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2019-09-29 22:08:47 UTC

fug. I gonna miss it. I hope for you that it is *Ôâú *Ôâú and not *Ôâú *Ôâú *Ôâú *Ôâú or *Ôâú *Ôâú *Ôâú *Ôâú *Ôâú *Ôâú *Ôâú *Ôâú *Ôâú *Ôâú

2019-09-29 22:11:13 UTC

I will also miss the show

2019-09-29 22:16:10 UTC

it'll be up on BitChute in a bit

2019-09-30 08:41:22 UTC

Hey Matt, the discord link to the bitchute vid isn't working.

2019-09-30 13:21:57 UTC

@nevercold what BitChute link?

2019-09-30 13:22:11 UTC

I've tried uploading the stream to BitChute but it's taking ages to process

2019-09-30 13:22:21 UTC

the MP3 is up on Anchor, however

2019-09-30 13:24:36 UTC

Cool, I'll check out Anchor when I get up. The Bitchute link I'm talking about was from your discord Network Feed

2019-09-30 13:25:15 UTC

yeah I deleted the BitChute upload and tried reuploading it to see if that would make processing go faster

2019-09-30 13:25:28 UTC

I've had countless issues with BitChute uploads

2019-09-30 13:25:59 UTC

I hate navigating Bitchute. It's a friggin mess

2019-09-30 15:14:52 UTC

Sad to hear about the livestream going on hiatus but I understand why.

2019-09-30 19:32:53 UTC

Who does he think heÔÇÖs bullshitting

2019-09-30 19:36:16 UTC

several days AFTER the incident? lmao he was quoted by the SPLC in their article published on the DAY of the incident

2019-09-30 19:39:24 UTC

What's with the trs guys using women in their profiles?

2019-09-30 19:40:22 UTC

Jayoh fucked a tranny so I'm guessing they're following suit

2019-09-30 19:42:23 UTC

On 8chan: Where do people get their information?

2019-09-30 19:43:51 UTC

WEW @ Jayoh fucking a tranny. Anyway; See this retarded license? N-tech wanted Hotwheels name out. They are going to rebrand it just like they did with 2ch. Unless then, it lives on in another form

2019-09-30 19:48:00 UTC

Oh by the way HW helped to build up the pressure on 8chan out of spite against the Watkins' and a retarded black pill sentiment.

2019-09-30 21:45:51 UTC

@mattforney His excuse is literally ÔÇťthey called meÔÇŁ well how did they get your number Parrot? My god. He also tweeted recently that heÔÇÖs a Bernie bro and that heÔÇÖs a white leftist. So why are these people on the right, and why do clowns like TRS associate with them?

2019-09-30 23:10:27 UTC
2019-09-30 23:10:34 UTC

might want to signal boost this

2019-09-30 23:10:37 UTC

can you help ?>

2019-09-30 23:26:32 UTC

he's gonna get a promotion for this

2019-10-01 18:32:27 UTC
2019-10-01 18:34:54 UTC

Hotwheels is an idiot when it comes to Opsec. It was never good to begin with. Also his administratorship was characterized by a crapton of hidden files on servers among them a list of IPs a spammer he was in contact with was using over Hola's wannabe Onion router.

2019-10-01 18:35:38 UTC

This was construed as HW openly violating the privacy agreement. So Yes: He was always whoring himself out to the press in contrary to the people who are leaving him behind.

2019-10-01 18:36:12 UTC

@Joe the boomer: Also did my thing on fedi.

2019-10-01 20:45:16 UTC

I mentioned the hidden file thing, because it also contained a lot of private information about Hotwheels himself and every confirmed post. One of them was showing how he had a huge distaste for /pol/. Sadly, this one wasn't archived.

2019-10-02 01:16:11 UTC

Just make it unlisted

2019-10-02 01:57:57 UTC

@V.A Jackson i deleted it off my YouTube channel

2019-10-02 01:57:59 UTC

not worth the risk

2019-10-02 03:07:42 UTC

Ahh damn.

2019-10-02 08:07:59 UTC


2019-10-02 11:27:06 UTC

two gay feds colluding

2019-10-02 14:04:43 UTC

Looks like Lee Stranahan does have a YouTube channel https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCvc-zkfyzO6FYz3ERwrrVqw

2019-10-02 15:04:05 UTC


2019-10-02 15:40:39 UTC

He's an independent journalist Matt recommended.

