second of all

It can be inferred

you're wrong

What has been my main criticism of you this entire conversation?

Dude you call@me out for making statements with explanations but do the exact same

What has been my main criticism of you this entire conversation?

I will repost this until we get this clear

>argues definitions
>thinks he knows more
>screams ad hom

wdym

What has been my main criticism of you this entire conversation?

That you argue disingenuously.

You're not here to have an honest debate

Has been something I have restated multiple times

Your age puts this into context

This was what I was implying.

Imagine having such an ego that you think the only issue someone could possibly have with you is that you're so smart that they can't argue with you.

Imagine being that egotistical

it means you think you are without fault in conversation

Period.

However I don’t, I’m using correct definitions

my god guys this is internet

It’s more of a schooling on economics for you

well yeah I haven’t said anything wrong yet

Okay, so point to me to the socialist who said "socialism is market intervention"

I want examples.

Must be before the cold war

Socialism requires the market to be abolished

hence all market intervention is socialist

*The free market, you mean

Not the market

No the market itself

Markets exist without capitalism

MARKET 👏 SOCIALISM

I know

Mixed economies aswell

wait abolish the free market

@sɪᴅɪsɴᴏᴛʜᴇʀᴇ @The Big Oof Age is not an excuse. I didn't pull (or at least I hope I didn't pull) this shit at his age.

You think you caught me here, it's cute.

either way, not an excuse for retardation.

@(((El Gringo Narigón))) Regardless, saying he knows everything because he's young isn't an ad hominem, since it's not an argument.

An ad hominem has to be an insult in place of an argument.

*that is being used as an argument

no, I didn't say it was an ad hominem. Just saying that it's not an excuse

So abolishing the free market requires intervention

I didn' think you were using it as an arugument

Which proves my point

@sɪᴅɪsɴᴏᴛʜᴇʀᴇ Define free market

I just was pointing out that his age isn't a valid excuse

no it doesn't

Hasty conclusion

"Thing x does thing y in the process of reaching its goals, therefore anything else that remotely does anything similar is the same as x"

Spot the fallacy, or what was that you said, "I don't care about fallacies"

You should, you'll never convince anyone if you don't.

At least, anyone that can see you for what you are.

A market that has no state intervention , which also has the market forces acting on their own.

And yes in this case

Socialism requires market intervention

To abolish the market

Or even the free market

Someone uses their fingers to masturbate

Therefore

pissing is masturbation

I mean, you use your fingers

You can try and use any comparisons but it doesn’t dismiss my point

Any market intervention is socialist

A socialist policy

wtf

Everyone agreeing or disagreeing with you doesn't make you right or wrong. I would just like to point out that you've done a poor job of convincing anyone.

Honestly I don’t care what edgy socialists here would think

I’m just arguing my point

Argument requires a small amount of compromise and wiggle room.

you haven't even convinced me, someone which, I will reiterate, basically agrees with you on a lot

You can argue it all day, you're wasting your breath.

Nor do I care about convincing you

I’m not talking

time to rethink your arguments

Nope

bro thing is very simple

My arguments stand

you have burgoise government

that likes money

so sets up monpolies

just one of examples

wait a socialists agree monopolies are created by the state

That’s a new

They don't. You won't even allow discussion of the history of socialism, playing these childish games with webster's definition

doesn’t matter

If the history of socialism means nothing, then any word can be given any meaning

Capitalism is state intervention

the history of socialism does prove my point however, things like USSR

leizzes faire is when there is no govenrment intervention

The USSR wasn't socialist, it was the closest thing to socialism that will ever be accomplished.

Also, socialism has a deeper history than "the USSR"

It was socialist

it makes sense that you think that

But yes I know it has a deeper historu

But USSR is fairly old, 1920 stuff

Considering you use a Marxist-Leninist definition of socialism

Socialism predates the USSR by several decades....

Yes I know

I never said it didn’t

However the USSR was a socialist economy

State owned the MoP

Okay, so name a socialist pre-Stalin that said market intervention was socialism

You named the USSR

if you know a lot about socialism

Just give me a name

They probably didn’t say anything like that, they just wanted to abolish the market.

As Marx said aswell, socialism was the transition to communism

Socialism was set into place to abolish the market

Name a socialist who defined socialism as the state simply owning the means of production

By using interventionist methods

Marx wouldn't have seen the USSR as socialist

Probably would have

of

production

interventionism is abolishing the market forced

intervention is not owning means of production

Socialism isn’t just means of production owned by the state or workers

it also wants the market abolished

and also to secure the workers owning the MoP, the state must intervene.

its anything realted to state dealing with economic affairs of the state

It wants laisses faire economics gone....Market Socialism is a thing

If socialism is owning the mop, then regulation is not socialism if they don't own it

Yes it also wants to abolish the free market

Through state intervention

hence any intervention is socialist

Regulation is often done with the intent of making the market fairer. Be that an ineffective policy, it's not socialism even with this retarded definition @sɪᴅɪsɴᴏᴛʜᴇʀᴇ

Market interventions are not incompatible with capitalism
You do know Keynesian economics is a thing right?

