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2018-12-11 13:31:07 UTC

Ha HA!

2018-12-11 13:31:33 UTC

its entire purpose is to end up on an alt-right exposed video

2018-12-11 13:32:37 UTC

we got all these screenshots of violent threats

2018-12-11 13:32:56 UTC

alt right is dumb and gay

2018-12-11 13:33:00 UTC

just like the rest of the right

2018-12-11 13:33:02 UTC

๐Ÿ˜

2018-12-11 13:33:24 UTC

<:bait:520002653439262721>

2018-12-11 13:33:30 UTC

not bait

2018-12-11 13:33:33 UTC

but eternal truth

2018-12-11 13:33:35 UTC

words of wisdom

2018-12-11 13:33:39 UTC

<:bait:520002653439262721>

2018-12-11 13:33:39 UTC

take heed or leave

2018-12-11 13:33:52 UTC

alt right itself is the ultimate bait ๐Ÿ˜

2018-12-11 13:33:56 UTC

<:bait:520002653439262721>

2018-12-11 13:34:02 UTC

top response

2018-12-11 13:34:07 UTC

such intellectuel, much rigour

2018-12-11 13:34:11 UTC

<:bait:520002653439262721>

2018-12-11 13:34:18 UTC

still breddy gay from the looks of it

2018-12-11 13:34:24 UTC

<:bait:520002653439262721>

2018-12-11 13:34:30 UTC

fake too

2018-12-11 13:34:33 UTC

๐Ÿ˜

2018-12-11 13:34:39 UTC

<:bait:520002653439262721>

2018-12-11 13:34:46 UTC

its obvious that communism is the superior ideology!

2018-12-11 13:34:55 UTC

long live the Vanguard of Lenin and Marx!

2018-12-11 13:35:09 UTC

<:bait:520002653439262721>

2018-12-11 13:35:19 UTC

utterly btfoed by a single emote

2018-12-11 13:35:21 UTC

<:bait:520002653439262721>

2018-12-11 13:36:26 UTC

except I'm not btfo'd in the slightest. you are allowing my accusations to go unopposed ๐Ÿ˜

2018-12-11 13:36:30 UTC

not a single counter argument was heard

2018-12-11 13:36:31 UTC

not one

2018-12-11 13:36:34 UTC

i reign supreme

2018-12-11 13:36:59 UTC

<:bait:520002653439262721>

2018-12-11 13:46:31 UTC

very gay

2018-12-11 13:48:10 UTC

uh, no

2018-12-11 13:48:11 UTC

more like

2018-12-11 13:48:13 UTC

the best ideology

2018-12-11 13:48:37 UTC

alt-right racial identitarianism is literally the most contrived ideology ever

2018-12-11 13:48:39 UTC

pro-capitalist too

2018-12-11 13:48:41 UTC

eww

2018-12-11 13:49:50 UTC

>pro-capitalism
<:brainlet:508484031625691156>

2018-12-11 13:52:16 UTC

^

2018-12-11 13:52:44 UTC

most people in these parts are skeptical of capitalism @Xinyue

2018-12-11 13:53:02 UTC

capitalism as a goal in and of itself is ๐Ÿ’ฉ

2018-12-11 13:55:02 UTC

that is, most people here are opposed to the private ownership of means of production? wew, wasn't aware that I'm surrounded by literal socialists! in that case....

**ะกะฐะปัŽั‚, ั‚ะพะฒะฐั€ะธั‰ะธ!**

2018-12-11 14:00:29 UTC

no, not entirely for it either. best economy is a protectionist one. meaning the private individuals of your nation come first. Taking from these private individuals and giving it off to the public sector is pretty much you flushing ur economy down a toilet. Now you're free to tax foreign companies as much as you want and get your gibs that way

2018-12-11 14:02:15 UTC

so capitalism then

2018-12-11 14:02:19 UTC

as I suspected

2018-12-11 14:02:25 UTC

mixed rather

2018-12-11 14:02:30 UTC

after all the economy is predicated there on private ownership of means of production

2018-12-11 14:02:39 UTC

what you are proposing is some kind of right-wing version of social democracy

2018-12-11 14:02:46 UTC

but still capitalism

2018-12-11 14:03:32 UTC

the only non-capitalist movements are socialist ones, because socialists are the only people who reject private ownership of means of production. therefore yours is not in any way a movement skeptical of capitalism, merely a more mixed form of it