2019-10-02 15:40:47 UTC

it was a while ago

2019-10-03 05:59:50 UTC

Radical Agenda is still a show?

2019-10-03 06:00:21 UTC

How much Meth between the toes is Cantwell getting paid in?

2019-10-04 14:53:55 UTC


2019-10-07 17:45:22 UTC

Straight outta the official Something Awful discord.


2019-10-07 19:55:23 UTC


2019-10-07 20:10:26 UTC

Troll remorse hits

2019-10-07 20:12:11 UTC

goons in 2009: Asian people have slant-eyes, AMIRITE
goons in 2019: here's how alt-right online radicalization is driving mass shootings

2019-10-07 21:06:45 UTC

These retarded LARPers?

2019-10-07 21:07:20 UTC

They should have stuck to Dragon Quest builders.

2019-10-09 00:01:22 UTC

Atomwaffen sounds like an awesome Fallout faction.

2019-10-09 15:41:56 UTC

Instead it was a shit Nazi forum full of wignat terrorists.

2019-10-11 06:11:30 UTC

Jeszcze Polska nie zginęła,
Kiedy my ┼╝yjemy

2019-10-11 06:11:46 UTC

Line from PolandÔÇÖs anthem.

2019-10-13 00:16:14 UTC

Boomer playing with puppets: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3LRfTl_yBV4

2019-10-13 10:54:31 UTC

Hungary is voting in local elections today.

My prediction: Fidesz sweeps everything, including Budapest. The left opposition's brilliant platform of "Viktor Orbán is a big meanie" is going to fail like the other half-dozen times they tried it.

Hungarians have long memories. They remember how the previous leftist administrations let Budapest and other cities rot. Pre-Fidesz, Budapest was so poor that it couldn't even afford to maintain buildings, which were falling apart. In fact, one of my friends told me that the prime minister before Orbán, Ferenc Gyurcsány, straight up stole E.U. development money that was intended to refurbish apartment buildings, inadvertently giving birth to Budapest's "ruin pub" scene (because the buildings were so unfit for habitation that people bought them up cheap and turned them into bars).

Under Orb├ín and Istv├ín Tarl├│s (the Fidesz-backed independent incumbent mayor), Budapest was able to repair its buildingsÔÇörepaint them, even, so the city looks beautiful nowÔÇöand modernize its aging transportation infrastructure. Under Tarl├│s, the Budapest Metro even opened a new line.

The opposition has tried to make hay of a sex scandal involving the Fidesz mayor of Gy┼Ĺr (who was caught using prostitutes), but the problem is that people don't vote for Fidesz for moral reasons (though the party's strong nationalist stance certainly helps). Most Hungarians aren't even that religious. Fidesz is popular because it's the only party with a strong stand on pocketbook issues: fixing roads and railways, providing tax credits for families etc. The left opposition let people starve and sold off the country's infrastructure to foreigners when they were in power, and everyone knows they'll do the same again if they win.

The left opposition doesn't have a positive vision for Hungary. All they have are whiny complaints about the "rule of law." That's why they're going to lose.

2019-10-13 13:46:10 UTC

I think it will be closer than you think. I predict Tárlos winning by less than 5 points. Many of the young liberals don't know or remember why Gyurcsány is hated and have no memory of who Demszky Gábor was.

2019-10-13 13:46:38 UTC


2019-10-13 13:46:59 UTC

but the liberal media claims that Fidesz is seriously threatened are overblown

2019-10-13 13:55:14 UTC

They also told the older liberals to either march in line with Gyurcsány and Karácsony or gtfo for being traitors to the cause

2019-10-13 13:55:59 UTC

Some of them did, and they will either not vote or vote for Puzs├ęr

2019-10-13 13:57:15 UTC

Puzs├ęr is an interesting wildcard. He's an honest person with a noble project, but he is not a politician and that caps his maximum %

2019-10-13 14:32:52 UTC

White women: not even once.


2019-10-13 15:12:16 UTC


2019-10-13 17:57:55 UTC


2019-10-13 19:44:01 UTC

Current results have left opposition candidate leading the Budapest mayoral race with nearly half the votes counted. If Fidesz doesn't conjure up some Gypsy votes soon, I'm gonna be disappointed. https://www.valasztas.hu/d4/onk19/szavossz/onkval/hu/foejelolt.html

2019-10-13 19:51:51 UTC


2019-10-13 19:51:52 UTC

women are actually trash

2019-10-13 19:59:46 UTC

Yeah, I'm not surprised.