Yes and it’s not capitalism

This guy thinks Pinochet was socialist

@The Big Oof nope

okay wait WHAT

Right

It reduced the market forced

I think I remember Sid. He's a retard.

@sɪᴅɪsɴᴏᴛʜᴇʀᴇ According to your retarded logic he was

So was Adam smith a capitalist?

woah woah

There’s too many people@here

Correct, and everyone thinks you're a retard

When the fuck did I say Pinochet was socialist LOL

I don’t even know enough about Pinochet

Dogpiling low-energy bints is capitalism.

Keynesian is not capitalist for starters

I don't even know enough about everything in the world*

Market intervention reduces the market forces and removes the free market

It is not capitalism and nor is it compatible

Keynesian economics is just taking place in a mixed economy

Which is not capitalist

@The Big Oof as you said market socialism requires the free market to abolished

This guy admitted he doesn't care about fallacies, and said historical context of socialism doesn't mean anything. We're wasting our time.

Through interventionism

Which is proving my point

Ownership is not interventionism

@The Big Oof it's entertaining though

when did I talk about ownership

I'm moving you to the meme channel

If socialism means *owning* the means of production

because that's where you belong

Then regulation isn't socialism of someone else owns it

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ladies and gentlemen

Another warrior of truth silenced...

Moved Sid into the memes channel

@Kazimir Malevich I've punished communists and SJWs who came here just to be disingenuous and smug. I figure nobody would want to join a server with a culture like that.

locking them in the memes channel is the best solution, I think.

They can still argue their point, and they aren't being censored

You sound like a college Dean of Diversity™.

Hahaha imagine if they actually did things for a reason

That’d be a riot XD

welcome @Deleted User @Apollo#5639 @jusa02 head on over to <#507040923884978176> and check pinned if you want roles

oh

Apollo more like Apollo 13

Because he's no more.

german russian alliance would be most epic

anglo-saxon nightmare

I would prefer for us not to associate with "germans".

kazimir i have heard that putin is responsible for mass altaic immigration

Immigration to or from Altai?

I haven't really heard of it.

from the istans

apparently moscow is full of istanis from the steppes

Ah, like Tadjikistan?

Yeah, they are used for cheap labour. Not too great, although I am not sure if that was a directive from the government.

I'd say it's just turning a blind eye on half-legal immigrants.

so the main minority in russia is asian

does that mean if russia gets to a similar situation as America

the le 56% face for russia

would just be finnish????

In regards to the general Asian minority, ye, but the Tadjik population doesn't have good rates of interracial marriages in Russia.

At least the Tadjiks that come to Moscow to work.

if russia becomes hapa it must unite with finland

and annex the istans

More like Russia should "unite" Finland.

genghis khan has an heir

and he is finnish

It's called Vyborg, not Viipuri

I hope I will live to this day when siberia is liberated.

voice chat anyone?

Do people miss the Casual chat because they're not used to seeing it so high up or do they ignore it?

well, there's no one there either.

Usual introverted behaviour

you seem fun. come join me in the voice chat.

i don't bite,

it's a fed that just joined and wants to record voice chat

u'll never catch me

Voice Chat is a danish plot

well this guy left bc he's a snoflace that cat handle opinions

lmao *snowflake

i didn't even talk politics

begone femoid

no

so nobody else wants to voice? that;s lame.

last time i got into a right wing discord someone tried to convince me the earth is flat

i assume yall are better than that

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hey guys have you ever heard about the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident

oops

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySPriFiZP8g

This guy knows his shit.

Shen Bapiro is shilling Market Socialism

Not epic

Lol

Fellas

Is it too late to save humanity

Humanity huh

It might not be too late to save the West

Considering nationalists are becoming a thing again

If the US disappears though i dont think anyone outside the US will miss it

If i was born 100 years into the future i wouldve moved to Mars

@Orwell the thing is though these nationalists are mostly Civ Nats

In the US they call themselves "conservatives"

Theyre really no different from liberals in that they engage in cult like activity

Civ nats are just wishful thinkers

When Bullwhip posts another great video

(but instead of "cringe" its "redpill" and instead of "lose sub" it's "gain sub" sorry I didnt find a good meme)

Also civnats are just bootleg cultnats

So when are cultnats gonna achieve the same pushing power kaz?

This does confirm that we do in fact reside within a social structure created by humanoid beings