This is why people want to just put the whole "communism never been tried crowd" on an island

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@RealBullWhip hey

Isn't it interesting that Jewish Subversives aren't successful in Goy led Authoriariocracies

What the Frankfurt faggots figured out is that class warfare wasnt working.....so they switched it up.

Its not that hard to figure out

There are a lot of "muh cronie capitalism" dudes who argue that real capitalism has never been tried

Rich Amerifats already had a revolution

You cant use what worked in RUSSIA in the USA

etc.

as soon as you have a Liberal Democracy, they are free to subvert, in Socialist Poland and Hungary that didn't happen

USA didnt have the aristocracy like EUrope

@RealBullWhip my account got shoahed could I have an invite to that server the one with jd in please

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@Khat Emperor curpuratisum

```Upon his return, Adorno helped shape the political culture of West Germany.


tfw the supposed Guldural Margists apparently helped to shape the political culture of the capitalist Germany lmfao```

"capitalists" used y'all, just like they use ANTIFA, doesn't make Antifa capitalist..

"Fight the aristocracy! Fight the class system" ---- "Amerifats, we did that. 1776, bro"

Please explain how these cultural marxist are using marxism to subvert cultural, none of you said anything worthwhile up until now

So the marxist had to switch tactics

Shiet gubbermint tho @PunishedMuskovy

really easy to understand

shieeeeeeet gooberment

Egalitarian Liberty = Marxist Principle

and and and welfare

socialism!

can we at least agree on that?

> What the Frankfurt faggots figured out is that class warfare wasnt working.....so they switched it up.

***Press X to doubt***

what do the colors mean? i know red means ussr and orange china

Capitalists were shitting their pants for the better part of 20th century

Egalitarian liberty is more close to pre marxian french socialism

@Xinyue the trajectory matters mate

but im not sure if india went commie

in the early stages, socialism was very popular there

since then it went into decline

Wasnt workin in the USA, clown

seize the means of poo production

they saw it for what it was when the news started coming out of USSR and Socialism became a bad word

USA is irrelevant to muh "Frangfrund Sgool"

they all ended up in US

@Xinyue Yes, the anti colonialism was working fine in shitholes everywhere

@Xinyue i thought you said Hippie were a product of such

that whole school of thought

Just not the US

and they developed the theory in Germany, afaik @AdorableStormtrooper

am i wrong though

What wasn't working in the us ?

hippies

:dab:

US did also have enough of a worker's movement for McCarthyism to become a thing

the entire Post Colonislist Studies, Gender and Women's Studies and Ethnic Study courses are their giving

developed and perfected in American Academia

Wat ?

```US did also have enough of a worker's movement for McCarthyism to become a thing ```

Hollywood and Media elites are the Workers Movement?

So liberalism indentity shit is Marxist now ?

and none of it is Marxism. and even if your argument was correct, *which I doubt it is,* this only serves as evidence that this systemwas embraced by the single greatest opponent of Communism in history!

*identity

a bourgeois tool it is

nothing more, nothing less

sure

I'll agree

but that wasn't it's intention

no connection to the revolutionary Marxist movement 😁 glad we cleared this up, and confirmed the theory is horseshit 👌

bye

ciao

just call them what they are

hedonists

i should've been studying all this while

cultural hedonism is the best descriptor

**confirmed**

***deb8 me***

not even cultural

just

hedonism

pure hedonism

hedonists have always existed, never as organized and determined to take down the rest of the society with them

Slaneesh spawn?

SARGON NEED MORE DOPAMINE

man some of these people work hard, these SJWs knocking on doors, standing in the sun, working in academia, putting in the hours

I'm not sure all of them are hedonists in the way like ppl think of it

hedonism is a tool to a means

I must hand it to these fuckers though that they've managed to entirely co-opt the leftist movement in the West. Which, I suspect, was the original intention. I mean it has certainly served the elites well that there's no genuine Marxist mass movement 🤔

they just use pleasure and individualism to justify their wants

@Xinyue *in your opinion*

Few things weren't working for Marxists....the dialectical approach of classes wasn't connecting, and the cold war was active....so they switched tactics and used different names

they dont actually want to help people, they want the fame and rewards of helping people