2019-10-13 20:05:03 UTC

Upside, I guess: the migrant crisis that's brewing will probably drive Fidesz's numbers back up again

2019-10-13 20:13:29 UTC

Budapest went liberal even in the overall elections. I don't think it is a bad thing they won these local elections

2019-10-13 20:14:17 UTC

It gives an opportunity to remind people what kind of trash these people are, specially the young people.

2019-10-13 20:14:19 UTC

well the other news is that Fidesz is trailing in the other cities as well

2019-10-13 20:14:43 UTC

Fidesz only wins in elections because of the countryside

2019-10-13 20:14:55 UTC

City people are all the same

2019-10-13 20:15:21 UTC

yeah but they also won in the smaller cities in previous elections save for Szeged and Pecs

2019-10-13 20:17:13 UTC

In previous elections they had more parties, for this one they only had Fidesz and "Opposition "

2019-10-13 20:17:45 UTC

good point

2019-10-13 20:18:12 UTC

So sum mszpm dk, momentum, lmp, etc etc.

2019-10-13 20:18:30 UTC

But that opens two opportunities

2019-10-13 20:19:10 UTC

1. Success breeds ambition. They will go at each other throats in the united front.

2019-10-13 20:19:35 UTC

Just give them time, like the right wing did after trump won.

2019-10-13 20:20:18 UTC

2. Give these people rope and spotlight, and they will fuck up

2019-10-13 20:20:24 UTC

so basically let their equivalent of the Squad run rampant

2019-10-13 20:21:34 UTC

Let them fuck up in public, they will probably cut off money to the cities to allow them to fail under less favourable conditions

2019-10-13 20:22:35 UTC

I note that some of the opposition candidates have been lobbying the E.U. to dispense money direct to the cities instead of giving it to the national government

2019-10-13 20:22:44 UTC

Btw, the ratio of advertising of Fidesz vs the Opposition in Budapest was like...hmmm.. 4 op to 1 Fidesz

2019-10-13 20:22:58 UTC


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2019-10-13 20:23:05 UTC

The whole city was plastered on ads for the Opposition

2019-10-13 20:23:12 UTC

the left was whining about how they were shut out of everything

2019-10-13 20:23:35 UTC

though I remember noting that during the parliamentary election there was barely any Momentum advertising

2019-10-13 20:23:44 UTC

a lot of Jobbik, MSZP, DK ads

2019-10-13 20:23:54 UTC

Funny, they started very hard and very early, I thought for a while fidesz was not even running.

2019-10-13 20:24:07 UTC

they were probably expecting to coast

2019-10-13 20:24:18 UTC

also what do you know about this "Devil's Advocate" stuff?

2019-10-13 20:24:43 UTC

the only English-language source I can find is Hungarian Spectrum, which is run by this delusional old bat who lives in Connecticut

2019-10-13 20:25:01 UTC

best I can grok is that the mayor of Gyor liked hookers

2019-10-13 20:25:22 UTC

Oh, yeah. I heard about it.

2019-10-13 20:25:52 UTC

Let's put it like this: That is legal. But it looks bad.

2019-10-13 20:26:13 UTC

And it is not the first time he did that.

2019-10-13 20:26:46 UTC

Let's not forget another thing: Fidesz does have a lot of retards

2019-10-13 20:27:06 UTC

yeah it seems to be a pattern with dominant-party systems: they collect a lot of dumbos

2019-10-13 20:29:13 UTC

This is not a big deal, in fact, it is a good opportunity for them to evaluate what they are doing wrong so they don't fuck up an important election.

