there's no excuse for being like that

they're like that because it's their nature

They literally had all their cultural artifacts destroyed

Medieval China was a superpower

And not just in terms of industry

you cant be "oh im utterly barbaric but it's ok there is turbulent politics in my countries recent history"

China has always been turbulent

an evil superpower

Remember when it broke up like 6 times

full of evil soulless bugmen

China has existed for 4000 years

yeah

Also the first dynasty was just 1 dude

that's a bad thing

Lol

It’s bound to have some revolutions

ok remove the word recent, it doesn't change what i said

the longer china exists, the worse

The same could be said about us

fuck your relativism

The USA is modern Rome

We’re literally measuring races against each other tho

And China is just China

yeah

We don’t have a perfect moral people to compare against

and the chinks are the worst race on the planet

we do

We’ve all done bad stuff

white people

Im forced to learn Chinese

The people who did ww1 and 2

Its actually the worst language

Ever

>war
>bad

We’re no example, were one of the most masochistic races out there

Id rather learn fucking vietnamese or something

At least vietnamese uses latin characters

@averagecarl that's retarded

🤔

Being self sacrificing to the point of voluntarily going extinct isn’t self sacrificing, it’s self hatred

>white people are TOO moral

When ur moral to the point of falling on your own sword

ever heard of this guy called jesus christ

oh sorry i dont torture dogs in the street im too nice for u i guess

That’s not morality, that’s self hatred

And he wasn’t human

self hatred is a good thing

it is a necessary prerequisite for morality

Self hatred is fine when it leads you towards improvement

Not when it makes you want to die

the consequences of morality do not affect its morality

morality with bad consequences is still good

When doing something causes something bad to happen I think it’s fair to look at the first thing

no

Y

I would rather live, personally

then you're a piece of shit

That’s ok

Doesn’t make it better that doing the right thing leads to death

Or suicide more accurately

the consequences are irrelevant

and we aren't going to die out

regardless

The consequences are why we don’t do things on gut instinct

we should

But if we have the ability to plan ahead and foresee consequences why shouldn’t we use it

No we won’t die

Well have ruined everything that was built for us, and be forced out of what was rightfully ours

because it is better to be a good dead man than an evil living one

If nothing else that explains why most people are evil

yeah

Being good to the point of death just gives evil people more room to grow

Which is itself morally wrong

no

So letting evil flourish isn’t wrong?

morality has nothing to do with the state of the world

it is purely internal and personal

thats why he asked you

lmao

being immoral because you've lied to yourself that 'it might be good somehow down the road somewhere' is morally wrong.

I’m not saying it will be good somewhere

there is no greater good

I’m saying it will assuredly be evil

If good people are ok with dying, and evil people aren’t, logic dictates that evil people will grow in number while good people decrease

Eventually leading to a world where everyone is evil

so?

Being content to let that happen doesn’t seem to be morally good

who cares how evil the world is

care how evil you are

tbf, there cant be a world where everyone is evil

e

the world doesn't matter

you do

Because the evil of others affects innocents

By enabling evil you permit suffering implicitly

so what

suffering doesn't matter

That is not good

your morality does

You can't control the evil of others, but you can control the evil of yourself.

The people who died were not morally good in the end

everything outside your body does not matter

Everything outside my body affects my body

no

yes lol

outside forces effect you

doesn't matter

???

then y did u take a stand on that point anyway if it doesnt matter

lmao

you can't affect outside forces so why bother

If nothing outside my body matters, surely the greatest good would be to preserve it

no

Why

Where does morality come from then

the only thing that matters is your moral choices

from within

What if I choose to be self serving

then you're scum

Why

I chose it from myself

And nothing outside me matters

you chose poorly

if nothing outside yourself matter then its only logical to be self serving

lmao

How can you assume to know what my moral choices come from

anything else is illogical

what you choose matters

But if it doesn’t concern others

I am the only one who matters

So I should value myself above all else

no

why

because that's not a moral choice

But you already said letting evil affect others is fine

how is it not moral

That implicitly says that other people don’t matter as much as you

you're stuck in this consequentialist viewpoint

choosing good over evil is what matters

Because the world is not an island chain of people. All things have consequences

so if im good and i choose myself over others, then how is that immoral

consequences don't matter

If good is derived from the self why can’t I choose my own good

How do I know what good or evil is

there is only one good

what is that

good

Is that good found out in the world?

no

define it

Where is it

Inside?

define this good

Because if it is, my inside says to live

it's ineffable

you know what it is

pretending you don't is lying

yes, and thats why what youre saying doesnt make sense

pretending it's something other than it is is lying

it doesn't have to make sense

then you have no point

lol

"YOU MUST ARGUE WITHIN MY CONSEQUENTIALIST LOGICAL FRAMEWORK OR YOU CANT ARGUE"

no

So, looking within myself

I found a will to live

if im good, and i choose myself, how is that immoral

tell me

Is that what good is?

because you aren't good

no

So should I not follow that will

yes

because it's a lie

im not saying u must argue within that framework

But if my inside is flawed and I don’t know the inflated

Unflawed

your inside isn't flawed

What do I do

im saying you need to make sense

you're lying about what your inside tells you

@meow i'm saying no, i don't.

ok then

But I’m not aware that I’m lying

yes you are

you literally have no argument

muh logic

If I’m lying but I don’t know it, and knowing good is dependent on knowing it, how can I be good

you do know it

But you just said I don’t know it

?

I thought I did know it

where did i say that

Looking inside, I’ve determined that my good is to live

You said that was wrong

But I don’t think I’m lying

How will I know if I’m lying

There is only one good

you know what it is

if you say it's something else, you're lying

>Looking inside, I’ve determined that my good is to live
No, you haven't.

you cant say that tho

I just did.

but it doesnt mean anything

If I look at my actions, I can determine that they have a drive to continue to exist behind them

@everyone

Surely what I devote all my hours to must be what I think is good

@averagecarl your actions are wrong then

Otherwise I wouldn’t do it

That is not sure at all

no

you can choose to do what you think is not good

most people do

What is not good

I do things that help me live

If doing something would kill me or hurt me I avoid doing it

Doing things with a mind for their consequences is not good

But usually my instinct and determination for consequences come to the same conclusion

Please stop @ everyone

No

Damn I wasn't expecting you to answer.

your instinct doesn't care about consequences

I can't call you a mother fucker

No it doesn’t

My instinct comes to one conclusion

And my determination with regard to consequences comes to anothwr

They are usually the same thing

No

They aren't

You are pretending your instinct agrees

so you can do what you choose to do

and not acknowledge that you are evil

I don’t think I’m pretending

you know

How can I know for sure I know

nonsense question

all knowledge is for sure

But if I think I know something

And I actually don’t something

you don't actually think it

How can I go to knowing it

you're lying

and you know you're lying

you just won't admit it to yourself or others

all truths are self evident

all truths are known intrinsically

to say otherwise is to lie