@Xinyue speaking of regurgitated anticommunist arguments

something which was rightly condemned and decounced during de-Stalinization

there were many problems in the early period, and these problems were necessarily emergent because of the nature of the Czarist era Russia on one hand and the nature of the transition and the first world war on the other hand

Purges were the only thing that Saved Them

wtf

They removed all the 👃

In 1933, 6,114 people classified as "outdated elements," which is both a strangely innocuous name for people so unwelcome they were sentenced to death, as well as a pretty sweet title for our '80s techno band. The outdated elements were sent to Nazino Island in Siberia. 27 of them died on the journey.

the gulag system itself wasn't *invented* by the Soviets, but rather inherited from the Czarist era, much like the secret police itself. These were historical institutions in the Russian Empire, passed on

Anyone who tried to escape was hunted for sport by the soldiers. There were no shelters or animals on the island, little vegetation, and absolutely no food. It didn't take long for the prisoners to start eating the dead, and then helping the living become the dead a bit faster so they could eat them too. Here's a detailed account of a girl stranded on the island who suffered this very fate, but you shouldn't read it without first looking at pictures of kittensfor an hour.

We should label the entire New Left as outdated elements and send them to Gulags

then I'd support Socialism

the Gulags were mistake in my mind

and they were rightly abolished post-Stalin

why

because there's actually no moral justification for it

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cuck

I get that there exists this whole gathering of people today who, imbued with edgy online culture, think that the more edgier and brutal something is, the better that thing is. And I take most of that talk as just banter, but honestly sometimes I worry if there are people who unironically live and breathe this kind of worldview.

How can someone read that article i just posted and not want to send them to a Gulag tho 😩

He also believed that animals will sometimes give birth to different kinds of animals because there is no such thing as a "species" in nature. Stalin was so in love with these theories that he declared them the official scientific doctrine of the Soviet Union. Anyone who opposed them was either imprisoned or executed. In the end, about 3,000 biologists lost their jobs and/or life because they dared suggest that a dog couldn't give birth to a cat if it just wanted it bad enough.

Because that is not how wholesome people act, Storm. That is how fundamentally damaged and broken people act in relation to others.

I take it you're against the Death Penalty then..? @Xinyue

*crickets*

Now I'm going to state a possibly controversial opinion, I think familiarizing people with violence isn't always a bad thing.. i haven't completely formed an opinion on this but.. in the past there used to be all kinds of things crucifixions n all.. and people used to be hardy, see that as just punishment for someone who wanted to subvert their society..

now people are more meek, and tolerant, part of that i think is required for the functioning of Democracy, but since i don't see democracy as a virtue, I'm beginning to question all these feminine morals and injunctions against violence and barbarism as well..

Oh my god

Again, i don't have a fully formed opinion on this, could be that this is completely counter productive to my actual goals.. but I'm contemplating 🤔

The grass always seems greener on the other side

You're becoming fascist

I prescribe Prozac

And lots of rest

I'm a respectable Monarchist Still 😎

Come to Holland, we still got a king

I do see fascism in some ways as the modernization of that Tradition, but I'm not very fond of it..

It's not

Fascism resolves around a lie

wot

That the human will is dictative above logic and reason

Just because you want something doesn't make it true

Or legitimate

To illegally pursue

I'm not following

Fascism is the dictatorship of the collective

Essentially

ye

Idk I'm tired

Can't do this anymore

schleep

In the end

Nothing will change

And our lives shall always be dictated by elites

That we will never see in our lifetime

Wether it's Stalin, Hillary Clinton the CIA or the KGB

Bring back the God-ordained Emperor

> Fascism is the dictatorship of the collective

Fundamentally untrue. Fascism is the dictatorship of the state and the highest tiers of the state leadership to be exact; Fascism, due to its repudiation of democracy as being unconducive to the Fascist spirit, cannot be collective dictatorship because the collective would only be able to execute a collective will as emergent through democratic institutions. Communism can be considered to be dictatorship of the collective, but not Fascism..

Russia considering banning Google and Facebook

Thank you, comrade not gay

Er, nice picture you got there

Probably a good idea. Although it has nothing to do with degeneracy, it has more to do with the fact that Facebook and Google are tools of the U.S deep state to exert control and intelligence gathering around the globe. Most sane nations would reject these services to be honest.