2018-12-11 14:03:50 UTC

perhaps "moderate capitalism" would be a good term

2018-12-11 14:04:02 UTC

"national capitalism" comes to mind too

2018-12-11 14:04:15 UTC

ok, if the private individual behaves like utter shit and goes against the national interest, his shit can be seized

2018-12-11 14:04:19 UTC

so fuck u soros

2018-12-11 14:05:13 UTC

well sure, I get that this is what you want. I just maintain that this in no way escapes the sphere of capitalism. indeed, "national capitalism" should be a good term - capitalism subjected to the *raison d'etat* of the nation

2018-12-11 14:05:33 UTC

its grossly inferior to socialism though

2018-12-11 14:06:33 UTC

the capitalist still needs to be a socialist man and the gov't can't lean too much on the man

2018-12-11 14:06:56 UTC

a capitalist cannot be a socialist; nor vice versa. I'm not sure I follow what you are saying?

2018-12-11 14:07:51 UTC

I'm explaining an ideal, that's very implausible

2018-12-11 14:09:28 UTC

anyway, he can't only look how to satisfy his bottom line but also to preserve the culture around him.
work has to be hard as well. otherwise people will get lazy

2018-12-11 14:10:13 UTC

but this is nonsensical. the capitalists will wield the power in society, so long as capitalism is preserved. in no way will the nation as a whole have a say in how the resources are spent. this is in the final analysis only possible under socialist productive relations

2018-12-11 14:11:33 UTC

he can't be preserved. he needs to wield that power for the good of the nation, sometimes maybe even against himself, he has to be a moral person and not a calculating one.

2018-12-11 14:13:46 UTC

except that the people that capitalism selects are, really by necessity, the people most willing to be ruthless in business....after all, under capitalist selection, the moral ones do not, in fact, raise to the top. the altruists, those looking for the good of their nation - but rather, those who seek to benefit and advance their own egoist interest

2018-12-11 14:13:50 UTC

because if the state preserves the capitalist then its capitalism

2018-12-11 14:14:21 UTC

and further, so long as capitalism remains the primary mode of production, the state itself will be dependent upon the capitalist

2018-12-11 14:14:22 UTC

after all,

2018-12-11 14:14:35 UTC

it is the capitalist who provides service, owns infrastructure and distributes goods

2018-12-11 14:14:43 UTC

the capitalist is the root of the corruption that takes hold in nations

2018-12-11 14:14:46 UTC

and socialism is the cure

2018-12-11 14:14:55 UTC

to an extent

2018-12-11 14:15:02 UTC

a poison to cure a poison

2018-12-11 14:15:28 UTC

embrace the third position

2018-12-11 14:15:33 UTC

reject both

2018-12-11 14:15:54 UTC

heh, no system is perfect, this much is true. but socialism beyond a shadow of a doubt serves a nation the best. its somewhat remarkable to me that so many nationalists are right-wingers, when left-nationalism would serve the nation they *claim* to love so much better

2018-12-11 14:16:06 UTC

internationalism is obviously superior, but this has no bearing on the mistake that many nationalists do

2018-12-11 14:16:29 UTC

tbh international capitalism can go fuck itself

2018-12-11 14:16:54 UTC

China along with it as well

2018-12-11 14:17:14 UTC

they are probably the best example of what ruthless capitalism can be like

2018-12-11 14:17:26 UTC

ironically a communist nation

2018-12-11 14:18:16 UTC

oh China is not communist in the slightest, and I literally wish them to crash and burn to ashes. I harbour nothing but contempt for that nation

2018-12-11 14:18:47 UTC

and yes, agreed, international capitalism can indeed go fuck itself

2018-12-11 14:19:06 UTC

the problem with capitalism, of course, is that it *must become international* because it is inherent to the laws governing the growth and evolution of capitalism that it must expand

2018-12-11 14:19:12 UTC

of course, nation is a limited playground,

2018-12-11 14:19:19 UTC

so eventually capitalism - to avoid collapse - must expand beyond the nation

2018-12-11 14:19:28 UTC

and this is why capitalism never stays national

2018-12-11 14:19:32 UTC

why it always goes global

2018-12-11 14:19:36 UTC

the plan is to stop it before it does, and tell them NO, nooo... NO respect the worker