2019-10-13 20:29:41 UTC

good point

2019-10-13 20:29:52 UTC

Maybe this will trigger a cleaning

2019-10-13 20:30:21 UTC

if Orban is smart he'll reorganize the municipalities to strip them of power

2019-10-13 20:30:38 UTC

He can, he has learned for mistakes his whole carreer

2019-10-13 20:31:12 UTC

This is not the first time Fidesz has tumbled, they always came back stronger

2019-10-13 20:31:21 UTC

the fact that the opposition won't put aside their differences to form a single party, even after everything that's happened, is a bad sign for them

2019-10-13 20:31:24 UTC

a lot of egos on the line

2019-10-13 20:31:39 UTC

Momentum vs DK is the wedge

2019-10-13 20:33:13 UTC

Also, Karacsony is extremely corrupt

2019-10-13 20:34:16 UTC

That will break it, the Opposition will not be able to run with the anti corrupt flag anymore after siding with that sociopath

2019-10-13 20:34:31 UTC

how corrupt is he?

2019-10-13 20:34:42 UTC

all I know is that the district he was mayor of is a shithole

2019-10-13 20:34:49 UTC

He is deeply involved with parking mafias in Zuglo

2019-10-13 20:34:58 UTC

it's where the hourly hotels are iirc

2019-10-13 20:35:11 UTC

Zuglo train station is also known as the L├ępratelep

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2019-10-13 20:36:19 UTC

lol I'm pretty sure I've seen that station a few times coming in and out of Nyugati

2019-10-13 20:40:36 UTC

in good news, PiS won the Polish election

2019-10-13 20:41:00 UTC

though I'm surprised KP and Confederation managed to sneak into parliament

2019-10-13 20:41:09 UTC

they were both consistently polling below the threshold

2019-10-13 20:41:55 UTC

I'll put it like this, I walked back from the pub

2019-10-13 20:42:11 UTC

I counted 18 posters for Karacsony

2019-10-13 20:42:27 UTC

And 0 for Tarlos

2019-10-13 20:42:42 UTC

3 overall for Fidesz

2019-10-13 20:42:55 UTC

1 for Puzser

2019-10-13 20:42:57 UTC

sounds like they just dropped the ball and assumed they would win

2019-10-13 20:43:11 UTC

Puzser ran from microdonations

2019-10-13 20:45:03 UTC

Either that or they decided to give up a bit to let the opposition fuck up in public, a bit of stage time to show people how they fail

2019-10-13 20:47:04 UTC

Again, people are forgetting why the Opposition was so disliked, a few of them have not had the chance to fuck up at all because Fidesz has been in power for so long.

2019-10-13 20:48:25 UTC

thanks for filling me in

2019-10-13 20:48:33 UTC

there's really not any good information about this in English

2019-10-13 20:48:46 UTC

even the nationalist/right-wing Hungarian sources really aren't that good

2019-10-13 20:49:23 UTC

I love Mariann Ory but Magyar Hirlap's English-language coverage is terrible

2019-10-13 20:49:42 UTC

I know quite a bit because the guy in 3rd place is actually a friend of mine

2019-10-13 20:49:44 UTC

and my Hungarian is regressing fast

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2019-10-13 20:50:09 UTC

Yes, I know Puzser Robert in person

2019-10-13 20:50:47 UTC

yep just checked, Magyar Hirlap purged their entire English-language section

2019-10-13 20:51:13 UTC

funny, an investor approached me over a year ago about launching an English-language portal for V4 news

2019-10-13 20:51:23 UTC

I turned him down because it would just be a money sink

2019-10-13 20:52:19 UTC

There is no money. I don't read them because they are all fed with propaganda money from either side

2019-10-13 20:52:37 UTC

You get all water and no meat on that soup

2019-10-13 20:52:43 UTC

yeah that's what I told the investor

2019-10-13 20:53:04 UTC

Visegrad Post ran out of money in 2017 and had to fire everyone

2019-10-13 20:53:14 UTC

now they just run badly-translated opinion pieces

2019-10-13 20:53:20 UTC

People don't read them to get informed, they read it to assure they are right, and that market is full on both sides

2019-10-13 20:53:58 UTC

I tell people the same thing when they ask me if I'm going to report on the 2020 presidential election

2019-10-13 20:54:11 UTC

there's no way for me to do it without a big paycheck and no one's going to give that to me

2019-10-13 20:54:15 UTC

unless I sing their tune

2019-10-13 20:55:02 UTC

I like Mariann, she's a friend of mine, but Magyar Hirlap is incompetent

2019-10-13 20:55:17 UTC

I have another friend at PestiSracok, they have the same problems

2019-10-13 20:56:21 UTC

Yeah, that's right. And 888 is intentionally insane

2019-10-13 20:56:47 UTC

Good right wing or even unbiased journalists are hard to find

2019-10-13 20:56:50 UTC

moreover any attempt at honest reporting, if it gets traction, will just make me a target