Nah fam the cowboys are gonna take it this year

Silicon Valley is an example of the elite oligarchs putting social outcasts in control of normal people and using their resentment against us

That's far fetched

Silicon Valley is I think the peak example of capitalist power consolidation via the means of production.

Silicon valley is entrepreneurship

you have a bunch of private property owners who in essence have power to take down entire nations if they so choose

You gotta hand it to em

Silicon Valley is a concoction of the deep state you fucking normie

They will get arrested if they do that

Oh

Wow.

Implying that deep state and the capitalist class aren't inherently linked you brainlet @FreshWholeMilk

😁

They are, of course, but my point is that this isn’t merely “the free market at work”

We're living in the age of false teachers

As prophecied

Capital and power always consolidates, it is their natural tendency

https://www.rt.com/russia/446278-google-blocking-russia-illegal-websites/

so any free market will end up in a state of power & capital consolidation

Are you an actual commie?

this much is inevitable

oh

of course

Lol gay

```Lol gay```
- the supreme right-wing argument

I’m not “right wing”

if you accept the premise of private property, yes, you are

“Right” and “left” are revolutionary enlightenment constructs

Russian Autarky is thoroughly welcomed

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any term or concept is a construct

so "muh right left only spooks" is stupid, any given concept is

What if the US just annexed Russia and get it over with

It’s a false dialectic for dumb people to buy into

any concept is constructed

All revolutionary ideology is worthless

....that's rather hot take

Modernity is just the process of man trying and failing to find political solutions to his spiritual ills

Yeah...

Modernity is the condition emerged from development of new technical and material conditions

as was feudal era before it,

and the pre-feudal era indeed before it

That’s just economic determinist gibberish. You’re no different from the capitalists you hate in attributing everything to mindless economic processes

Take me down to the paradise city where the grass is green and the girls are pretty

Oh won't you please take me hoomee

Calling something "economic determinist gibberish" does nothing to assail the point. Furthermore, there's very clear measurable difference: I hold entirely different view on property relations

so the statement was just factually incorrect to begin with

Why did the USSR collapse if it was so great

It’s all from the same poisoned root. Marxism, capitalism, Darwinism, Freudianism, they all have the same valueless basis in the end

Yep

The age of false teachers is real

We're living in the end times

Have you even read Yockey?

Nope

What is it

Francis Parker Yockey, Spenglerian philosopher who wrote *Imperium*

> Why did the USSR collapse if it was so great

Every society that has hitherto existed, has collapsed and the ones that aren't will probably at one point or another. And USSR had a good, almost century worth of going, and it spread its influence throughout globe. It did fairly well, all things considered, and leaves many other societies in shame

America exists since 1776

The USSR collapsed because the oligarchs ordained for it to be so, the entire “Cold War” was a giant banker concocted dialectic that was designed to lead to economic convergence

Gorbachev was a globalist asset

america collapsed on itself

fought itself

then rebuilt itself

Gorbachev was an asset yes. I think that USSR was set on the path to destruction, albeit slow one, following the bureaucrats' coup against Khrushchev in 1964

The American Revolution was just another Masonic banker funded revolution

The USSR was set up by the Anglo-American establishment to destroy Russia. Have you even read Quigley?

Soviets were in actual fact supported by Germany to undermine Russian effort in the first world war, that was the major external support given to bolsheviks.

It royally backfired of course

*grabs popcorn*

They were supported with massive amounts of cash by the City of London. London was historically the biggest promoter of communism

what in the name of unholy autism

Those limeys

I find all these "X group controls the world as a cohesive entity throughout history" explanations to be honestly laughable and worthy of ridicule, mostly because the whole postulation fails at the very basic level, all people are driven by divergent motives and desires. Even Marx and Engels did not treat the bourgeoisie as some nebulous cohesive group that single-mindedly act in their own interest at every turn, and predicted that some members of the bourgeoisie would join the proletarians in revolution - which they did, in nearly every country that experienced revolution.

Communism is the bankers best friend. Do you know that Marx did not oppose capitalism?

Marx and Engels, demanding the abolition of capitalism, were quite the opponents thereof.

Idk what to think of this

@εïз irma εïз FreshWholeMilk is insane

He thought it was a necessary stage on the way to communism

This is high level shitposting

Have you ever read Marx

have you ever read siege

yes, it was a necessary stage in the historical process, but they weren't *for it* and recognised that time was now ripe for its destruction

Do you know that Marx was a cousin of the Rothschilds?

The natural way of behavior of man is to trade things.

@Xinyue They don't have to operate single mindedly, I don't believe they do

First of all, no, I've never heard of this; second of all, I would like evidence; third of all, this is irrelevant - I have nothing in common with my cousins.

All of them European Jews are related

There are cultural differences between jews and other groups, as with any population

I'm not entirely surprised

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jews are generally very successful, are they not?

@The Big Oof there's of course no reason to think that they do, but lots of people are betting on them acting as single minded group

be that for whatever reason you want it to be

I dom

Read Carrol Quigley’s *tragedy and hope*, he was a *supporter* of the Anglo-American establishment and admitted all this stuff

I don't think they act of one mind

There's a lot to suggest they don't

But they do have different views

as with any group

from other people

that's all irrelevant Fresh, what matters are the arguments made and the theory presented, and how it was picked up by Lenin and the USSR and further developed etc

you honestly think you got some kind of gotcha, but no communist would care about this stuff

How were living standards in the USSR compared to the West

I'm gonna give myself meme roles

What is up fellow anarcho-communists

The USSR was created and controlled by the bankers retard. It was never intended to be a global system. It was never intended to be the final revolution. The “final revolution” is for you to *die*, along with 90% of the earth’s population

@Nikitis in historical perspective, that understands that conditions aren't products of superstructure but the base structure, and which understands that the base structure is never stagnant or that it never emanates from ideas but instead material and technical conditions, we would conclude that the question is immaterial. What the living conditions were over 30 years ago is not relevant to the stage of development in 2018.

I read that a sense of privacy didn't exist in the USSR is that true?

And living conditions were consistently rising in USSR, population was growing and the education levels were rising, etc. It was going pretty well until the era of stagnation triggered by Brezhnev's failure and then later driven to ground by Gorbachev

Why did Brezhnev fail?

Every revolutionary movement has been leading up to the final revolution, which is for you to *die*

The final revolution is technocracy and transhumanism

Revolutionary movements are environmentalistpilled

And the elites killing all of us Proles

He and the clique he represented - the Kosygin gang etc. - were ultimately bureaucratists and the stagnation stemmed from both the excessive bureaucratism and also from the fact that Kosygin introduced profit rationale to the way Soviet Union functioned. This, of course, was bad for a socialist economy that isn't meant to operate on profit logic. Socialised profit or not, its ultimately disadvantageous for socialism to adopt this.