2018-12-11 14:20:22 UTC

in the international trade, the nation sets the terms

2018-12-11 14:20:23 UTC

but is this possible? i think that it will be very difficult to stop capitalism from expanding because to stop it from expanding means to stifle its growth rate. if you stifle the growth of capitalism - and capitalism is a system *fundamentally predicated upon ad infinitum growth* - the system comes apart

2018-12-11 14:20:25 UTC

not capitalists

2018-12-11 14:20:48 UTC

limit the growth

2018-12-11 14:21:09 UTC

seems like a brainlet solution

2018-12-11 14:21:15 UTC

I mean tbh I'd see Juche work better for nationalists than capitalism but idk

2018-12-11 14:21:26 UTC

expansion seems like a good solution tho

2018-12-11 14:22:02 UTC

you mean expand the purview of the nation, the state, so that capitalism would have more domestic living space? that would imply war, if you mean expansion in the state sense

2018-12-11 14:23:09 UTC

any of the two is alright

2018-12-11 14:29:06 UTC

I believe that the alt-right has a "marketist" perspective

2018-12-11 14:29:25 UTC

In that rabid consumerism is bad and community is important

2018-12-11 14:30:13 UTC

But believe market forces are the best way to determine production

2018-12-11 14:30:36 UTC

And that the individual has a right to make money

2018-12-11 14:35:34 UTC

markets are actually consistent with socialism, there's a whole school of thought on this - market socialism. but capitalism isn't. and yes, capitalism and markets aren't the same thing

2018-12-11 14:36:34 UTC

Titoist Yugoslavia is the prime example of worker-coop based MarSoc - no capitalism there, workers run the economy, the economy is democratic and social ownership rules the land. Not a single privately owned business - all horizontal, democratic worker-coops.

2018-12-11 14:36:50 UTC

Yet, markets still existed

2018-12-11 14:37:53 UTC

I thought you were saying markets aren't consistent with capitalism

2018-12-11 14:39:28 UTC

markets are consistent with socialism and capitalism, ultimately. you can have markets in both a framework of social ownership (say, a market economy founded solely on worker-coops and their industrial federations under the purview of the socialist republic) *or* in the context of private ownership of the means of production, that is private companies under the purview of the state

2018-12-11 14:40:17 UTC

for any nationalist worth their salt, if you had to choose one society with markets in them, the MarSoc is obviously better for the interests and purposes of the nation than the capitalist alternative

2018-12-11 14:41:11 UTC

Yes I know

2018-12-11 14:41:31 UTC

I studied Yugoslavia extensively when I was a commie scumfuck

2018-12-11 14:42:50 UTC

then you know of the awe of Yugomarxist socialism and the purity of their praxis! ๐Ÿ˜ time to come back to it m8, we'll take you back promise ๐Ÿคž

2018-12-11 14:43:17 UTC

tbh Tito made lots of mistakes along the way, wtf was that guy doing with IMF

2018-12-11 14:43:47 UTC

used to be a Titoist myself some time ago. for a couple of years. but ultimately I became convinced of the Soviet position, the Khrushchevite one to be exact

2018-12-11 14:45:46 UTC

yugo economy was unsustainable, it was getting into debt to be lifted out of debt. the jew interest rate was never going to allow something like that to exist

2018-12-11 14:47:01 UTC

and tito was a butcher but that's besides the point.

2018-12-11 14:47:33 UTC

it was, ultimately, unsustainable for the ambition that it had. It should've taken a more gradual plan to develop the economy, and I'd say that there was too little direct state planning involved. I appreciate the entirely worker-centric economy that they had, in some sense a *very pure form of socialism* rarely seen in other examples (and I still love SFRY to death to be honest, glory to Tito) but the way they went about it - the tactics - were very off and ultimately doomed the country to the grim fate it experienced (although the Serbian powergrab ops towards the end of 1980s were a major factor as well)