2019-10-13 20:57:10 UTC

for example I'm not going to Poland this year for the independence celebrations

2019-10-13 20:57:29 UTC

not after Jared Taylor was banned and the government is probably on high alert for foreign "extremists"

2019-10-13 20:57:45 UTC

it's high-risk, zero-reward

2019-10-13 20:57:59 UTC

I would rather sell weird novels about sex addiction

2019-10-13 20:58:00 UTC

Yes, that is how it is, unfortunately

2019-10-13 20:58:18 UTC

there's more money in running a book and merch publisher

2019-10-13 20:58:42 UTC

I am prob going back to Budapest soon once the merch store is online to get some models for a store shoot

2019-10-13 20:59:04 UTC

Melissa used to do that for a living, I'll ask her if she can hook me up with some photographers etc.

2019-10-13 20:59:40 UTC

I do photography, but unfortunately not portraits or modeling

2019-10-13 21:00:04 UTC

ah cool

2019-10-13 21:00:21 UTC

this project's not coming to fruition for a few months

2019-10-13 21:00:39 UTC

the first book hits the production line, then I talk to my friend at the merch store and he gets the shirts etc. up

2019-10-13 21:00:53 UTC

he uses generic models but I want to go the extra mile because I have the money

2019-10-13 21:01:09 UTC

Isn't it feasible to run it from there? Lack of models?

2019-10-13 21:01:29 UTC

I looked into it, the scene in Georgia is a joke

2019-10-13 21:01:37 UTC

everyone with a clue has moved to Russia or Europe

2019-10-13 21:01:54 UTC

the economy here is in freefall after Putin's flight ban

2019-10-13 21:02:27 UTC

that's good from an expat perspective because the value of the lari has sufficiently declined to make Georgia one of the cheapest expat destinations in the world

2019-10-13 21:02:36 UTC

but it's bad because human capital is fleeing left and right

2019-10-13 21:02:57 UTC

also Georgians are...incompetent

2019-10-13 21:02:59 UTC

to put it mildly

2019-10-13 21:03:14 UTC

starting to suspect those "low corruption" indices are goosed

2019-10-13 21:03:14 UTC

How so? Lazy?

2019-10-13 21:03:32 UTC

it's very clannish and everything here relies on familial connections

2019-10-13 21:03:53 UTC

Tbilisi is a bit better than the rest of the country

2019-10-13 21:03:59 UTC

The latin American model, I see

2019-10-13 21:04:03 UTC

but in general the economy is very cartelized

2019-10-13 21:04:13 UTC

not as bad as Armenia but still very annoying to deal with it

2019-10-13 21:04:25 UTC

Hungarians and Poles are more on the ball

2019-10-13 21:04:54 UTC

Hungarians are a mixed bag, but I like to work with them.

2019-10-13 21:05:08 UTC

Georgians have had visa-free access to Schengen for a while and anyone with a bit of capital is leaving

2019-10-13 21:05:23 UTC

there are already a ton of Georgians living in Poland

2019-10-13 21:05:49 UTC

when I went to Warsaw for my friend's wedding in April, the Uber driver who took me to the Warsaw airport was Georgian

2019-10-13 21:06:19 UTC

same thing will likely happen if/when Armenia gets visa-free access

2019-10-13 21:06:39 UTC

They go then the way of Bosnia

2019-10-13 21:06:51 UTC

Poland has depleted Ukraine's stock of guest-workers and they need more

2019-10-13 21:07:56 UTC

yeah the ex-FSU states outside of Russia, Belarus, and the Baltics are basically going to get worse

2019-10-13 21:08:04 UTC

Brain drain is the fertile grounds for future migration waves

2019-10-13 21:08:06 UTC

they're losing human capital to the E.U. and Russia

2019-10-13 21:08:17 UTC

and they're also flashpoints for CIA fuck-fuck games

2019-10-13 21:08:35 UTC

Georgia will probably have some kind of color revolution shenanigans next year

2019-10-13 21:09:07 UTC

there was an attempted uprising over the summer when the government declined to give extra police protection to the pride parade and they had to cancel

2019-10-13 21:09:46 UTC

also, during an international conference of politicians from Orthodox countries, one of the Russian invitees gave a speech from the speaker's chair at the Georgian parliament

2019-10-13 21:09:55 UTC

that ignited a week of tantrums from the opposition

2019-10-13 21:10:23 UTC

the incumbent party are a bunch of cowards, despite basically being in the same position as Fidesz, having near total control over the government and country

2019-10-13 21:10:36 UTC

in response to the protests, they changed the electoral law to remove the threshold

2019-10-13 21:11:06 UTC

since they're only polling at about 20 percent that means five million parties will get seats in the parliamentary election next year

2019-10-13 21:11:55 UTC

And what would come after a color revolution?