```> Fascism is the dictatorship of the collective

Fundamentally untrue. Fascism is the dictatorship of the state and the highest tiers of the state leadership to be exact; Fascism, due to its repudiation of democracy as being unconducive to the Fascist spirit, cannot be collective dictatorship because the collective would only be able to execute a collective will as emergent through democratic institutions. Communism can be considered to be dictatorship of the collective, but not Fascism..```

A Leader/Monarch/Premier is in essence supposed to represent the collective will of the Nation, and guide the society to above all else, it's Preservation. Now that is the Ideal.

If they mess things up, all the problems they create are theres to deal with, they can't just shed responsibility after 8 years and leave.. they will have their head at the end of a stick and they are very aware of that..

It isn't ofc a utopia, there are complications with this model too.. @Xinyue

Yes but that's not a very viable "collective dictatorship". That is private dictatorship of the state leadership, in abstract argued to be collective. But not in actual fact nor in the effect.

Fascism is also gay

^

very gay

Agree

Fresh = Marxist Sage confirmed

It’s just as revolutionary as communism

....literally is reactionary by definition tho

Fresh = demoted confirmed

hey now

It’s literally a revolutionary movement

"History does not travel backwards"

literally is not a revolutionary movement

-Mussolini

Fascism isn't Reactionary at all

It is a Modernist ideology

It is revolutionary perhaps in the sense that it posits itself *in opposition of capitalism,* but ultimately in an effort to realise some bygone guild system in a reconstituted form.

