Italian Fascism or Nazism

Oh

It appears I have already found a great website

https://www.marxists.org/subject/index.htm

because it tried to come up with some kind of actual solution to the class conflict, but even then, it fails at the basic problem - the Control Problem, who controls the means of production and who doesn't

as Communism would have it, the Control Problem melts away

If there was one work I'd suggest for Soviet philosophy, it'd probably be *Fundamentals of Marxism-Leninism,* the major work from Khrushchev era which summarises everything very well and super comprehensive way

the book is 750 pages long and *begins* with an exposition of materialism vs. idealism and nature of reality, truth and cognition

so its pretty epic

there are other great ones of course, such as the works by Spirkin, Leontev, Ilyenkov and others

Mhm

I found a Fascist library link a while ago

If anyones interested I can go find it and link it to you

care to share?

I wish the Whites won.

lame

They could have probably won

But Russia would become a rump state

Rump state?

>the whites

It would be more powerful than USSR with its degeneracy would even dream.

Imagine

Imagine thinking a pro-tsarist system would ever work

Oh lord

Oh dios mio

Ahahahahaha

You’re joking right

the collapse of the Czar was inevitable

@Heterosexual Gamer Monarchist lmao no

@Heterosexual Gamer Monarchist do you have any fucking idea how divided the whites were

Collapse of Tsardom was inevitable after 1861

The civil war would have lasted much longer

And not to mention the dozens of nationalist movements

Hell, 1855

There's a very good chance that there would be another civil war, they were a lot like the Republicans in Spain, heavily divided, but only united because of a common threat

I’d say 1881 with the death of Alexander II

If the commies lost the Ukrainians would've had full independence

@Honey Beanger Alexander II was the root of the problem

the strength of the USSR was precisely that it was

a) internationalist
b) class based

so it was able to not only beat back the whites using the unified lower classes, but also was able to expand beyond the Empire's then-borders *because* it could accommodate everyone

His early forms and Emancipation fucked the tsars

@The Real Head Honcho How liberation of slaves is bad?

Okay let me put it to you like this

If emancipation never happened the system would have collapsed into bloody revolt much earlier

oh yes

it would've fallen sooner

For hundreds of years your entire state and economy runs on a serf-based state

Its established and entirely dependent on that

the 1905 revolution would've come sooner and instead of being failure would've succeeded, bare minimum

All of a sudden, that is abolished with no clear alternative, and the nation plunges downwards economically and socially

Tell me that is a good choice

In any capacity

The nation really didn’t plunge downward economically

It opened the door for industrialization and allowed the peasants to migrate to centers of industry

@Honey Beanger export and foreign investment plummeted until the 1890s

you had the communists and Narodniks and a whole bunch of people spreading revolutionary ideologies of varying types among the Russian lower classes who were embittered and angry, it was always going to end up this way

For a good 20 years Russia was in free fall

the Empire was stagnant and was going nowhere

The empire was stable until the emancipation and liberalisation

Yeah the 1890’s boom wouldn’t have happened without emancipation

Yes, they were behind, but a gradual transition would have helped them catch up

The emancipation was the most ill-conceived, badly implemented solution to the problem possible

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And emancipation has already taken place in certain parts of the empire, namely the Baltic provinces as well as the former peasants of church land

Not to mention the fact that the Nobles, who at the very least kept a lid on things, were now replaced by Kulaks

Who were literally just peasants that exploited the vacuum

"the Empire was stagnant and was going nowhere" That's bullshit. Also fun to hear that from a Soviet fan.

no u

The empire was stagnant, sure

And was falling behind

Wrong

Do i need to get my big book of statistics?

Do i really need to do that at 6:45am?

Because i will

Put your dick away I was talking to the guy who said no u

Sure

> And emancipation has already taken place in certain parts of the empire, namely the Baltic provinces as well as the former peasants of church land

yes and also Grand Duchy of Finland had no slaves to speak of, at any point, as it operated on an entirely different, much more Western Enlightenment type system

Everyone thinks you're very smart

@εïз irma εïз im confused are we saying that russia was stagnant or that it wasnt

Yeah Finland under the empire was weird

Who are you agreeing with

I'm a fence sitter

Based

Finland had its own senate, army, laws, borders, taxes, currency 😄 it was fun times

I didn’t say Finland because it never had serfs to begin with so there was no emancipation

Nothing matters but spiritual purification through holy war

I wouldnt say it was crumbling by any means, but it was certainly lagging behind

There hadn't been an industrial revolution, the state was an agrarian one and infrastructure was weak or non-existent

HOWEVER

The state itself was very strong internally

And there was not even any kind of major brewing anti-tsarist movement until after the emancipation

Oh the Empire was strong with repression sure. No doubt about this - it was the originator of forerunners of both the gulag and the NKVD

You mean the Okhrana and the exile system?

Yeah it doesnt take a genius to see the links

yeah, the Soviet forms were intensifications of those, but they were the original forms

Only difference is the soviets had more guns

ye

And more fences

probably wasn't the best idea to sent Stalin to labour colonies

Plus, the gulag system was an actual labour system

Rather than just "okay you live here now lol"

Soviets didn't make situation any better. Most of what Soviets achieved was laid down by the Imperials and was carried out very badly. Soviets ruined and betrayed the country and caused most of Russia's modern problems.

yeah tbh

@Heterosexual Gamer Monarchist wrong

Lenin? Sure

Stalin? God no

Uh....the Soviets made Russia what it is today, in more ways than one can count

Stalin > Lenin I say this as a man who dislikes both.

Stalin literally rebuilt the system from the ground up and burned anything that wouldn't comply

like they literally made it into a great power

as opposed to a "great-ish power that loses to Japan"

Lenin was an incompetent economist and statesman

He was a man of ideology not a man of politics or economics

He showed that very clearly

@Xinyue It would be better if the Imperials continued what they're doing.

As for stuff being laid down by imperials

Lenin was a revolutionary philosopher first and foremost yes. He created the USSR, but the task of completing revolution in practical terms fell to his followers, inheritors of his mantle.

If Stolypin hadn't been assassinated in 1911, and his agriculture reforms had been given another few years

Yeah, maybe

But as it was there wasn't much at all to work with other than Witte's scramble for industrial reform

Which was hardly monumental

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White Army was gay

go away Cake

Also he Lenin ruined the remains of the Russian economy and industry

Absolutely trashed it

If the White army was gay then the Red army was tranny.

Imperial soldiers responded "quite so" or "not quite so" instead of yes and no sir.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p07EM8zea7Y

how about this

@εïз irma εïз

The entire russian civil war was a clusterfuck

And to call them "armies" is a massive overstatement

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When Estonia almost takes Petrograd you are in trouble

It wouldn't happen to begin with if not traitors.

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I'm not white.

Might as well be

If Kolchak had recognized Finland, Petrograd would have fallen

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