Adorno's F-Scale is classic - you just dont know yet

Can I post a PDF here?

it has served the elites well tho, y'all are useful pawns 😁

well not the Marxists here i think

@AdorableStormtrooper in my opinion? there's objectively no connection between the writings of Marx and Engels and the ideology of these people. none. they took over, and this is actually the origin of the term *"New Left"* - juxtaposed against the *"Old Left"*, the left of marxian thinking

yes

<#507036888205623296> @RealBullWhip

ok

New Left were all Marxists who became PoMo

PoMo is a tool to a means

lmao fucking cultural Marxists trying to classify fascism

and in process stopped being Marxists

I ignore all of those fucks because their academic sophistry is pure circlejerking and none of it has any value.

Postmodernism and Marxism are irreconcilable

and the two usually dislike each other

They're not intellectually honest, but i guess this data you cannot comprehend

uHhHHHh fascism is when u mean and masculine >>>:(((

All of Frankfurt School thought on fascism.

Reworded a million ways.

PoMo and Marxism are irreconcilable

they are truly irreconcilable yes

but they only use PoMo as it serves them to the end goal

there's an underlying marxism

they're disingenuous intellectuals

can you identify this mysterious, "underlying marxism"?

and "muh eguality" is not sufficient quantification

The entire basis of the academic left post-WWII was based off of cultural Marxist ideas cultivated in the 20's and 30's which rejected Soviet authoritarianism and democratic socialism in favor of an intersectional anti-authority alliance.

the equation u identified with the base structure and superstructure, or that Marx did, they pretty much saw it as not a one way street, the New Left was a Psychoanalytical movement too, they saw it as a Relationship @Xinyue

It's a Hegelian/Marxist dialectic and it's documented history.

There is nothing conspiratorial about it.

They've infected academia ever since they came over on their banana boats during and after WWII.

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They think they can effect Material conditions based on how they can influence culture and morals of the ppl(goal being communism). It is derived from Marx, i guess you can claim it's a different movement..? @Xinyue

Lol what ? It has more in common with nietzchean thought than marxism(ie fouccalt)

What the fuck?

What does it have in common with Nietzsche?

?

I'm curious about your hot take on this.

And no, it's absolutely ripping the Hegelian/Marxist dialectic.

To say it has "more" in common with Nietzsche than Hegel or Marx is pretty laughable.

I've seen some qoute from fouccalt about how he rejected old marxism for nietzche or something,i need to find it

You saw some quote from Foucault?

> They think they can effect Material conditions based on how they can influence culture and morals of the ppl

literally anti-Marxist

I don't think you've read Nietzsche, Marx, or Hegel.

You poor sweet summer child.

Marx claimed the world specifically doesn't work like this

the entire thrust of Marx's and Engels' theory is that culture is downstream from material conditions