2018-12-11 14:48:07 UTC

>serb power grab

2018-12-11 14:48:19 UTC

tito was explicitly anti-serb

2018-12-11 14:48:36 UTC

when observing through national lense, the serb got fucked in yugoslavia

2018-12-11 14:49:14 UTC

he started importing albanians ultimately to replace the serbs

2018-12-11 14:49:33 UTC

> Tito was a butcher

.....mmkay. In the late 1940s, I'd say that's an apt characterisation. Yugoslavia did undergo a brief Stalinist phase, this is oft ignored by yugo enthusiast and lots of mistakes were made in that period. To be sure, you had fascist insurgencies that needed to be quelled but nothing really justifies the estimated 150K death figure. Imo. Then again, considering what the Independent State of Croatia - the fascist lackeys of the third reich - did during WW2 (killing 660K civilians), it might have been unavoidable.

2018-12-11 14:50:10 UTC

dude, the full extent of the tito crime hasn't even been uncovered

2018-12-11 14:50:25 UTC

just like russia, serbia keeps it locked behind a key

2018-12-11 14:51:12 UTC

unmarked graves etc. its why the post balkanazation was such a mess, because they started uncovering the graves tito made

2018-12-11 14:51:25 UTC

The full extent of 20th century crimes in general will never be known. 19th and 20th centuries were *fucked,* man. Absolutely fucked. There may be entire millions of people dead from both centuries who'll never be accounted for. So while that might be true, its not necessary *uncommon* for the century in question.

2018-12-11 14:51:31 UTC

they tried to pin that on serbs too

2018-12-11 14:51:49 UTC

yeah that's true

2018-12-11 14:51:53 UTC

anyway got to go

2018-12-11 14:52:00 UTC

talk later

2018-12-11 14:52:03 UTC

yeah sure ttyl

2018-12-11 15:01:55 UTC

@Xinyue ```the only non-capitalist movements are socialist ones, because socialists are the only people who reject private ownership of means of production. therefore yours is not in any way a movement skeptical of capitalism, merely a more mixed form of it```


I would go with Socialism if it worked better, I'm not ideological when it comes to Economics, Capitalism isn't a high value where I derive all my other Politics from...

2018-12-11 15:02:17 UTC

i miss all the discussions involving xinu every time :D

2018-12-11 15:03:20 UTC

Interesting. In my view, the Economic and the Politics are irrevocably intertwined - politics is economy, and vice versa. So in my own ideological terms, I cannot separate the two - so for me communism, in both its economic and political dimension, becomes an existential choice in its own right.

And yea yea stormfag, I bet u do

2018-12-11 15:03:24 UTC

๐Ÿ˜

2018-12-11 15:06:40 UTC

You say that because you're a Materialist, you see Socialism and Capitalism both as ideologies are Materialistic.. this is why I'm not ideological regarding either, i don't want to preserve a pure free market or try to work out Socialism for the sake of Socialism itself..
Economics to me is a means to a goal, not a goal in and of itself, economics is supposed to support a People, but when you get ideological about it, you just throw people at your favorite purest Ideology

2018-12-11 15:10:42 UTC

well, Communism in the Marxian sense is *necessarily ontologically materialist,* whereas various other socialist and capitalist schools of thought *might be* such but aren't necessarily. But beyond that, the economy - in a sense - *is the people* and their activities in a very real and direct, intimate sense. Economy is the collection of the creative, productive and servicing activities of the whole people and in this respect economy can't be really separated from the notion of the People. So any ideological approach to the people must in the final analysis have a firm stance on economics.

2018-12-11 15:11:32 UTC

I think there's far more to *a People* than Economics

2018-12-11 15:12:08 UTC

and the stance on economics, while it can assume millions of forms, ultimately flow from the very foundational duality of whether or not

a) private ownership of means of production, *or*
b) social ownership of means of production

is pursued as primary. The group A of solutions define the right-wing, whereas the group B of solutions define the left-wing.