2019-10-13 21:12:16 UTC

Liberal govt and mandatory poopdick?

2019-10-13 21:12:17 UTC

the stridently pro-U.S. UNM comes to power

2019-10-13 21:12:28 UTC

they're pro-gay rights and stooges for the deep state

2019-10-13 21:12:44 UTC

they're Saakashvili's old party, he technically still leads them from exile

2019-10-13 21:12:56 UTC

they'll take a more belligerent stand on Russia

2019-10-13 21:13:21 UTC

keep in mind that the existing government is pretty pro-U.S. as it is; they didn't make any major changes after Saakashvili got bounced out of power

2019-10-13 21:13:35 UTC

they were also one of the first countries to recognize Guaido as Venezuela's president

2019-10-13 21:13:52 UTC

but they've also tried to steer a moderate course in thawing things with Russia

2019-10-13 21:14:01 UTC

the UNM will be far more belligerent

2019-10-13 21:15:16 UTC

I see, it's all about its value as a piece vs Russia

2019-10-13 21:15:56 UTC

Their biggest problem though is the siren song of "western lifestyle "

2019-10-13 21:16:02 UTC

yeah the incumbent party is basically trying to acknowledge reality

2019-10-13 21:16:16 UTC

Russia is Georgia's largest trading partner, it's biggest source of tourists

2019-10-13 21:16:32 UTC

Putin's flight ban was a massive blow to the economy and the government will get blamed for the lari's collapse

2019-10-13 21:17:17 UTC

WizzAir won't keep them afloat, huh?

2019-10-13 21:17:55 UTC

nah there's no way that Georgia can make up the difference with European and American tourism

2019-10-13 21:18:03 UTC

Georgia is cheap but it's also far out of the way

2019-10-13 21:18:08 UTC

not really on anyone's radar

2019-10-13 21:18:54 UTC

It is really just a small place up in the hills next to Russia

2019-10-13 21:19:03 UTC

Armenia is also trying to eat their lunch with similar anti-corruption reforms

2019-10-13 21:19:22 UTC

streamlining the bureaucracy, getting rid of pointless laws

2019-10-13 21:19:43 UTC

so Georgia's selling point of being a good place to do business will also recede

2019-10-13 21:20:44 UTC

So their future is pretty much being something like Bosnia?

2019-10-13 21:20:45 UTC

my estimation is that Georgian Dream (the incumbent party) will remain the largest party but all the opposition parties they fucked over in the past decade will gang up on them in a coalition

2019-10-13 21:20:58 UTC

Bosnia without the ethnic conflict I guess

2019-10-13 21:21:09 UTC

more like Serbia

2019-10-13 21:21:21 UTC

a vacant parking lot used by all the derelicts in the neighborhood

2019-10-13 21:22:00 UTC

honestly they've done a good job as far as governance

2019-10-13 21:22:20 UTC

they didn't fuck with Saakashvili's good reforms, aside from overhauling the healthcare system

2019-10-13 21:22:34 UTC

their main problem is the flight ban

2019-10-13 21:22:44 UTC

Why did it happen?

2019-10-13 21:23:19 UTC

the anti-government riots over the summer led Putin to ban flights as a security measure

2019-10-13 21:23:35 UTC

it's a way of forcing the Georgians to shit or get off the pot

2019-10-13 21:23:44 UTC

clearly declare their allegiance to Russia or the U.S.

2019-10-13 21:24:15 UTC

the government dithered as long as they could and then picked the U.S. in the most weaselly, noncommittal way possible

2019-10-13 21:24:18 UTC

pleasing no one

2019-10-13 21:25:04 UTC

Oh, so they half-assed the entire thing and lost on both sides

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