and cannot be any other way

@Xinyue read my previous comment

```the equation u identified with the base structure and superstructure, or that Marx did, they pretty much saw it as not a one way street, the New Left was a Psychoanalytical movement too, they saw it as a Relationship @Xinyue ```

so its not Marxism and cannot ever be considered a tool or expansion of Marxism because its divorced from the *foundational premise* of Marxism

plain and simple

Nietzsche's whole thing was about rejecting religious values which had sustained society until the Enlightenment in favor of the self-made man who creates his own meanings and morals. This is completely antithetical to the Hegelian/Marxist dialectic which blames misfortune on material conditions.

You have no idea what you're talking about buckeroo.

@Xinyue but u disagreed with when I said that both ancaps and commies look at culture and human interaction as downstream of market forces and here u are confirming it

not market forces

Cool story peterson

*material conditions*

It is an outgrowth of Marxists Thought

entirely different things

>material conditions

material conditions are

a) resources
b) technology level
c) the environment in general, nature factors etc

>not market

these are not "market forces"

basically market

....no

its not market at all

yes

don't fucking deny it

the material world is not "market"

Yeah I agree it isn't very Marxist, I think it's much more Hegelian. But you're shitting yourself if you don't think the original members of the Frankfurt School weren't open Marxists who saw their revisionism as an antidote to both Soviet authoritarianism and democratic socialism.

Like an actual fucktard.

what a bizarre reading

not even ancaps have hot takes like this

I was not expecting to open this chat and be exposed to a bunch of mental midgetry of this caliber.

ancaps have an universal theory where everything is boiled down to a transaction

Lord make me chaste but not yet.

Stop copying otter you pleb

I am allowed to copy Otter if you're being a fucking knuckledragger.

dude, material conditions refer to the material and technical foundations that men are born into - what technology level a given society has, what chemicals and materials are present in the environment, i.e *the degrees of freedom and limits to development potential inherent in the physical world*

this is not market

ffs

which again is driven by market and economy

Marx was a materialist cuck

😹 when u mental midget

the universe is driven by market?

wew lad

wild

talking about society here bud

stop being mean guys 🤧

Marx spoke about the objective, material world *in general*

Lame, otter always uses the "moo" emoji. Step your game up

his materialism was ontological

play nice

>transaction
Exactly, market exists between individuals. There is no market in material in and of itself

and the individual's relationship with the objective, external world of material phenomena

Why are you comparing me to Otter? you seem weirdly fixated on that. It just seems like a scapegoat for being a fucking idiot tbqh fam

like there exists an actual philosophy that underlies Marxian economics

marx actually just made ideology that is basically satanism to christianity

now now

no fighting

Xinyue actually seems like he knows what he's talking about.

But I think you were an asshole birth.

Xinu is a Beast

Shame He's a Race Mixing Degenerate

Because you retards always argued back and forth, i'm not a idiot brah

im not an idiot brah <:brainlet:508484031625691156>

pls respect me

Eithee step up your shitty otter play or shut up

Simple as that

*S e v e r a l p e o p l e a r e t y p i n g*

Put some effort in it

You said things that were wrong, I called them out as wrong, I explained why they were wrong, and then I called you an idiot.

reminder otter was kicked for being a fag

There's no effort into it if you're demonstrably a fucktard.

market

is a spook

It just comes naturally.

@Bird Wizard and desert left for being a literal fag

You didn't explain shit, you just said i didn't read marx or nietzche....

I explained why Nietzsche is incompatible with the Hegelian dialectic.

@Xinyue Can we atleast agree that a Neo Pagan Nationalist Society with Your Economics will be the Best Society ever?

And you couldn't even bring me your Foucault quote.

Where is it?

Otter is banned

And why is it relevant to the foundational intellectualism of the 30's?

Still looking for it

Was Foucault a time traveler?

who tf otter

It's taking longer than i expected

You can't even spell his fucking name correctly.

You're a retard.

>he doenst know who otter is

pretender

FAKE ADORABLE

K bigbrain

STOP CALLING EACH OTHER ALL KINDS OF RETARDS AND IDIOTS n SHIT

I would love for you to just say a single similarity between Nietzschean thought and the Frankfurt School.

Just one please.

I'll wait.

Reminder that Foucault was decades after the foundation of the Frankfurt School.

So you still haven't rectified if he was a time traveler or not.

Nietzhe and Frankfurtians had one nose each

there

Zizek I think actually made a comparison between those two at one point. I know that Pierre Tru-Dank at one point compared the postmodernists and the nietzcheans

I can go find the vid if you like

The communist revolution was just a way for jews to take over Russia anywya

Respectable comparison, Stormtrooper.

So thats what they did to the USA with CUltural Marxism

Jews use Marxism as a tool to subdue useful "true believers"

Postmodernism is about rejection of meaning as explained away by metanarratives and Nietzsche is about rejection of meaning in favor of making your own.

That's superficial similarity at best.

> the communist revolution was just a way for jews to take over Russia anywya

literally untrue, considering the revolutions of 1918-1919 were wide-reaching and included entirely non-Jewish led revolts such as the Finnish Revolution that had grand total of 0 jewish leaders

Cultural Marxism, the same

but right-wingers are gonna right-wing

Nope

Do you know Trotsky ?

Finnish Revolution had 100% Finnish leadership

@Xinyue they fooled ya, idiots

some swedes were in there too

but no Jews

Judeo-Bolshevism is quite a meme.

not many Chinese jewish communist leaders either lmao