2018-12-11 15:12:13 UTC

A Nation can be Richer whilst being comparatively Poor in terms of how much money and resources it has

2018-12-11 15:12:50 UTC

well sure, I don't mean that you can *reduce* the People to the Economics, but that nevertheless the economics is directly, intimately and immediately connected to the being of the People

2018-12-11 15:13:39 UTC

maybe, but i think you guys overemphasize it

2018-12-11 15:13:50 UTC

well, you say that,

2018-12-11 15:14:26 UTC

but we put great emphasis on economics because economics is the *creative, productive activity of men* and we view labour as an ontologically important, near-divine (though it would be perhaps inappropriate to use that term) attribute of man

2018-12-11 15:14:40 UTC

that is sexist

2018-12-11 15:14:42 UTC

bro

2018-12-11 15:14:50 UTC

> sexist

2018-12-11 15:14:51 UTC

kys

2018-12-11 15:15:19 UTC

that is an interesting pov, i don't have the energy to think about it rn

2018-12-11 15:15:24 UTC

i will later

2018-12-11 15:15:29 UTC

got an exam tomorrow ๐Ÿ˜ฉ๐Ÿ˜ฉ๐Ÿ˜ฉ

2018-12-11 15:15:32 UTC

oh shit

2018-12-11 15:15:38 UTC

december exam

2018-12-11 15:15:42 UTC

should be illegal tbh

2018-12-11 15:15:47 UTC

we always have it in December

2018-12-11 15:16:00 UTC

should have in late november imo ๐Ÿ˜

2018-12-11 15:16:10 UTC

last exam, 24 December ๐Ÿ‘

2018-12-11 15:16:16 UTC

....dude woot ๐Ÿ˜„

2018-12-11 15:16:37 UTC

Both commies and ancaps reduce all human interaction to market forces

2018-12-11 15:16:47 UTC

....we literally don't

2018-12-11 15:18:22 UTC

Entire manifesto was about how to one up the capitalist

2018-12-11 15:18:38 UTC

@Xinyue do you think more the money/resources people have the better?

2018-12-11 15:20:36 UTC

The entire theory of labor is that it equivalently translates into value

2018-12-11 15:21:01 UTC

Which it doesn't

2018-12-11 15:58:42 UTC

@AdorableStormtrooper I don't think it can be reduced like that. I think that the more resources people have (money I wouldn't even factor into this question, lets assume access to material resources as well as means of production), the better *chances* the people have to prosper. But there are other things that go into having good society such as virtue ethics, and Marxists have their own sense of virtue ethics - the proletarian virtue ethic which derives its value from creative, productive, socially useful labour at its most basic

2018-12-11 16:03:27 UTC

> Entire manifesto was about how to one up the capitalist

if you have formed your view on communism/marxism based on the Manifesto alone, I'm afraid you have a lot more reading to do.

1) Capital (Marx, Engels)
2) Civil War in France (Marx, Engels)
3) Critique of the Gotha Programme (Marx)
4) Grundrisse (Marx)
5) Contribution to Critique of Political Economy (Marx)
6) German Ideology (Marx, Engels)
7) Eighteenth Brumaire of Louis Bonaparte (Marx)
8) Socialism: Utopian and Scientific (Engels)
9) Anti-Dรผhring (Engels)
10) Labour in the Transition from Ape to Man (Engels)

here are just ten essential works of Marxism that go *well beyond* just the confines of "le gommunist manibesto" and are, arguably, more important - these by themselves are thousands of pages in total page count. And these aren't even the total sum of Engels' and Marx's works. Then beyond these await hundreds of works of Marxian philosophers since Marx and Engels.

2018-12-11 16:24:58 UTC

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2018-12-11 16:41:03 UTC

Yes. Some liberties should be sacrificed if it's for the sake of the safety and security of the nation.

2018-12-11 16:41:04 UTC

Also, hi

2018-12-11 16:41:16 UTC

Capital be 3000 pages tho... @Xinyue

2018-12-11 16:41:32 UTC

Grundrisse is similar length I think too

2018-12-11 16:41:34 UTC

I did read critique of the gotha program and the manifesto but das kapital was too much

2018-12-11 16:41:39 UTC

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2018-12-11 16:42:08 UTC

I think that *Fundamentals of Marxism-Leninism* (1960) from the Khrushchev era USSR condenses a lot of the theory quite nicely in just 750 pages!