Perhaps you see it that way, however, fascism itself does not see itself as reactionary @Xinyue

Especially not Mussolini

Oh fuck oh fuck holy shit oh fuck oh fuck this is bad holy fuck

It’s part of the same erroneous western trend of attempting to immenentize the eschaton

I know, its a label imposed by Marxists

but I'm a Marxist so

can't help it

😁

At least in what I read in the doctrine of fascism

And solve man’s problems politically

there's literally nothing wrong with reactionary politics

There is NO political solution to man’s problems

We should take the Marxists and put them on a boat and float them into the Pacific until they starve to death and then recycle the boat into dildos to own the libs

lmao

My tummy hurts it's probably aliens

Well yeah, I've also read La Dottrina but it certainly doesn't seem to be revolutionary to me.

How about this. Fascism is neither revolutionary nor reactionary, but it is fundamentally *interventionist* ? @The Big Oof

damn, just another word for reactionary

Yes, but since he rejects the label what am I supposed to do?! 😄

Every post-enlightenment political ideology is revolutionary, how hard is this to understand?

```And living conditions were consistently rising in USSR, population was growing and the education levels were rising, etc. It was going pretty well until the era of stagnation triggered by Brezhnev's failure and then later driven to ground by Gorbachev```

also about this mate, u totally don't take into account why this is unsustainable.. there might have been population growth at that time but integrating women into the work force and then Liberalising Divorce laws, you have a breakdown of the nuclear family in process which in the case of Marxists isn't misguided, it is very intentional and you never admit to this mate @Xinyue

Isn't the sole object of Fascism to intervene in the society which it sees to be in a state of decline?

The sole object of *any* enlightenment political ideology is to solve man’s problems politically

this fucking retarded argument people keep bringing up "oh standards are rising" it can rise from 0 to 1 and u can still say that

Are you guys still not swallowing the pill

swallow the capbol pill

> Every post-enlightenment political ideology is revolutionary, how hard is this to understand?

...no, that is not true. Contrary to what appear to be your observation, *history moves forward as conditions develop.* Its not that every ideology is now suddenly "revolutionary" by design, its just that the ideologies adjusted themselves to new conditions. This shift you see as revolutionary, and you assign the label to everything in this new age, but this doesn't mean that any of that is true or reflective of the actual development of society.

Fascism was unique to Europe, it's weird how Americans even discuss it as it is irrelevant to their nation

material wealth rising hardly means anything when you look at the trajectory of many societies.. it is a slow motion and somewhat comfortable death.

History does indeed move forward, but not in the way you think it does

Some brands of fascism are actually applicable to America, in some sense. Nazism isn't, but then again its not the only form.

The utopia you envision will never be created by man

it falls just as quickly and usually people just expect some kind of growth even if its contained or redistributed to give an illusion of growth

Fascism had to do with the catholic church which worships a man of flesh as God

I could see Mosleyism or Falangism applied to the U.S

@Nikitis Wot

Which deep down in the souls of men sparks fascism

aryan wasn't just its genes, it was also the spirit of the aryan

Hitler was literally anti Catholic

Fascism is the man taking things into his own hands

Catholics don’t worship a “man of flesh” lol

```Fascism had to do with the catholic church which worships a man of flesh as God```

....what? What is this? It doesn't make any sense

Yet he was also catholic

no part in this makes sense

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He was an Atheist

The Vatican financed the nazis

No, he wasn't, that was his public image @Nikitis

In private he took a very different stance

The Vatican caused mussolini to get in power

according to those close to him

Don't all Christians believe Christ was God in the Flesh? Is it not inherent to the Trinity? Christians haven't believe he wasn't since Arius.

The Vatican is ghey

Catholicism, as with Christianity in general, isn't the brightest of doctrines, but while it has connection to Fascist doctrines outside Germany, it didn't necessarily emerge directly from it

The catholic church preaches a man of flesh to be christ

Mussolini converted I think

who cares if they did, fascism was obviously a better choice over anarchists that killed priests

How