2018-12-11 16:42:11 UTC

so that's one option

2018-12-11 16:42:24 UTC

its probably the best summary imo

2018-12-11 16:42:49 UTC

but obviously quite a bit is lost in the condensation

2018-12-11 16:43:50 UTC

Yeah i might check that out, i'm currently reading through imperialism:the highest stage of capitalism

2018-12-11 16:44:40 UTC

ah yes, some Lenin there

2018-12-11 16:45:38 UTC

Thanks for the recommendation and the list of book titles you posted

2018-12-11 16:46:07 UTC

yeah no probs, doing AgitProp is no chore for me ๐Ÿ˜

2018-12-11 16:51:21 UTC

what does *prosper* mean?

2018-12-11 16:51:24 UTC
2018-12-11 16:52:13 UTC

Btw, was just wondering why you have krushchev as your profile pic ?I've seen a lot of marxist-leninists blaming him for straying away from true Marxist leninism by introducing markets reform

2018-12-11 16:52:51 UTC

@Punished Elรญas youre everywhere

2018-12-11 16:56:18 UTC

i like how people say lenin said Fascism is capitalism in decay when the real quote was imperialism

2018-12-11 16:56:23 UTC

Hello newcomers, @RealBullWhip @Deleted User @The_Don_73 @Punished Elรญas . Be sure to check <#507040801860091914> and <#521916756852342784> , as suggested by the Emperor

2018-12-11 16:56:27 UTC

by people i mean reddit

2018-12-11 16:56:49 UTC

he says markets are part of Socialism in his understanding

2018-12-11 16:57:18 UTC

i wonder if commies are aware of Mussolini's Supercapitalism theory

2018-12-11 16:57:40 UTC

fok iz dat

2018-12-11 16:58:35 UTC

Pizza man begone @PunishedMuskovy

2018-12-11 16:58:41 UTC

the late stage of capitalism

2018-12-11 16:58:56 UTC

"Supercapitalism was a concept that developed in Italian Fascism.[1] Italy's Fascist leader, Benito Mussolini, claimed that at the stage of supercapitalism, "a capitalist enterprise, when difficulties arise, throws itself like a dead weight into the state's arms. It is then that state intervention begins and becomes more necessary. It is then that those who once ignored the state now seek it out anxiously."[2]"

2018-12-11 16:59:39 UTC

At this stage, supercapitalism finds its inspiration and its justification in a utopia: the utopia of unlimited consumption. Supercapitalism's ideal is the standardization of the human race from the cradle to the grave. Supercapitalism wants all babies to be born exactly the same length so that the cradles can be standardized and all children persuaded to like the same toys. It wants all men to don the very same uniform, to read the same book, to have the same tastes in films, and to desire the same so-called labor-saving devices. This is not the result of caprice. It inheres in the logic of events, for only thus can supercapitalism make its plans.[6]

2018-12-11 16:59:44 UTC

@Khat Emperor Yeah those are lies manufactured by Mao, who was the arch-revisionist himself. In actual fact, Khrushchev did not introduce a single market reform. Social property was enforced and the way the planned economy functioned was merely re-structured - away from the central state and to the local economic soviets, or *Sovnarkhozy,* which would have considerable autonomy in how to go about executing the plan. If anything, Khrushchev era USSR came much closer towards the actual decentralised federal communism than the other periods of USSR history or, indeed, many other socialist experiments.

Stalinists and Maoists just resent him because he spoke mean words of Stalin who for them is some kind of glorified daddy figure

2018-12-11 16:59:51 UTC

crony capitalism

2018-12-11 17:00:17 UTC

Supercapitalism wants all babies to be born exactly the same length so that the cradles can be standardized and all children persuaded to like the same toys. It wants all men to don the very same uniform, to read the same book, to have the same tastes in films, and to desire the same so-called labor-saving devices.

2018-12-11 17:00:25 UTC

If there's one Socialist Dictator I'd love to kill, it'd be Mao

2018-12-11 17:00:32 UTC

Mao was fucking garbage

2018-12-11 17:00:32 UTC

that fat fuck

2018-12-11 17:00:50 UTC

do you think PRC would've collapsed without him? @Xinyue

2018-12-11 17:00:55 UTC

ching chong! dem sparrows must be to blame for food shortages! kill them all!

2018-12-11 17:01:01 UTC

wtf why is the famine getting worse

2018-12-11 17:01:35 UTC

and actually he barely qualifies as a Marxist. do you know what the stars in Chinese flag stand for?

a) proletariat
b) peasantry
c) petit bourgeoisie
d) national bourgeoisie

unified under the main star - the party

Maoism literally was class collaborationist, and didn't abolish national bourgeoisie. and they dared to call Khrushchev revisionist ๐Ÿ˜‚ oh my god

2018-12-11 17:01:45 UTC

I've read about how Communists in China damaged even the oldest and most remotely located temples in China

2018-12-11 17:02:01 UTC

oh yeah

2018-12-11 17:02:09 UTC

the loss of culture was immense and arguably irrepairable

2018-12-11 17:02:13 UTC

Mao never brushed his teeth, because of tigers

2018-12-11 17:02:14 UTC

they broke museums, paintings, sculptures and burnt books because it's "old thinking"

2018-12-11 17:02:21 UTC

wel tigurs dun brush der teeth an dey r fine

2018-12-11 17:02:29 UTC

I've often visited Taiwan and I saw some of that impeccable Chinese art preserved in the National Palace Museum

2018-12-11 17:02:35 UTC

gives you a taste of what was lost

2018-12-11 17:02:46 UTC

1970-80 China is the Progressive Utopia

2018-12-11 17:02:56 UTC

it was an utter failure

2018-12-11 17:03:08 UTC

and Khrushchev in his memoirs pretty savagely tears it apart as being "idiotic"

2018-12-11 17:03:33 UTC

why's it idiotic?

2018-12-11 17:03:56 UTC

oh, for many many reasons but the number one reason is that they had no fucking idea what they were doing

2018-12-11 17:04:01 UTC

the way they tried to make the great leap happen

2018-12-11 17:04:04 UTC

was totally unrealistic

2018-12-11 17:04:06 UTC

it was never going to work

2018-12-11 17:04:23 UTC

they were blown away in a haze of communistic fervor

2018-12-11 17:04:43 UTC

@PunishedMuskovy the only other server you share with me is Pispians lol

2018-12-11 17:04:43 UTC

seriously tho, why's what they did a bad thing??

2018-12-11 17:04:50 UTC

jus liek how cummunism wil nevr wurk

2018-12-11 17:04:51 UTC

as if poor quality personal steel melter facilities were going to jumpstart the fucking economy. the Soviet accounts on this were hilarious, you can see them constantly be like "wtf are you guys doing no not like this" ๐Ÿ˜„

2018-12-11 17:05:01 UTC

made by r/the_donald gang

2018-12-11 17:05:15 UTC

@Punished Elรญas werent you in traditionalist christian

2018-12-11 17:05:49 UTC

USSR had state Atheism, China had it's way of enforcing it, getting rid of Old Thinking and Habits right

2018-12-11 17:05:54 UTC

why's that bad?

2018-12-11 17:06:25 UTC

what I *do* have to give Mao is the following:

a) doubled the population
b) increased the living expectancy
c) brought education to masses
d) got China nukes
e) got China space program
f) got China satellites

but overall, as a *national program* from the POV of the *public interest,* the Mao era was a failure

2018-12-11 17:06:44 UTC

because it in the end led to the deaths of millions

2018-12-11 17:06:49 UTC

in a remarkably quick timeframe

2018-12-11 17:06:53 UTC

i thought commies were against population rise?

2018-12-11 17:07:02 UTC

oh no no, not really

2018-12-11 17:07:04 UTC

he did the one child policy didn't he

2018-12-11 17:07:10 UTC

abortion was prohibited in most communist countries

2018-12-11 17:07:12 UTC

including USSR

2018-12-11 17:07:28 UTC

not in china tho

2018-12-11 17:07:34 UTC

peoples republic of bulgaria also banned porn

2018-12-11 17:07:37 UTC

they forced Abortions

2018-12-11 17:07:47 UTC

they implemented it because they couldn't cope with the population anymore, but that's just bad planning on their part imo

2018-12-11 17:07:51 UTC

like really abysmal planning

2018-12-11 17:08:02 UTC

USSR always was superior to PRC imo

2018-12-11 17:08:06 UTC

ignore what the Maoists say

2018-12-11 17:08:35 UTC

Stalin would be a good leader only if he wasn't Socialist :D

2018-12-11 17:08:38 UTC

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